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The Adult Conversation About Nuclear Power Needs to Start

Posted: 03/16/11 03:31 PM ET

The earthquake and resulting tsunami in Japan shocked us this weekend as we watched with horrified fascination as walls of water destroyed thousands of homes and killed countless people.  In a country that experiences dozens of earthquakes a year, this particular disaster was beyond any scale ever contemplated by the compulsively disciplined and always prepared Japanese people, but they never lost their stoic presence and seemingly unlimited patience even as their well ordered lives and basic services disappeared before their eyes. 

That stoicism, though, has begun to fade as the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi plant continues for a a sixth day.  Evacuations of the area around the plant have now spread to 20 kilometers with warnings out to 30 kilometers.  As the reality of the unfolding disaster became apparent, many people fled as far as Tokyo to escape the still developing crisis.  Panic began to creep into Tokyo, 150 miles south of the stricken plant, as increased radiation levels were detected yesterday.  Flights out of Japan are now jammed as people have begun to flee the country over radiation fears and collapsing infrastructure.  It's the doomsday scenario many have feared for ages.

There's nothing like a natural disaster such as an earthquake or hurricane to make us realize that we really aren't in control of our own personal destiny.  These events also cause us to reflect on how our own decisions as a society may actually exacerbate the long term effects of a disaster (such as building a city below sea level, then not properly protecting it against storm surges).  In the case of this particular disaster, serious reflection has begun as questions are once again being raised about the wisdom of the use of nuclear power to generate base load electricity in many countries around the world, especially those in quake zones.  It's now all over the media; some dismiss the concerns as hyperbole and others cry that it's the end of the world; however, many serious people are having that tough discussion about how we fuel our energy future if we don't use nuclear power.

Here's our particular problem:  The United States, through weak leadership, short sightedness caused by our 2 year re-election cycle and the influence of corporate money, has utterly failed to establish a long term vision for our energy future.  Band aid solutions, special interest legislation, and poor judgment have taken us into the 21st century with 60 to 100 year old technology and energy sources, and no one has the courage to call this insanity, well, insanity.  The result is predictable, clearly demonstrating that our dependence on foreign oil from countries who hate us is suicidal.  The ongoing unrest in Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, and even Saudi Arabia has highlighted this risk.  Our dependence on oil has driven us into the deepwater of the Gulf of Mexico and into the Arctic to feed our gluttony. 

At the same time, de-regulation and industry complacency led to the inevitable result of the blowout of the BP Macondo well and the ongoing environmental catastrophe that the media and politicians are happy to ignore.  Speaking of ignorance, we are also willfully oblivious to the very obvious signs of limited worldwide oil reserves as well as the damage that we are doing to our own environment by our huge carbon footprint.  Elected representatives, looking for cheap political points, give lip service to climate change, renewables, conservation, and sustainable energy sources while taking money from oil companies and actually doing nothing, except for allowing the same old policies that got us here in the first place to continue.

Which brings us to nuclear power.  This is really the only non-carbon energy source that has any hope of stemming the tide of oil and coal consumption.  But it has its obvious inherent dangers.  Why does Japan use nuclear power?  The answer is simple: they have to.  Japan has no significant sources of hydrocarbon energy, so must use nuclear to avoid dependence on other countries for oil, gas, or coal.  However, the problem is that the whole damn country is an earthquake zone, not the best environment for a technology that doesn't react well (no pun intended) when it's shaken around a bit and flooded with seawater.  These same issues are faced by many nuclear powered countries, including us.

So what do we do?  This is where being an adult comes into play.  As adults, we need to consider that our world has limited resources, limited atmosphere, and limited space.  And it's getting more crowded and dirty.  Hydrocarbons simply can't fill all of our energy need.  Renewables can't fill enough of our energy need.  Natural gas, which is becoming more abundant, has become a great answer for a lot of our needs, but for the long run we still need non-carbon based energy to make our hydrocarbon resources last longer and be more environment friendly.   Nuclear fills that place, but clearly we're not to the point where it is fool-proof safe.  It's time that we all assess our own personal uses of carbon based fuels, and pressure our elected representatives to do something besides bashing the other side to get re-elected.  It's also time that we demand they they also act like adults and responsibly address the issues around nuclear power design, construction, and operation, as well as the safety of that and other energy technologies.

Call your Congressperson, your Senator, your Governor, and your mayor.  Tell them you want a comprehensive energy policy that's neither Drill, Baby, Drill, or sticking their heads in the sand.  Only when pressure from the People is unrelenting will they perhaps get off their collective backside do something courageous.  They won't do it by themselves.

Bob Cavnar, a 30-year veteran of the oil and gas industry, is the author of Disaster on the Horizon: High Stakes, High Risks, and the Story Behind the Deepwater Well Blowout. He is CEO of Luca Technologies.

 

 
 
 

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05:42 PM on 03/21/2011
Thank you, Robert, for an adult-oriented article.

I've posted these links elsewhere on Huff Post, and I'll keep posting them ad nauseum:

Generation IV nuclear technology­ solves all the major concerns of current reactors: safety, waste and proliferat­ion. Already tested under real-world conditions, this design has inherent safety passive safety systems, that work according to the laws of physics -- not an operator's competency. Read Tom Blees' book, "Prescript­ion for the Planet" at http://www.prescriptionfortheplanet.com/ to learn about "Integral Fast Reactors." More info at Science Council for Global Initiative­s http://www.thesciencecouncil.com/ an independent non-profit formed by scientists -- not paid for by the nuclear energy industry.

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Keep an open mind, think critically.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
01:48 AM on 03/21/2011
No adult or honest conversation will include Robert L Cavnar.

Cavnar:
"Which brings us to nuclear power. This is really the only non-carbon energy source that has any hope of stemming the tide of oil and coal consumption."

That is a lie.

This is the truth.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/better-wind-resource-maps/
Current wind technology deployed in nonenvironmentally protected areas could generate 37,000,000 gigawatt-hours of electricity per year, according to the new analysis conducted by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory and consulting firm AWS Truewind. The last comprehensive estimate came out in 1993, when Pacific Northwest National Laboratory pegged the wind energy potential of the United States at 10,777,000 gigawatt-hours.
Both numbers are greater than the 3,000,000 gigawatt-hours of electricity currently consumed by Americans each year. Wind turbines generated just 52,000 gigawatt-hours in 2008, the last year for which annual statistics are available.

That means we have 12 times as much electrical power available, from wind alone, than we currently use from all sources. And before anybody even tries that old "baseload" canard, Archer & Jacobson have proven that by linking geographically separated wind farms, no less than 20% of peak capacity is delivered as baseload.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/winds/aj07_jam.pdf

12 * 20% = 240%

These are well-known results to energy pundits, and not disputable. The corporate media just doesn't broadcast anybody but corporate too1s, like Cavnar.
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10:35 PM on 03/20/2011
How about we put it up to a vote? I doubt that many voters trust the government and private industry to run a nuclear reactor safely.

We are still suffering the consequences of being lied into a war, and we are supposed to trust politicians with nuclear energy?
09:16 AM on 03/20/2011
Zero Point Energy. That's what's needed. It's everywhere. Research.
11:42 PM on 03/19/2011
First sane comment I've seen yet. And people, when you act like adults, you can be talked to like adults. Living in an all electric home or using air conditioning at all or eating eggs from chickens "tricked" into laying in mid winter by overhead lights or eating processed food which is all processed with heavy duty electric equipment totally disqualifies you from any statement of "we should cut power use" as an adult. YOU are the problem then, and saying "I'm not the problem, I use screw in fluorscent bulbs" just proves you are a baby who wants to eat the cake and have it left for tomorrow as well. ADULTS realize there are no perfect solutions, BABIES cry and make messes and leave it to someone else to fix their problems.

Oh, to the individual who seems to think "uranium mining uses fuel and that makes CO2" somehow makes a point about something - sir you need to grow some sense. Uranium mining and processing gives the highest return per ton processed for energy consumption vs energy return for any industrial process in use in modern times. The notion that we should only use processes that do not consume fuel is simply impossible in this universe.
06:43 PM on 03/19/2011
“Uranium mining is among the most carbon-dioxide-intensive operations in the world.”
http://www.nunnglow.com/uranium-mining/open-pit-mining.html
05:11 AM on 03/19/2011
Individual self-suffi­ciency should be emphasized more.

The Swedish Energy Ball can be installed on private homes for wind powered energy: http://www­.jetsongre­en.com/200­8/09/swedi­sh-energy.­html
10:08 PM on 03/18/2011
I know that many well-meaning people would like to believe that nuclear power is a silver bullet that will halt global climate change, but it just is not the case. Nuclear power is uneconomical and cannot be financed in the private market. That is why only countries that are willing to put up massive state subsidies are going nuclear - and, with the exception of China (who is now having second thoughts) they are moving very slowly.

Bush and Obama have been promoting nuclear power and have yet to break ground on one plant in the ten years since the supposed "nuclear renaissance" began. The cost of new nuclear is not competitive with wind or even solar at today's prices. Wasting money on nuclear power is taking money away that could be used for (much cheaper) energy efficiency or cheaper, truly green, power like wind and solar that we need to avoid generating greenhouse gases.
10:58 PM on 03/19/2011
I agree. The financial risks are far to great. Even the government may not be able to afford the consequences of a major accident. Along with the risk to humans as we are seeing in Japan the food supply maybe in danger. Diablo Canyon is spitten' distance from some of the most bountiful ag land in the USA. A loss of that land would impact everyone ability to enjoy fresh fruits, veggie and nuts.

What we need to do immediately is redirect all the oil and nuke subsidies to clean technologies. I have great confidence in the American people being able to refine and deploy much better solutions. When we needed jets and rockets, we figured it out and look at us now. Clean Energy should have the same kind of support.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
10:50 AM on 03/21/2011
Great comment! "Clean Energy should have the same kind of support." I just have an observation about "being able to refine and deploy much better solutions." If the government would support deployment of the technologies that already exist, then increased profits would naturally go into development of even better versions, just because manufacturers would want to compete even more for the greater revenues.

A lot of dirty energy proponents pretend to support clean energy while actually opposing it, by claiming that clean energy isn't ready to deploy, and only will be with much greater investment into research. It's bogus. The way to get more powerful clean energy is to buy the clean energy that's on the market, to "signal" to manufacturers that they should build more, and that there is a market they should compete for.
11:01 AM on 03/18/2011
I have to agree with this synopsis. I have long been a believer in nuclear power. It does have problems that need to be resolved better such as what we are seeing in Japan and previously at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. However to simply kill it now as so many would do is totally unrealistic. Where these plants are located and the safety and backup systems need to be carefully studied and corrected during design and construction. How to safely store the spent fuel does too. But as stated, we have the politicians just playing a game with it and no realistic long term energy policy in this country. Solar and wind can play a significant role but technologically cannot provide a baseload. Oil and gas are where we are primarily and they pollute as well as have a limited supply. It's easy for those of us here now to live with them but if we care at all for our progeny and future generations we need to seriously take on the long term energy question. But the more I see what happens the less inclined to think we will truly attack and resolve this issue anytime soon.
04:55 AM on 03/18/2011
There is no magic energy source anywere in the world to tell my congressman about .
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silverwolf13
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08:51 PM on 03/17/2011
Note: when someone talks about having an adult conversation, it usually means that he thinks he's the daddy and you're the children.

But to the specifics about nuclear power. I do note that it is relatively safe, especially when compared with fossil fuels. But it ain't gonna happen. People were leery about having nuclear plants nearby before the latest earthquake, and before the articles noting the number of US nuclear plants that are in fault zones. Argue all you want, there won't be any new plants approved in this country for at least 5 years. If there's one more accident, Fuhgedaboudit!

But even with a normal permitting process, we could get tens of gigawatts of wind farms approved and installed for every gigawatt of nuclear power. Then, if we copy the German incentive system of having the utilities pay for user-supplied kilowatts, we could have solar panels on tens of millions of roofs. Not to mention the work on tidal energy.

Seems to me that the adult thing to do would be not to go with outmoded technology, like fossil fuel and nuclear, but to go with the wind and the sun and the water.
01:26 AM on 03/18/2011
Wind and solar energy are not good at providing baseload power because they operate haphazardly. Baseload power requires a source that can be turned on and off on command. You cannot do that with wind and solar. You can with hydro, but all of the best hydro sources in the country have already been tapped. The only viable sources for baseload are coal, oil, gas, and nuclear. Pick your poison
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silverwolf13
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02:52 PM on 03/18/2011
Electricity demand peaks on hot days, when the sun is shining. The wind is always blowing somewhere, so we need an electrical grid capable of directing the power to where it's needed. See Lester Brown, "Earth 2.0."
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
01:45 AM on 03/22/2011
Where do you get your information about baseload power requirements?
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
10:14 AM on 03/18/2011
They always want to have an 'adult' conversation when they are trying to sell you on something that is not in your best interest...no...as you pointed out, there are alternatives.
06:35 PM on 03/17/2011
Too much adult conversation is part of the problem. Especially as adults in the US are driven by ideology. It might be better to look at the younger generation in this country as the adults are not interested in the future per say but only their individual futures. They made this world based on an ideology that the market will solve problems as needed. It turned that markets don't solve problems and that for many parts of our society there is no market. I agree we need a plan. I don't think the adults are the one to make the plan.
06:08 PM on 03/17/2011
I think this was a balanced and realistic opinion. It acknowledges the true state of technology and our energy needs without downplaying the dangers or problems with nuclear power.
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marignymitch
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04:02 PM on 03/17/2011
Thanks, Mr Cavnar, but where will be find adults?
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
01:03 PM on 03/17/2011
No we don't have to...this is a akin to putting a dangerous additive in Gasoline...like MBT...making it law so we could increase gas mileage-this happened in Pennsylvania...only trouble was it poisoned the groundwater in many parts of Pennsylvania...Nuclear energy is the easy way out...it is an old technology and the negatives outweigh the positives...we should invest in solar, wind and fuel cells...no more nuclear energy period.
06:00 PM on 03/17/2011
Your confidence in solar, wind, and (hydrogen?) fuel cells is misplaced. None of them has an hope of replacing our energy demands anywhere in the near future. Perhaps in time, but at the current state of the art, they simply can't.
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Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:47 PM on 03/17/2011
Material handling equipment (forklifts) at the Balzac Perishable Distribution Centre (PDC)
will be powered by hydrogen fuel cells. Walmart Canada sees using hydrogen fuel cells as
an emerging alternative to using lead acid batteries as a power source for material handling
equipment, particularly at high-throughput distribution centres.