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Robert L. Borosage

Robert L. Borosage

Posted: August 10, 2010 10:34 AM

Gibbs on the Left: Dog Bites the Man

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White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs went off the other day on the "professional left" which is never satisfied. The White House apparently is miffed at the criticism they get from the left.

It's summer. It's hot. The president's poll numbers stink. The economy is going south. Tempers are short. But really. The left is pushing the president from the left? The horror. The shame.

Here are six reasons Gibbs' outburst doesn't make much sense, not counting the fact that it will generate hundreds of articles like this.

1. The left was right. The president is in trouble because his historic reforms were too timid, not too bold. The recovery plan wasn't big enough. The banks were rescued, but not reformed and no heads rolled. These two alone have been lethal to the economy, to working people, and not surprisingly to the president's popularity and Democratic prospects.

2. The left was wrong -- but not because it was too independent, but because it was too cooperative. Instead of building an independent populist movement with a moral voice driving opinion outside the beltway, much energy and resources were devoted to the legislative sausage making process, largely in support of the president's agenda. This White House would have been far better served with an independent movement, such as those FDR and LBJ suffered and benefited from. One result is that the ersatz tea party formations captured the voice of populist outrage.

3. The left isn't the problem -- the corporate wing of the party is. The left hasn't gotten in the president's way, for better or worse. It's the corporate right of the party -- the Blue Dogs and New Democrats -- that have stood in the way. They joined with Republicans to weaken the recovery plan. Max Baucus did the dance with so-called moderate Republicans like Charles "death panel" Grassley that ate up the first year in useless negotiations. Blue dogs largely sabotaged energy legislation. New Democrats weakened already inadequate financial reforms. And the deficit hawks now sabotage needed jobs programs in an economy in big trouble. The problem with the left is that it has been too weak, not too strong.

4. The left hasn't been a rebel; it's been too good a soldier. Amazing that the White House would be upset at carping from the beltway left which has embarrassed itself by its willingness to absorb insult and salute. Women rallied to support a health care bill that weakened choice. Progressives supported the bill despite the president's unwillingness to fight for a public option, the taxes on good (read union) health care plans, and the grotesque deal with drug companies to sustain the ban on Medicare getting bulk price discounts. Environmentalists went so far as to embrace off-shore drilling in the failed effort to get the energy bill. Black leaders like Al Sharpton argued against any targeted economic programs, even as the African American community was suffering depression levels of misery in the economic collapse. The anti-war movement gave the president a pass on Afghanistan. Gays have been remarkably patient at delay in repealing the indefensible don't ask, don't tell policy. Progressives pushed financial reform hard, even after the Treasury Department helped defeat amendments to break up the big banks and more.

5. The White House has been hurt less because the left is critical, but because the White House isn't listening. The left correctly understood the White House faced a pitched battle over the direction of the country, not a post-racial, pragmatic, bipartisan era of good feelings. The president's search for bipartisan cooperation compromised his greatest asset -- the bully pulpit. From day one, he should have been teaching Americans, over and over, how failed conservative ideas and policies had driven us over the cliff, just as FDR and Ronald Reagan had done from opposite ends of the political spectrum. The failure to do that has allowed conservatives to revive without changing a whit. Now, three months from the election, the president says he's ready to draw the contrast and start pushing, far too late.

6. Reality counts. Gibbs accuses the professional left of being congenitally dissatisfied. I should hope so. But the White House problem isn't temperament, it is reality.

This White House has passed historic initiatives -- the biggest recovery act ever, comprehensive health care reform, financial reform, equal pay reforms, the largest increase in poverty spending since the 60s, the greatest expansion of service programs since the Great Depression, and much more. The White House understandably wants credit. It had a check list; it made the compromises it needed to make; it moved the ball forward. Why the carping?

But reality counts. We're suffering mass unemployment. One in four homes with mortgages is underwater. Bankers were rescued, the debt increased, and politicians in both parties are starting to talk about cutting Social Security benefits. The war in Afghanistan is a mess. We can argue about whether the president fought hard enough, or compromised too soon -- but the reality is that the reforms, as bold as they were, are not sufficient to deal with the mess we are in.

Here the White House has been consistently off key. Last week at the AFLCIO executive council, the president delivered a powerful and rousing address that made his pitch for the election. At the core was a metaphor:

This election is a choice. You've got these folks who drove America's economy into a ditch, and for the last 20 months, we put on our boots and we got into the mud and we've been shoving that car out of the ditch inch by inch, and they've been standing on the side the whole time watching, telling us, no, you're not pushing hard enough, you're not doing it the right way -- not lifting a finger to help. And now we've finally got that car up on the blacktop there, about to drive, and they say they want the keys back. (Laughter.) Well, you can't have the keys, because you don't know how to drive. (Laughter.) You don't know how to drive. (Laughter.) You're not going to get the keys back. (Applause.) You're not going to get them back.

This is terrific stuff -- only the car is not "out of the ditch and on the road." We're still pushing our way out of the ditch. We've got a long way to go. We'll need new efforts to get there. There's a huge difference in presenting reforms as solutions, the right answers to hard problems -- and presenting reforms as steps in the right direction, with a long way to go. "Stay the course" limited Republican losses in the off year election of 1982 despite the deep recession, but Reagan had blamed liberalism from day one for what wrong, pounded on it, and kept selling his program not as a solution, but as building a new direction. Obama does this well when he does it, but not enough and not consistently

Finally, the good book says as ye sow so shall ye reap. We've got a huge enthusiasm gap going into this election. The rising Obama electorate -- young, single women, minorities -- is discouraged, disengaged and staying home in large numbers. The organized base of the party -- particularly unions -- is getting big-time pushback from discouraged members. Across the board, the "professional left" reports that resources are down for voter registration and mobilization. Get out of the beltway, Mr. Gibbs. Talk to some folks. You'll find the beltway carpers are the least of your problems.

 

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Balloonman
03:03 AM on 08/13/2010
" . . . and politicians in both parties are starting to talk about cutting Social Security benefits. "
Social Security has already been cut. Last year no increase due inflation index. Zero inflation. Zero increase Social Security. Treasury did give us $250 but it means next increase won't be building on increase. How many billions does that cut save government. Inflation statistics are figured in basics. Food. Clothing. Fuel. How about rent going up 3 percent. Cable hookup a buck here a buck there it seems every other month. Bus pass increased 9 times what it was. You name what increased money out of pocket for you more than last year. I read no increase in SS this year either. Two years in a row. Historical. Never before 2 years in a row. What's retirement age now? Older 62-65 eh? That's Social Security slash. What will it be in 2020. 67-70? Lucky to live so long working our tails off just for the fun of it. We be so screwed, not to mention tatooed, every whichaway. Reduce, privatize SS and send us to Wall Street for solid investment portfolio in . . . Cap and Trades. Or some exotic get drooling investor bubbles erupting. With obtuse, exotic sub-sub primes this and that insurance hedges on milked out dry empty margins underwritten in taxpayer bailout guarantees. We are so lucky increasingly protected, national security safe, economy static flush--yes a bit diminishing--but so entitlement secure Americans.
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cgin
10:51 PM on 08/11/2010
Is the White House suddenly suffering from some sort of schizophrenia? The President himself told us to make him do it; it being his enumerated, lofty promises. He challenged us not to relent, to keep the pressure on him. Furthermore, they better than anybody else ought to know that, unlike the Republicans, is not innate in us to blindly go along to get along. It's what makes us who we are and we ought to celebrate it, not try to disparage it.
Mr President you are not being served well, sir. Remember whose the one that has to be thankful. If your people would go after your real enemies with the same voracity as they go after your friends, your poll numbers would reflected it. Please, don't take your friends for granted.
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Peter Noble 2
07:53 PM on 08/11/2010
A great article/blog.
Amazingly many Democrats do not know how important Unions are in supplying envelope stuffers to phone bank advocates. Obama is making a BIG mistake allowing his crew to slander us all. We on the hard left also gave and gave both money and time to make sure he won. To not have one of our causes fought for or won is bad enough but to insulted? Enough is enough. If they think we have no one else to vote for: we can create our own party or just stay at home. This Dem Congress has not changed much at all and in most way promoted business worse than usual.

I am no longer a Democrat because the party is way too far past the Center Right and Rahm-Gibbs Slander only confirms my Leftist POV. Obama had better listen up: he needs us to win. The voters are fed up with Congress and there will be a reckoning. Sadly if we vote Democrat we have war and if we vote Republican we have war. Both support Oligarchs and make life wretched for the average American.
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
08:57 PM on 08/11/2010
Fanned again if I could. Your take on the party that many of us grew up with and revered is especially sad but true.

Keep an eye on the latest Repub mission. Our low birth rate is threating the balance of power and with it, their continued existence, one more reason to attack immigration and the Constitution. It has gotten really ugly out there.
09:49 PM on 08/11/2010
It's scary.
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Peter Noble 2
09:53 AM on 08/12/2010
Thanks for the double fan, you are fanned too, as I agree with your assessment. Though I would add with Obama the worst bigot is too often appeased. That is also my main problem with Congressional and Presidential Democrats they will not fight because they do not see the moral imperative to do so.

We need a new party. Better to fight the good fight and lose then fight and be betrayed over and over.
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10:29 PM on 08/11/2010
I think we are being set up to be the fall guy if the Democrats don't hold their lead in November
07:23 PM on 08/11/2010
As far as passing health care reform, I give more credit to Congresswoman Pelosi than I do to Obama and his White House. I changed my party affiliation a couple of years ago to Decline to State. I was a Democrat for almost 25 years before then and voted a straight Democratic ticket most of the time. I plan to vote mostly third party this time around even though I know my candidates have little to no chance of winning. At least I'm supporting the candidate whose views are more closely aligned to my own. I really have doubts that the Democrats and especially Obama will lead after 2012. (I donated to Obama's campaign -- the first time I ever donated to a presidential campaign.) I think they'll squeak by this fall, but after that, unless things actually CHANGE, Republicans will rule again. It's the sad reality, but I've reached the same point with this WH that I reached as soon as Bush became President i.e. I feel completely disenfranchised. I have a feeling there are many others out there like me.
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
08:59 PM on 08/11/2010
#3. Yes, there are.
09:50 PM on 08/11/2010
Yes and that's exactly what the Republicans want you to do - not vote. Don't fall for it. Vote.
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10:31 PM on 08/11/2010
yeah, vote for us, we're not as bad! we suck, just not quite as hard!
06:04 PM on 08/11/2010
The trouble with everything Mr Borosage said is that the majority of Americans do not support the left's agenda and the left is unable to compromise. It's as though they feel they won't get to go to socialist heaven if the yield an iota.
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08:24 PM on 08/11/2010
The left is not socialist. We care about people. Dick Cheney went in to get his heart checked, and they could not find one. Sure he is a Republican leader.
08:44 PM on 08/11/2010
Your desire to help people is misguided. It is usually people of good intentions who create the machinery of government that is used later by oppressors. You are also making the mistake of assuming that government can somehow know what is "best" for people.
08:43 PM on 08/11/2010
That's odd, because the public option had majority opinion behind, whereas the bill passed by Congress and signed by the President did not. It is sort of like those tea party people who screamed "keep your dirty government hands off my Medicare!" When you just describe these programs, the public is for them. When you name call them as "socialist" they get nervous, but you knew that.
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10:33 PM on 08/11/2010
he's just repeating rightist talking points, which bear no resemblance to reality. 68% of the American people wanted the health care reform; that percentage automatically includes a whole bunch of Repubs.
04:34 PM on 08/11/2010
Progressive theology = failure.....always has, always will
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
05:25 PM on 08/11/2010
BS.
06:21 PM on 08/11/2010
You've put your finger on the root of the problem. For the far left, politics is as theological and uncompromising as the far right - maybe more so. The two groups have managed to lock our nation into a debilitating paralysis that puts us all in jeopardy.
07:31 PM on 08/11/2010
Money in politics has locked "our nation into a debilitating paralysis" -- where one falls on the political spectrum matters less than who controls the money. Voices of reason are drowned out by money.
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
12:49 AM on 08/12/2010
Provide evidence for your claim about politics as theology. I know few on the left who are going on faith. It's pretty precarious to put oneself out there. You have to be on your guard and highly objective.
04:20 PM on 08/11/2010
I like your style, Mr Borosage, great article. I too, am appalled at the weakness being shown by the left. But I have to also say that I see so much corruption in US politics that even if the left were to march on Washington, raise our voices, be even more critical and outspoken, someone with more money will make that all null and void. Money speaks in Washington. And right now most of the money seems to be in the hands of all those corporations and individuals who want the status quo to stay the status quo. I don't mean to be defeatest and say nothing can be done about this. But I want the corruption to be addressed. Only then will our voices even have a chance of making changes happen.
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
05:26 PM on 08/11/2010
But that is being defeatist. Whom do you believe can address the corruption except a cleaner Congress? Sorry, it's a tough world, we don't get everything we want without throwing a tantrum now and then.
06:32 PM on 08/11/2010
You've misinterpreted events. The Left's problem is that it can't persuade the majority of Americans that it's got the right answers and, rather than consider that it may be wrong, it attributes its failures to conspiracies by corporations and the media.
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
12:47 AM on 08/12/2010
I think not. Objectively, one ideology has ready access to the media, another has not. Communications are not insignificant. The left's answers seldom reach the majority of Americans -- at least not in their original form -- so how can the left persuade the majority of the rightness of its answers. I think you have the horse before the cart. How many television stations, cable channels, and newpapers are owned by corporations with mostly conservative shareholders and managements? Now how many are owned by the left? It's not a conspiracy, it's systemic, right out there for all to see.
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ChiBloger
And the truth shall set us ALL free
03:51 PM on 08/11/2010
YOUR NOT HEARING WHAT I’M SAYING yells Gibs.
YOUR NOT HEARING WHAT I’M SAYING yells the professional left.
And they are both right. The difference being the people actually talk to the professional left on radio and e-mail and in person. Who’s more effective at getting their message out? My bet is the professional left. Who is the most ignored by the Whitehouse? Once again, it’s the professional left.
Now here an idea? Why don’t the Whitehouse listen and use the professional left to get their word out more personally?
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10:35 PM on 08/11/2010
this WH crew is god's gift to the banksters
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jdanenbe
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02:20 AM on 08/16/2010
No Bush and his TARP bailout was God's gift to the Banksters!
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
12:43 PM on 08/11/2010
It's a well-known axiom in the advertising profession that the quickest way to fail in the market, of ideas as well as things, is to advertise really well a really bad product. Perhaps that's Gibbs' problem. He hasn't much positive to speak for, so he unloads on the audience like the failed comic that he comes across as.

Gibbs isn't the only commentator to slap down members of his audience in an abusive way. Even "objective" reporters like Anderson Cooper typically recoil at right-wing excesses like the Breitbart scandal, but then eviscerate their outrage by saying, "...But the left does it too." Of course, they have no evidence that "the left does it too" nor would it matter if it did, since the mainstream press will go to any length to marginalize left thinking in America.

Gibbs seemed a reasonably nice guy and a good replacement for the dull-as-wallpaper hacks who were Bush's spokespersons, men and women alike. Kind of downhome and cheery, "Aw, shucks!"

Then the news started getting grim. Rahm re-mechanized the White House and the President revealed himself to be a hawk, a champion of the big banks, weak on environmental issues, a pretender on education and healthcare.

Now Gibbs comes across as miscast, a snarky commentator on a collapsing Administration in a nation facing a load of crises and seemingly incapable of surmounting any of them. How will he introduce the Palin Administration -- by blaming the left?
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
01:16 PM on 08/11/2010
As office manager Joan on Mad Men rejoinds the secretary who blames a delivery mixup on a vendor,
“Everyone makes mistakes, but the fact that you are the kind of person that cannot accept blame is egregious."
04:38 PM on 08/11/2010
Excellent analysis, Bob. F and F'd.

There was a time when I believed that Gibbs would be the antithesis to the smarmy, sycophantic posing foisted on MSM by Fleischer, Snow and Perino. And, perhaps, at one time he was. But, he's been inside the Beltway for nearly two years and his work as a mouthpiece has hardly been exemplary...but maybe that's more the product of Emanuel or even Obama.

This administration is making a huge mistake in assuming that the base of the party - progressives, NOT Blue Dog centrist Dems - will continue to support an agenda that seems to serve the middle-right rather than the center, much less the left. Unless Obama makes it clear that HCR will be REVISITED; that further regulatory controls will be given to the SEC, FEC, EPA and OSHA; that funding to DOD will be cut, at least, in half, with the return of 95% of ALL American troops abroad; and that current trade agreements will be revised or rescinded, with fair market tariffs put into place...he will lose more of the base.

Why should we support a less than progressively dedicated White House simply because a Democrat occupies it?
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
09:13 PM on 08/11/2010
Nice job yourself, Hallucinocynic. F&F.

One question that keeps coming up, do we have a Democrat in occupancy?
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lstl4
12:23 PM on 08/11/2010
We are all so quick to criticize, and that includes me, but I know one thing. Pres Obama is a whole lot smarter than me and most people out there. He has a plan and he can only do what Congress lets him. Just wait, we will end up with a public option, when all is said and done. He still passed the health care bill and now amendments can be made. It will happen because the insurance companies will get so greedy that the Congress will have to step in and stop them. He really does care about the middle class and I really think things will get better from here, but it will be a slow process and we have to be patient, and we have to stick by him. Progressives, please dont give up on him, and vote democrat in every election!!!!!!!!!
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
12:44 PM on 08/11/2010
No, you are wrong. He is a pretender.
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Arrech
NY, NY
01:46 PM on 08/11/2010
Maybe you are wrong.

In any case, we are voting Democrat.
09:57 PM on 08/11/2010
I don't think the President is a pretender. I believe that he is trying very hard. It isn't easy. Things are in a mess. We know who caused the mess and it takes time to stop it and go on. So many of you wanted instant results from the President. I really believe that some of you thought that the day he went into office, everything would change. God help our country that our people are so dumb.
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
01:55 PM on 08/11/2010
Wake up, Istl4. Waiting for that magic moment for the shining knight to come is not reality.

The long awaited and over-promised health care bill was not even on a level field, it awarded insurance companies with forced membership and little incentive to control costs. If we had any hope of a better bill in the future, we would not have given up so much ground in the beginning.
04:36 PM on 08/11/2010
check the actuary states....Obamacare is a complete failure
12:08 PM on 08/11/2010
I agree with the author and with Henryle74 although I truly don't know who the "old Obama" really was. I call myself a "liberal Democrat" with the hope that it means something to others than myself. I have been a "working girl" Democrat who has lived in communities as diverse as Los Angeles and Helena, Montana: Oneonta, NY and Brooklyn, NYC. I do subscribe to the belief system of those whom Mr. Gibbs derides, however, and those ideas have evolved by means of my own experiences and the brain power to interpret them. I am afraid Pres. Obama and his out-of-touch advisors need to get out again on the campaign trail and listen to the audience rather than preach what focus groups recommended. Again, I wonder who the "old Obama" really was.
11:53 AM on 08/11/2010
I said on another thread but I have to say on this one too...

...as an Independent...

watching Gibbs and Obama duke it out with Olbermann and the "Professional Left"...

is like...

...watching an episode of "I LOVE LUCY"...

...where Lucy and Ricky get into a fight with Ethel and Fred.
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05:09 PM on 08/11/2010
I don't remember Lucy & Rickie's policies affecting thousands of prematurely dead people.
11:52 AM on 08/11/2010
"Black leaders like Al Sharpton argued against any targeted economic programs, even as the African American community was suffering depression levels of misery in the economic collapse." This is so true. Those leaders have been co-opted by V Jarret and others in the WH who have been selling them a bill of good and the refrain that they should give Obama some slack because of his race. Those "so-called" leaders have given BO a pass on everything and anything he does not do for that segment of society, on the account of trickle down economic benefits, a theory that has always wrong before. Other LGBT and Hispanic constituencies have been more forceful at fighting for their own interests.
11:36 AM on 08/11/2010
Gibbs is just great. Keep him where he's at, Barack. For in fact, he's the gift to the GOP that keeps on giving. As the administration's face to the press world, he represents well his stumbling, fumbling White House and its constant obfuscation of motives and its arrogance that is just beyond belief.
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PartOfTheSolution
corruption rules
03:31 PM on 08/11/2010
Yeah, "President McCain" would be doing a much better job cleaning up the Bush/Cheney stinkpile.
04:39 PM on 08/11/2010
I did not like him either...our choices sucked
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Hobay
Refuse addictive oxycodone pain meds
04:21 PM on 08/11/2010
Please provide examples of stumbling and fumbling. Then provide examples of obfuscation. These are strong charges.
11:24 AM on 08/11/2010
The split between Obama and the left is due to the fact that the President is constrained by reality, and the ideological left isn't.

Everyone who wanted a stronger health care bill has to explain how you would get Lieberman to vote for it when he is owned by the insurance companies.

How?

And those who want him to pull all of our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq have to consider the mess that would be left behind by a hasty withdrawal. President Obama is doing his best to make a terrible situation at least a little bit better.

And, as president of the United States, you cannot simply dictate what you want. You need to get the cooperation of congress to get anything done. And that is going to mean compromise.

If any of you think that someone who was more aggressive could've gotten more done, you're living in a fantasy world. Get too aggressive and you burn all of your bridges.

Consider this: Barack Obama got health care passed; Bill and Hillary Clinton didn't. Barack Obama succeeded; the Clintons failed.

That should tell you all you need to know.
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Robert L. Borosage
Director Campaign for America's Future
12:08 PM on 08/11/2010
I don't accept the premise of this, many other comments and that of Robert Gibbs. It is possible to push hard for bolder efforts, to be critical of pre-emptive compromises, to warn of profound policy mistakes -- and still support the Prez, understand the obstacles he faces, accept the complexity of politics, and understand the importance of mobilizing folks to keep control of House and Senate this fall. Many progressives are in this position -- which strikes me as the right one. We push hard for bolder, needed change. We challenge those in both parties standing in the way. We don't discard our beliefs to partisan obedience -- and we mobilize against the right in the election season.

We, for example, pushed hard for health care reform. We didn't like the strategy, which wasted a year. We didn't like the deals, and thought clarity about drug companies and insurance companies would have been better. But we were impressed when Pelosi insisted that this get done, and worked hard to support the effort to get it done. It will extend health care to millions. It will also need signficiant changes if we are to get to an affordable, sensbile health care system. As I said in my article, it isn't an answer -- it is a step. And painting it as the answer only undermines credibility.
04:11 PM on 08/11/2010
Your attitude is commendable. I'm talking more about people like Bob Jacobson and maserati2 (just below).

This kind of attitude is unrealistic, and unproductive. His kind of attitude is going to allow Republicans to take power again.

And the Huffington Post seems to be all too willing to encourage this kind of attitude.
04:40 PM on 08/11/2010
If yo are impressed with pelosi....this country really is on the way down
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BobJacobson
"The Future: Live it, or live with it." - Firesign
12:49 PM on 08/11/2010
I find this sniveling attitude repulsive. It is the victim thanking his attacker for one more kick in the ass, the worker thanking the employer for doing so little for workplace safety and good wages, the poor child loving his abusive parent. A President runs the show. He is the single most powerful person in the political sphere and just possibly the entire state (public and private). If a President wants to, he (or in the future, she) can command the bully pulpit. Obama was a special case, expected to be different, elected to fight for serious change (not just meaningless "reforms"), even a black American's way of thinking. He encouraged these high hopes and expectations. His failure is his own, only -- oh yes, and those in the Democratic Meaningless Middle who didn't get off their butts to take a part in the national debates. To blame the left is ludicrous.
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
02:00 PM on 08/11/2010
More posts like this one please. It is a pleasure to fan another Progressive.
08:16 PM on 08/11/2010
No one can "lead" the majority to a place it doesn't want to go. Only oppression can do that. You sound like you're not far from that frame of mind.