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After OBL: McGovern/Jones Push for Real Withdrawal Plan

Posted: 05/06/11 10:10 PM ET

Following the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, the floodgates opened in Washington this week for reconsideration of U.S. plans to continue the open-ended war in Afghanistan.

Now Representatives Jim McGovern and Walter Jones have introduced the "Afghanistan Exit and Accountability Act," bipartisan legislation that would require the president present to Congress a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and a clear end date for the war. It would require the president to submit quarterly reports to Congress on the progress of troop withdrawal, as well as the human and financial costs of continuing the war. The president would also have to report how much money U.S. taxpayers would save if the war were brought to an end in six months, instead of five, ten, or twenty years.

Other members of Congress have spoken out this week against indefinite continuation of the war, including Senators Dick Durbin , Richard Lugar, and Robert Menendez; (jointly) Representatives Lee, Ellison, Grijalva, Woolsey, and Waters; Representative Barney Frank; and Representative Cliff Stearns.

But among all this, the intervention of McGovern and Jones is unique in that it carries with it the prospect of a roll call, in which every member of the House will have to choose a side: open-ended war in Afghanistan, or a clear plan for military withdrawal?

The FY 2012 defense authorizations bill is expected to come before the House in late May or June. It is expected that Reps. McGovern and Jones will then offer their bill as amendment.

Introducing the bill now gives Americans the opportunity to talk to their representatives about this legislation, and to ask them to co-sponsor it.

In a sense, when you are asking your representative to co-sponsor the bill, you are asking them to vote for the amendment. But few people know much in advance exactly when legislation is going to be on the floor; often, many interested people find out that an amendment is going to be voted on less than 24 hours before the actual vote takes place. That's not much time to have a meaningful interaction with your representative, given that for most people most of the time, interacting with your representative means interacting with a staff person, who then talks to the representative. You want to allow some time for those conversations, and meaningful consideration, to take place. That's why you want to have a conversation with your representative's office now, asking them to co-sponsor the bill, rather than waiting for the amendment. Also, getting co-sponsors on the bill allows you to build momentum; it allows members of Congress to see what other members of Congress are doing, something that they take into account when they decide their position. If you can say, this bill has 100 co-sponsors, that's going to help you move people who are on the fence.

The current high-water mark in the House for requiring a real timetable for withdrawal is the 162 members who voted on July 1 last year for the McGovern amendment requiring a timetable for withdrawal.

Much has changed since then.

The president put forward 2014 as a date when a "transition to Afghan lead" -- not necessarily a withdrawal of U.S. forces -- would take place. Public opinion has further soured on the war, including Republican opinion: before Sunday's news, two-thirds of voters said the war was not worth it, including nearly half of Republicans and the majority of independents, and three-quarters of voters wanted to see a substantial withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from Afghanistan this summer, including the majority of Republicans and independents.

And then came Sunday's news.

Senator Durbin said this week he voted for the 2001 resolution authorizing the war "to go after" al Qaeda and bin Laden:

"Now here we are, 10 years later," Durbin said. "If you asked me if I was signing up for the longest war in U.S. history, with no end in sight, even with the killing of Osama bin Laden, that was not the bargain, that is not what I was signing up for."

Durbin asked:

"If you believe that resolution of this conflict by military means is highly unlikely and not a realistic basis for US policy, how can we send one more American soldier to fight and die in Afghanistan?"

Another significant change is that debate among Republicans about the war is getting more prominent with the start of the Republican presidential primary campaign. Two of the candidates -- Gary Johnson and Ron Paul -- want to end the war. When the question came up in last night's Republican debate, the Republican audience cheered when Gary Johnson and Ron Paul said that they wanted to end the war

If you look at that roll call from last July, a fact that immediately jumps out at you is that of those 162 who voted for the McGovern amendment, 153 of them were Democrats and 9 of them were Republicans. Pushing members now to co-sponsor the McGovern bill is an opportunity to test movement in the House in the last year, especially among Republicans, since public opinion, especially Republican public opinion, soured on the war and since Osama bin Laden -- for many Americans, the target of the war -- has been removed from the scene.

Pressure for a real withdrawal timetable could help end the war much sooner, because while on the one hand the administration now says it is "seeking to use the killing of Osama bin Laden to accelerate a negotiated settlement with the Taliban and hasten the end of the Afghanistan war," on the other hand, the Administration is pressing the government of Afghanistan for a "Permanent Bases Agreement" that would keep U.S. troops and bases in Afghanistan past 2014. The problem with that demand -- in addition to the fact that it keeps U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan much longer than they need to be -- is that the demand for an indefinite U.S. military presence in Afghanistan is likely to sabotage the peace talks in Afghanistan necessary to end the war.

So, if you don't want to see the indefinite continuation of war in Afghanistan, you know what to do. You can write to your representative here. Or you can call your representative via the Capitol Switchboard, 202-225-3121. Ask your Representative to stand up for a real exit plan that has an end date, to start an irreversible process of bringing our troops home.

 

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Following the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, the floodgates opened in Washington this week for reconsideration of U.S. plans to continue the open-ended war in Afghanistan. Now Representativ...
Following the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, the floodgates opened in Washington this week for reconsideration of U.S. plans to continue the open-ended war in Afghanistan. Now Representativ...
 
 
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:22 AM on 05/09/2011
But - but - but our government may decide to leave it up to the Afghan government as to whether our troops stay or leave. After all, we are waiting to see if the Iraqi government "requests" that our troops stay or leave!

And here I thought we were a sovereign country and made our own decisions - silly me.
08:26 AM on 05/09/2011
What authorization is there for our presence in Afghanistan?

I thought that authorization came through an act of Congress?

Exactly that did that authorization authorize?

Have we now completed that authorization, or was it really an open-ended authorization to go overseas with a huge military force and occupy an unoccupiable country indefinitely, until we win the hearts and minds of it citizens by not providing much security, and sporadically bombing innocent civilians, when we go about killing people we don't like?

Explain how that makes sense?

And if that is NOT what we are really doing, then what ARE we doing there? What is the goal of that activity? When will the job be complete - at least a rough timeframe?
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innerpuppie
The truth is an absolute defense...
12:10 AM on 05/08/2011
They don't want us there. Their government is corrupt. We would save over 100 billion dollars a year. We would save the lives of our young military who are dying on sandy soil where they are not wanted. Any country that looks like Jesus could walk around the corner and his clothing not be noticed as different gives me the creeps. IT'S TIME TO GET OUT!
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DungBeetle
Rolling Neocons Into A Ball
10:46 PM on 05/07/2011
Push it...push it real good.
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
06:44 PM on 05/07/2011
If the war is judged based on our success in rebuilding the country, there's no compelling reason to stay. If we judge the conflict on humanitarian or legal grounds, there's no justification for it. If the war is judged based on who we're supporting in Afghan politics, there's no reason to stay.

The U.S. has a habit of pulling out of disastrous wars when an opportunity to claim plausible victory arose. Why not use OBL's death to do just that?
08:33 AM on 05/09/2011
Yes. Poop or get off the pot.

What we are doing there is ridiculous.

Either:
1) We don't know what works, so we are floundering. Frankly, it sounds as if this is the most likely reality. If so, what does staying there do that is beneficial for anybody but defense contractors? As best I can tell, everybody else (except the corrupt Afghan government AND THE TALIBAN) loses?

2) We do know what we are doing, but it will take a lot more effort/money/time than we are willing to put into it. It may be that we are doing just the right thing, but because we can't afford to keep a million man occupation army in place to pacify the country, while we rebuild it, we can't maintain security, so we can't rebuild. If that is the case, then staying there with what we have cannot work. So, why stay?

3) We do know what we are doing and everything is going just great. Do YOU believe this???
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DustyMills
A liberal tree-hugging Oregonian...
06:44 PM on 05/07/2011
What better reason to end the wars than the death of Bin Laden......and the only way to accomplish this is for the US population to demand, loudly and clearly, to our respective Congressional members, that we must move on from warfare.....How can this country progress and regain our economy with the burden of billions of dollars a week in military costs for Afghanistan & Iraq?
05:08 PM on 05/07/2011
The US verly likely could have achieved the expulsion of al-Qaeda from Afghanistan without an invasion.

Pressured by the Republicans, Obama trebled the number of US troops in Afghanistan, spent hundreds of billions of dollars, and accomplished nothing.
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Shebagirl
Be a superdog - protect an underdog!
04:10 PM on 05/07/2011
"Permanent Bases Agreement"?? Just like they tried in Iraq a couple of months ago. What is the real reason for these invasions and wars? Has nothing to do with terrorism or we wouldn't be trying to stay in countries and build bases where the people don't want us now, never have and never will.
05:08 PM on 05/07/2011
Shebagirl,

Yes, let's have no permanent US bases in Afghanistan.
10:15 AM on 06/17/2011
It smacks of conquest, for sure, but it's not uncommon. We did this same thing with Japan and Germany. For the Military, it's easier to stage operations and protect territory when you're forward deployed. If this country agrees to it (and it does require their agreement), it's more of a demonstration of friendship and close ties than it is of conquest.
But it's also another facility/expense....
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Nomccain
04:07 PM on 05/07/2011
The American people are about to discover just WHY we really are in Afghanistan and in Iraq. It's not about terrorism or democracy. It's about protecting the major corporation's foreign interests and oil. They're greasing the wheels of industry with the blood or our men and women and selling the bill of goods that "it's patriotic and it's about freedom and our safety." They've done this for a long time now. I agree that it's time to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and begin more rapid troop withdrawals from Iraq. Our economy cannot take any more of this "empire building" and "being the policeman of the world." Now, somebody needs to tell that to the military industrial complex, the contractors, the businesses and their lobbyists. If Obama doesn't withdraw, the Republicans are goi ng to use this as a means to win the next election just like Nixon did. They'll promise anything to get back in control of everything so look out.
05:09 PM on 05/07/2011
Nomccain - - Why is the US taxpayer spending tens of billions of dollars to protect Chinese investments in Afghanistan?
02:32 PM on 05/07/2011
Afganistan had no governmental structure until the Bush regime set up Karzai and had a vote. Viola! Democracy. Afganistan is a tribal nation and it is not the business of the U.S. to form it into a structured one. The nation's attitude toward girls is not going to change anytime soon despite our trying to build schools there. We have the Christian Patriarcy Movement in our own country that is still against women becoming educated and we expect that Afgani attitudes toward educating girls is going to change. Bin Laden is dead. Mission finally accomplished. Time for all U.S. soldiers to leave Afganistan. We have other ways to keep an eye on renewed Al Quaeda activity in the country other than having boots on the ground.
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
08:56 AM on 05/07/2011
Good for them. We are now in a silly little war to enforce religious and cultural changes on their society. We can not win using soldiers without genocide. And, I am not prepared to let my government do that.
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innerpuppie
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09:56 AM on 05/07/2011
I doubt if our families who have lost loved ones in Afghanistan would call it 'a silly little war'. The silly, little war is costing American taxpayers over 100 billion dollars a year.
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
11:11 AM on 05/07/2011
Yes, silly is an understatement. Obscene is a better choice of words. Any loss of life in Afghanistan by our children for the current mission should weigh heavily on our leaders. But, it doesn't.
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CarlIII
Liberal Virginian living in Remlap Alabama
11:49 AM on 05/07/2011
War is obscene. You can't imagine how terrible it is. If we had handled the War on Terror the way we handled this mission to kill Ben Laden. 5000 young Americans would be alive today. Nobody would listen those voices in 2001. Oh no Old Rumsfeld thought he was fighting NAM so we had to INVADE !!!. Then Bush got bored with Afganistan and went after the Guy that tried to assassinate his Father. Their lame "Shock and Awe" turned into Quag and Mire" very quickly .Bush IS the worse president ever.
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littlebrowngirl
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08:41 AM on 05/07/2011
Gett
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Tom Pumroy
practical dreamer-artist Man Ray
07:25 AM on 05/07/2011
I’m afraid that there is a little problem in your assessment of the situation that is going to keep cropping up and will show us who is ultimately in control. I think it is a safe bet that we are not in the Middle East because of terrorism that is just the public face of something else, something they aren’t revealing.

We the people play no role, have no influence over our nation anymore it is our institutions, our corporations, our military that run the show from behind the curtain while maintaining the illusion of a democracy. If this is the first time you have heard this I apologize for being the one to break the bad news I’m sorry, I really am.

Of course I could be wrong but it sometimes appears that we are actually in the Middle East to control the resources that the military relies on to get from point A to point B because without it they are a nonentity, a tiger without teeth and they know it. The war on terror was a convenient ruse skillfully used to achieve the real goal of capturing the energy, the oil that the military is dependent on, end of story; all other motives and the interests of the people aside.
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lowrodiay65
07:04 AM on 05/07/2011
Next people will want to give up Iraq , then might even get to the point of people wanting to close all military bases outside the U.S. and bring all troops home and letting the world defend itself for a change. WOW!
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lowrodiay65
07:02 AM on 05/07/2011
O MY GOD! Give up part of the american empire? Blasphemy!