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Against War and Austerity, Hollande Is Right and Obama Should Agree

Posted: 05/08/2012 5:14 pm

Newly elected French President François Hollande is coming to the White House next week to meet with President Obama ahead of the G8 and NATO summits. Two items are sure to be on the agenda: Hollande's call for a "New Deal" (as it were) in European economic policy that would restore growth rather than continue budget austerity, and Hollande's promise to speed up the withdrawal of French troops from Afghanistan.

Press reports suggest that Obama's agenda for the meeting will include trying to induce Hollande to renege on his pledge to withdraw French troops from Afghanistan. That would be a terrible mistake, a terrible waste of a unique opportunity for Obama to agree with Hollande on a common position for speeding up the withdrawal of all foreign forces that they can announce at the NATO summit in Chicago.

The fact is, at the level of rhetoric, Obama and Hollande already agree on ending the war, as they already agree that the European austerity policy has failed and should be replaced by a policy of restoring economic growth. A common Obama-Hollande front on ending the war and ending European austerity would be in the interest of the American 99%, the European 99%, and the Afghan 99%. (As the Obama administration has correctly pointed out, austerity in Europe hurts Americans too, because when Europe is in recession, Europeans buy fewer American goods and services.)

In his weekly radio address on Saturday, President Obama said the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan would free up money to help rebuild the U.S. economy: "After more than a decade of war, it is time to focus on nation-building here at home."

So, Hollande and Obama agree that U.S. and French forces should be withdrawn from Afghanistan; they agree that the U.S. and France should refocus on their domestic economic problems.

But President Obama still has a policy in place that doesn't make sense in light of this agreement in principle on withdrawing troops. If we agree on bringing our troops out, why wait until 2014 or longer? As Eugene Robinson asked quite reasonably in the Washington Post, if we're going to switch to counterterrorism and training in Afghanistan in 2014, why not just make the switch now?

In addition to the Americans and Afghans who will be killed -- as the Seattle Times pointed out -- if we keep tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan until 2014, there is a real domestic economic cost to keeping our Afghanistan policy on autopilot.

Reporting on the efforts of House Republicans to cut domestic spending, including food stamps, in order to protect military spending, Bloomberg notes that the annual costs of the food stamp program, which is now serving 46 million Americans, are projected to reach $80 billion. Quelle horreur! Guess what we're already slated to spend on the Afghanistan war this year? $88.5 billion.

I ask you, my fellow Americans, which do you think is more important: making sure that 46 million Americans -- including children who have no say about anything -- have enough food to eat? Or keeping the Afghan war policy on autopilot until 2014, even though we aren't accomplishing anything there that requires keeping 88,000 U.S. troops in harm's way? We know the answer for the majority: the overwhelming majority of Americans, including the majority of Republicans, want U.S. troops to come home from Afghanistan soon, not tarry until 2014.

So let's hope that the reports that Obama is going to try to talk Hollande out of withdrawing French troops from Afghanistan turn out to be unfounded. Hollande's election is a chance to turn the page. The American people, including the majority of Republicans, are with Hollande in saying that our troops should come out. Obama can use Hollande's pledge to withdraw French troops as a lever to force the Pentagon to swallow a faster drawdown. Wouldn't it be better to withdraw all our troops faster together, than have other countries withdraw sooner, and leave U.S. troops in Afghanistan all alone?

 

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Newly elected French President François Hollande is coming to the White House next week to meet with President Obama ahead of the G8 and NATO summits. Two items are sure to be on the agenda: Hollande...
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HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
07:46 PM on 05/09/2012
I suspect the reason the US will pull out its troops in 2014 is pure domestic politics. Obama wants to show strength, so no hurried pull-out - nothing in an election year or the year following it. But he also knows people are sick and tired of this war and don't want him to wait until the end of his term. So, 2014 or 2015. It's a political choice, not a military-strategic one. It has everything to do with appearances and nothing with facts on the ground.

That is why Hollande is free to pull out earlier. It's not as if he's quitting before the job is done - it won't be done in 2014 any more than in 2012. He's not following the US's electoral calendar but France's.
07:42 PM on 05/09/2012
I find this article a little naive. Just as in Iraq, Obama (and any other president) wants to keep permanent bases in the country to project American power in the region. Iraq will also have the biggest consulate in the world costing $1 billion to run a year and several of the bases that were built in the desert with deep concrete bunkers will remain. Another pointer that reveals the true nature of the invasion.

The US is not readily going to give up territory in Afghanistan that it has fought so hard to gain.
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Stewart Goss
Evil requires the sanction of the victim -Ayn Rand
07:27 PM on 05/09/2012
Putting aside the fact that "austerity" isn't defined in any of the articles deriding it, how about examining what would happen if all or Europe and the USA embarked on a fresh wave of stimulus spending?

The markets are already reacting to the possibility of a Greek default, they are less nervous about France as Hollande knows he has little room to manuver in. Six straight days of the dow declining.

A European and USA spending spree? Rates to insure government bonds would skyrocket. Those countries on the precipice of collapse would fall in short order and we would have a chain effect. Markets would collapse, your 401K with them (back in 2008 I got a notice that some accounts were frozen due to the credit crunch), and pension funds would run dry.

Anyways, we are almost there. Spending is still too high in many countries and I forsee a crash this summer or by mid 2012 at the latest.

You can make any economy look wonderful by massively increasing spending but it has a short term effect. As can be seen with the USA this is already starting to wear off. The solution of pumping even more into the system is not only ill advised but extremely dangerous. Creditors only have so much they can extend and their confidence can switch on a dime.
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
07:57 PM on 05/09/2012
Exactly. Where does Hollande think he will find a magic pot of money to finance any of the expansion he has promised?
The income tax increases he proposes [which will never pass] wouldn't even begin to pay for his spending fantasy. He is a liar.
And the French who bought into his lies deserve the outcome of an economic slowdown.
12:50 PM on 05/09/2012
Looking forward to Obama winning in Nov. Then when the debt bubble poops he can't blame Republians. He can go down as the worst President in history, the president that ignored the debt and crashed the economy. Just keep pushing socialism.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
12:54 PM on 05/09/2012
You must mean socialism for the rich. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses -- that's what happens in the USA. (Trillions to TBTF banks ,remember?)
fredjernig
Good night, and good luck!
03:47 PM on 05/09/2012
Uh, the President who crashed the economy was George W Bush, who inherited a budget surplus and a thriving economy and drove us into the ground. Whatever you think of Obama, he'll never match Dubya's failure.
12:45 PM on 05/09/2012
the pressure that president obama will exert on president hollande is going to be high but the president elect sounds much more reasonable and convincing than the outgoing sarkozy as you can see in this clip he was ready to receive his final orders on iran syria and afghanistan
http://api.dmcloud.net/player/pubpage/4e7343f894a6f677b10006b4/4f86ee1294739948c5000231/4ecaa97834d24d6999780ba614fc44cc?wmode=transparent&autoplay=1
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
10:01 PM on 05/09/2012
The reason Sarkozy lost was his foreign policy and cozy relationship with the USA/Israel.
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Opus Fideo
Atheist. Social Democrat. Canadian.
12:00 PM on 05/09/2012
-Fire Ze missiles!
-But I'm Le tired
-ok, so take a nap... But then Fire ze missiles!
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intolleft
ObamaTAX...getting you shovel ready
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
09:32 AM on 05/09/2012
In the 20th century, France's ultra-left inspired "pacifism" has resulted in the country being invaded twice. On both occasions, the "pacifists" proved unable to defend their country against the invader -- and were saved "in extremis" by other foreign powers (including USA). Some American ultra-leftists would rather incongruently see USA follow a French experiment which failed disastruously. What is unclear is: who will then save the day -- France??
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
07:37 PM on 05/09/2012
In WW I, France sent so many young men to the killing fields that it couldn't fill the factories when the war was over. Conscripts who tried to keep away from the front were shot. In WW II, pacifism played no role. The French had prepared for the wrong war - a trench war, like WW I - and were woefully unprepared for Blitzkrieg. France is not, and never has been, a pacifist country. It has boots on the ground in many countries where the US didn't want to send them.

Hollande will pull troops out faster because his domestic political calendar is not the same as Obama's. This war isn't about getting anything done anymore. It's about saving face.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
10:03 AM on 05/10/2012
Both wars have been faught on French territory, because France has failed to recognize the threat and prepare appropriately.

As for WW2 specifically, French & British pacifist-inspired attempts to appease Hitler caused the war to start under much more unfavorable conditions, last way longer and claim many more victims. Plenty of research shows that in 1938 Hitler could still have been stopped with relative ease by an Allied pre-emptive attack.

All that analysis notwithstanding, the FACT of the matter is that France was at least twice unable to defend itself and had to be saved by others -- hardly an example to be followed by USA.
09:02 AM on 05/09/2012
If Hollande drops austerity altogether and starts spending other people's money again, guess who will have to foot the bill? Yes, the 99 percent of course.
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
12:41 PM on 05/09/2012
yes, but it will be ordinary taxpayers in Germany, not France.
they always end up footing the bill for economic mistakes made by other EU members.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
12:55 PM on 05/09/2012
The issue has to do with German bankers -- not the people. The German bankers (who own the euro) want their money, despite the fact that the crisis has been caused by their mistakes. The people say, "let the banks take the hit -- not the people."
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
10:02 PM on 05/09/2012
Baloney
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Allene Stucki
08:56 AM on 05/09/2012
Once we've admitted that the cause (of nation-building) is hopeless, and we're committed to pulling out, it is the epitome of insanity to not do so today - or better, YESTERDAY!
06:23 AM on 05/09/2012
It is very difficult to stimulate a fundamentally unproductive economy.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
12:55 PM on 05/09/2012
That's the number one problem in the USA: no more manufacturing, no more productivity. Nothing to stimulate.
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
02:14 PM on 05/09/2012
The US, like the UK, has a service-based economy.
It hasn't been manufacturing-based for decades.
US economic growth far exceeds that of France even in the very worst of times.
The job situation in France makes our situation here seem rosy by comparison.
Not surprised that Hollande won but will be surprised if any of his plans cause economic improvement.
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Stewart Goss
Evil requires the sanction of the victim -Ayn Rand
07:31 PM on 05/09/2012
The money is in service industries, not manufacturing. Manufacturing is the province of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Leave it to countries that provide cheap labor.

We can focus on becoming doctors, lawyers, dentists, computer scientists, engineers, architects, etc.
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crydespite
no-one is ever 'just saying'
04:57 AM on 05/09/2012
"Obama can use Hollande's pledge to withdraw French troops as a lever to force the Pentagon to swallow a faster drawdown."

Sad comment when the Commander in Chief does not have the authority to just tell the Pentagon what will be done. This is a comment on the military/industrial/congressional complex. not on Obama.
caveman06
Citizens Against Virtually Everything
12:57 PM on 05/09/2012
Really wasn't it the Pentagon that wanted 40,000 troops and an open ended schedule for the surge.

Wasn't it Obama that settled on 30,000 troops and guaranteed withdrawl date before we could be sure we made some lasting effects!!

So therefore, Obama does have some say over what the military does.
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Oppose obama
04:38 AM on 05/09/2012
Wishful thinking
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wayne the pain
12:23 AM on 05/09/2012
Europe is fighting back against the austerity and cut social programs leaders. France and Greece have elected anti austerity leaders. Merkel's party just lost some local elections in Germany. European voters vote their interest, Americans vote their prejudices. When you vote your prejudices on guns, gays, and abortion the people's economic interests can be destroyed. That is want is happening in the U.S. today.
02:29 PM on 05/09/2012
Actually she did not lose any local election. Her party was still receiving most of the votes.

The problem is that France would like to ease the spending cuts on troubled countries, but he would like Germany to pay for it, not France.
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wayne the pain
11:01 AM on 05/10/2012
Your comments are at odds with what Der Speigel reported.
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Stoopid American
Trooth, justice, and the American way ...
11:53 PM on 05/08/2012
There has been no point to the Afghan conflict for many years. If the Afghan state sponsors terror again, I'm sure we can put a stop to it in short order. Bring the soldiers home, now.