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Robert Naiman

Robert Naiman

Posted: November 16, 2007 03:30 AM

Clinton Flogs Alleged Iranian Role in Iraq Even More Than Bush


In Thursday night's debate, defending her vote for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment -- which critics have charged was intended to escalate towards military confrontation with Iran -- Senator Clinton said, "The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has assisted the militias... in killing...Americans."

This unsubstantiated allegation echoes unsubstantiated claims by Senator Lieberman and the Bush administration that both Lieberman and the administration have claimed would justify U.S. military attacks on Iran. But, as Senator Clinton surely knows, the Bush administration has not produced evidence to substantiate these allegations. Why is she repeating them, now, when even the Bush administration has moved away from them?

On February 12, the Washington Post reported on a much-awaited U.S. military briefing in Iraq that was supposed to substantiate these claims. "The officials offered no evidence to substantiate allegations that the 'highest levels' of the Iranian government had sanctioned support for attacks against U.S. troops.," noted the Post, adding that "the U.S. government has never publicly offered evidence proving the allegations."

Iraq's deputy foreign minister said the Iraqi government remains in the dark about the U.S. investigation into Iranian activities in Iraq. "It is difficult for us here in the diplomatic circles just to accept whatever the American forces say is evidence," he said. "If they have anything really conclusive, then they should come out and say it openly."

The components of the one device shown at the briefing "require precision machining that Iraq has shown no evidence of being able to perform," U.S. officials said.

But as NBC reported on February 23, U.S. military officials subsequently admitted that these devices were indeed being manufactured in Iraq. That doesn't prove that some were not also coming from Iran, but it does undermine the previous U.S. claim that they had to be coming from Iran since they couldn't be manufactured in Iraq.

Regardless of what was true in the past, U.S. military officials are now saying that Iran has halted the smuggling of bombs into Iraq. "We have not seen any recent evidence that weapons continue to come across the border into Iraq." Army Maj. Gen. James Simmons said, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday. "We believe that the initiatives and the commitments that the Iranians have made appear to be holding up."

It's very unfortunate, to say the least, that Senator Clinton is still pushing the claim that Iran is responsible for the deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq when even the Bush administration is moving away from it. "Aktar maliki min il malik," as they say in Arabic -- more royalist than the King.

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05:17 PM on 11/16/2007
You want to know why Hillary Clinton is misleading the American public on Iran?

Hillary is the 3rd leading recipient of money from the Israel Lobby. Joe Lieberman is #1 and Jon Kyle is #5. So for those of you who wondered why shy signed onto Kyl-Lieberman, now you know:

TOP RECIPIENTS FROM ISRAEL LOBBY:
1. Lieberman, Joe (I-CT) - $1,204,890
2. Cardin, Ben (D-MD) - $441,373
3. Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) - $328,873
4. Nelson, Bill (D-FL) - $327,941
5. Kyl, Jon (R-AZ) - $310,596
...
http://opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=Q05&cycle=2006
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04:45 PM on 11/16/2007
Hillary Clinton

Walks like a Repblican

Talks like a Republican

VOTES like a Republican

Heck, might as well vote for a Republican
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03:09 PM on 11/16/2007
OK, let's review:

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the Democratic Leadership Council which is a vote for Republican-lite which is a vote for more of the same which is a vote for political dynasties that are now bound at the hip.

Bill hearts Poppy Bush.
Bill lives in Poppy Bush's house.
Hill tolerates Bill
Hill + Bill = BUSHCO

Nafta/Cafta/Nafta/Cafta - gesundheit!
02:07 PM on 11/16/2007
Well has Iran help kill our troops or not?

I thought our forces had examined over 400 rockets and fragments that were made in Iran. They said they could even tell what month each rocket was made. I read reports about Iran giving money and weapons to militias .
What is the truth?
01:28 PM on 11/16/2007
Hillary Chicken Hawk Clinton, her husband dodge the Nam war. Now, she is trying to start one. I say send her daughter first then lets talk about it. If we as American feel so strong about this war send you own first!!! If not you all need to shut up!!! I here people always talk about what we need to do. We never get on the plane into battle. They alway stay home. She does not deserve to be President of this United States. We need to listen!!!!
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12:49 PM on 11/16/2007
dennis kucinich said it for me when he said he would back the dem nominee if (she) foreswears war as an instrument of foreign policy. hillary will never work positively to diminish the power of war has a human institution. she will never do for peace what al gore is doing for the environment.
and anyone who is waiting for anybody to "prove" anything needs a quick refresher in elementary formal logic. this is about reading the future with instinct. not "proving" anything.
hillary will attack iran and start universal involuntary servitude, i.e., a draft, to provide cheap labor for environmental and infrastructure repair, among many other good and bad things. all the leftist feminist women who opposed bush and the iraq war will support her militarism.
12:48 PM on 11/16/2007
Hillary is running her general election campaign, and is Very pro-AIPAC and pro-AIPAC money. That she ALSO said several months ago that she favors leaving (increasing?) private security contractors as our troops pull out (oh, yes) in Iraq shows just who she is. She ain't MY girl!
12:45 PM on 11/16/2007
Well, she has to have some war mongering platform, doesn't she?
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12:30 PM on 11/16/2007
uhhhhh, because the people who run both of them thought it would be a good thing to do?
11:58 AM on 11/16/2007
"It's very unfortunate, to say the least, that Senator Clinton is still pushing the claim that Iran is responsible for the deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq when even the Bush administration is moving away from it. "Aktar maliki min il malik," as they say in Arabic -- more royalist than the King."

it is more than unfortunate . . . time and time again hillary shows that she is a hawk and not just a hawk but an neo-con hawk . . . her voting records speaks volumes . . .she voted with the chimp on Iraq; she did not vote to extend discussion on Iraq; she backed the Patriot Act . . . her voting record says this woman has repeatedly voted with the GOPs . .. wake up people; she backed kyl/lieberman . . . she and bill even backed lieberman in his last senate race . . . nostalgia for the bill clinton WH is too expensive a course to be taking . . . America needs a new direction and it needs to engage in diplomacy especially in the Middle East . . . hillary is the wrong candidate ... her record says she is a follower . . . if you want change vote for Obama or Edward or Kucinich . . .anyone but mz hillary and remember . . . she is the least electable nationally . . .don't waste your vote
11:50 AM on 11/16/2007
Hillary NeoBush Clinton would be another disaster for this country. We should cut Israel off the feed trough; there are many peoples needing our aid more -- and deserving it more! -- than relatively rich Israel (which has universal health care that our leaders insist we can't afford while voting ever increased aid to a nation that has never given us a single material benefit.) And since Israel wants us to make war on Iran for themk, Hillary NeoBush will comply.
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11:45 AM on 11/16/2007
Why is she repeating them, now, when even the Bush administration has moved away from them? Because she is even less respectable and wants to show her Zionist bosses She can out lie anyone else in the next pony show election.
11:43 AM on 11/16/2007
It is back to the part that fear can move mountains and motivate people to vote "my Way" so I can protect you. Sounds like another rerun right? She also moves the talk to I can bring back the good old days just like with Bill. It annoys the hell out of me that her tough talk to sound like a boy/man comes out then she and Bill play ender card all over when they hit back. Not a fan of Hil but less a fan of Rudy/Mitt/John Mc.
11:26 AM on 11/16/2007
For those of you who think Hillary is always telling you what people want to hear this might come as a shock. She was the only one prepared to step up and say what is on her mind. You may or may not agree with her that is a different issue.
11:20 AM on 11/16/2007
ONE:
Senator Clinton said, "The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has assisted the militias... in killing...Americans."

"Has assisted," not " are assisting."
Right?
I am foreigner, but I can detect the difference between between past and present tense in English.

From the cited article by the blogger:"
"I can't tell you they're exclusively coming from Iran," Odierno said. "I will tell you that all the things, the indicators, that we have here [are] that the materials, the training and even a lot of the funding for the insurgency, for these types of technologies, are in fact coming from or being supported by the Quds force or other people from Iran."

OK, which part of "has assisted" is beyond basic understanding.

TWO

Did Clinton say that she supports an attack against Iran. NO.

Let me repeat it: CLINTON NEVER STATED THAT SHE SUPPORTS AN ATTACK AGAINST IRAN.

Does this blog attempts the character assassination of Sen. Clinton by fear mongering: of course.
Welcome to the swiftboat zone of the front runner. More to come? Of course.

Does Clinton consider Iran an enemy of US. Of Course.
Does Iran consider ITSELF an enemy of US. OF course.
Is Iran is somewhat conciliatory because they're scared? Of course.
Will President Hillary Clinton order an war with Iran with current status quo? Absolutely not.