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Robert Naiman

Robert Naiman

Posted: November 23, 2010 11:26 AM

Press reports have suggested that Administration officials are trying to make Democratic voters forget that the Administration promised to start drawing down troops from Afghanistan in July 2011 by "pivoting" to the "aspirational goal" that "most" U.S. "combat troops" will be withdrawn by 2014. The Administration still says it will withdraw some troops in July 2011, but press reports suggest that the Administration may try to make this a "symbolic" withdrawal, not the "serious drawdown" (as Speaker Pelosi put it) involving "a whole lot of people" (as Vice-President Biden put it) that Democrats were led to expect.

But if these press reports about Administration strategy are correct, Administration political strategists may have another think coming. Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg suggests that continued escalation of the war in Afghanistan would be likely to draw a primary challenge, the Christian Science Monitor reports:

As Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg was leaving a Monitor breakfast last week, he was asked about the possibility that President Obama might face a Democratic primary challenge in 2012.

Mr. Greenberg's two-word answer: "Watch Afghanistan."

As the Monitor notes, a recent Quinnipiac University poll found that 62 percent of Democrats say US troops should not be in Afghanistan.

Note that the same Quinnipiac poll found military families split on the war, "with 49 percent backing the US role and 47 percent saying the troops should come home." That suggests significant dissent among the troops, because if every GI Jane and Joe is telling Mom and Dad that the war makes sense and the prospects are good, you wouldn't expect half of military families to say that US troops shouldn't be there. Dissenting troops tend to produce dissenting veterans. Dissenting veterans tend to produce dissenting veteran candidates for office.

If Stan Greenberg thinks a Democratic primary is a serious prospect if the escalation of the Afghanistan war continues, then that's a claim that cannot be dismissed. Greenberg has been studying elections for a long time, and is paid top dollar to be right more often than most other people.

A key reason that some folks don't take this threat very seriously yet is that when they think of a primary challenge, their first thought is: "who is the candidate?" It's a natural thought. If they can't think who the candidate is, then it doesn't seem like a serious threat.

But this misses the fact that the potential pool of credible candidates is actually quite large, and if you look back to the past, few people could have predicted well in advance who might emerge as a credible candidate.

To be a credible candidate for President, at least one of the following three attributes is minimally sufficient, in addition to being legally eligible and having a plausible message: a) you have a huge pile of money b) you are famous and have a big base of public support or c) you can rely upon the support of a big organization.

Now, of course, most Americans don't have any of these three attributes. Relative to the entire population, they are rare attributes. But relative to the fact that you only need one candidate for a primary challenge, the set of Americans who have at least one of these attributes is quite large.

How many Americans would have predicted in the summer of 1991 that a year later billionaire Ross Perot would be leading President George H. W. Bush and Governor Bill Clinton in national polls? How many Americans would have predicted in the spring of 1987 that Jesse Jackson would win seven Democratic primaries and four caucuses a year later, including Delaware, Michigan, and Vermont, leading the New York Times to call 1988 the "Year of Jackson"? How many Americans would have predicted in late November 1967 when Senator Eugene McCarthy announced his candidacy for President that he would nearly defeat incumbent President Johnson in the New Hampshire primary four months later, amidst rising Democratic discontent about Vietnam? How many Americans would have predicted in 1932, when FDR was first elected promising to balance the budget, that the threat of Huey Long's presidential candidacy would help produce the New Deal, with Roosevelt adviser Raymond Moley reporting that FDR said he wanted to "steal Long's thunder"?

This history suggests that if conditions are right, candidates are likely to emerge. Therefore, it may not be so easy to sweep President Obama's July 2011 drawdown promise into the dustbin of history. A Democratic Presidential candidate has a big megaphone. If some Americans forget that President Obama promised to withdraw troops from Afghanistan in July 2011, a Democratic primary candidate is likely to remind them.

If you don't want to see this scenario play out, tell President Obama to keep his promise for a "serious drawdown" of troops in 2011.

 

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08:31 AM on 11/24/2010
Maybe Osama will cast the deciding vote: stage some sort of attack to keep us engaged in a ruinous, pointless war.
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
11:14 AM on 11/24/2010
That is his strategy
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Leah Watts
06:24 AM on 11/24/2010
Ha! You're wishing. And a primary challenge would be just SO constructive, wouldn't it? History speaks otherwise, and in this case, it would hand the US just what it handed them in 1968 - an extended war with the GOP in the White House. Dream on.

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08:28 AM on 11/24/2010
I'm not buying that. My vote is going for what I believe.
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Fein
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05:39 PM on 11/23/2010
Robert you have an excellent point except for the fact that Obama's delusion, that the Afgan war was a 'good' war was likely a reason he got so many 'swing' votes.

Americans BELIEVE in their wars. Presidential candidates have to show that they've no qualms about sending others' children to die for no reason. Anything else would be decried by the RW as 'unAmerican'.
04:12 PM on 11/23/2010
Were any Democrat to upend Obama as the Democratic nominee in 2012, African Americans would desert the party in droves, assuring a loss to ANY Republican nominated. Democrats, if they want a chance at all in 2012, cannot make a change at the top of the ticket.
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05:47 PM on 11/23/2010
because African Americans only care about a black man as president and couldn't possibly make a voting decision based on anything other than skin color?
11:01 PM on 11/23/2010
Baileygk, you have put that in as baldly negative a fashion as you can. I would not put it that way. But I don't doubt for a minute that Obama's status as the first African American president means a tremendous amount to most African American voters. (And not just African American voters. Even I, who have never voted for a Democrat for president, see the man's rise as an inspiring example of the American Dream in action). Do you really think the Democratic Party could ditch Obama and not suffer a huge defection in African American votes?
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11:12 AM on 11/24/2010
African Americans will not go out to vote democrat in 2012 (in any large numbers) if obama is defeated in a primary - he is still very popular among African Americans, and people have a tendency to be upset when the leaders they like get kicked out of the party. Think teddy rosevelt in 1912 - made wilson president.
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gutenmorgen
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02:17 PM on 11/23/2010
Rest assured that many voters will have forgotten by November 2012 and for those who have not forgotten Obama will have a bushel of excuses. The crucial issue in 2012 will be the unemployment rate. If that is still so high that voters with jobs are frightened to lose theirs Obama c.s. will be sucked into a black hole from which there is no return.
04:17 PM on 11/23/2010
You're right. His excuses didn't sell this year and will be even more unconvincing if that's all he's got to sell in 2012.
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
01:08 PM on 11/23/2010
If there is a primary challange to Obama the democrats will loose big in 2012. If it is sucessfull - African Americans will not go out to vote. If it is unsucessfull - progressives will stay home. Either way we loose.

I personaly dotn care all that much about the war - stay or go im willing to defer judgement on that issue to the president.

The deficit commission (and the tax cuts for the rich to a lesser degree) will be my bright line - if he supports (or caves) to the Simpson proposal, i will shift from disaffected supporter, to full opposition to the president. If the desmantaling to the new deal and great society is going to happen i reather the republicans do it than the dems, even if they do it would be worse. Because if they do it - we can un do it. If we do it - it will be the new concensus and will take another generation (and a new great depression) to bring it back. If the democrats are going to be a progressive party it must have a spine or stop bothering to try. If it wont be a progressive party - who cares, they dont belong in power. As leader of the party Obama must lead by example not cave at every obstacle. I put progressive policies above partisanship and bipartisanship.
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bigkay
09:16 AM on 11/24/2010
You don't care about the war? The wars are costing trillions of borrowed dollars and after 10 years Nothing has been resolved., we are lost in the "graveyard of Empires".
President Obama is bi-racial, I doubt if African americans will not vote if Obama is challenged in the primary. Obama is Bush lite he will be challenged by a progressive Democrat or Third Party candidate.
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
11:07 AM on 11/24/2010
Honestly - I dont have enough information to make an informed choice about afgahnistan (i dont have access to classified information). Which is why i defer to the president. Although afghanistan is costing the US lot of money and more improtantly lives of American soldiers and Afgahn civilians - by my definition its not a real war. During WW2 we had 15 million men in uniform out of 150 million american. That is a 10% service rate. We also had tax rates of 91% of income. Its whats called full mobilization. With our current population we can fund and deploy 30 million soldiers if we really wanted to fight this war. Also note that the entire population of afgahnistan (including refugees) is 28 million. we could have more soldiers than there are afgahns. We as a nation are not now nor have we ever been serious about the war in afghanistan. It is a sad waste of lives. The problem is that if obama does a full imidiate pull out - and there is another terrorist attack based out of afgahnistan, Obama, the democrats, the left, progressives and the peace/anti-imperilism movement will be discredited as "soft on terror." Right now the stratege is try to win the war on the cheap (cant be done) and pull out when you can declare victory so that Obama, the democrats, the left, progressives and the peace/anti-imperilism movement will not be discredited. .
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
11:10 AM on 11/24/2010
Cont.
Its not an ideal solution and it will waste alot of innocent lives and money but is the less bad solution.

African Americans will nto go out to vote democrat (in any large numbers) if obama is defeated ina primary - he is still very popular among African Americans, and people have a tendency to be upset when the leaders they like get kicked out of the party. A third party challange will only repeat a nader in 2000 (or if its bloomberg will be pro war). The Anti war movement is just not big enough or diverse enough at this time, to cahllange Obama and win the primary and win the general. Sorry.
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01:02 PM on 11/23/2010
Back when Stan was cutting his teeth on government at Miami of Ohio with professor Herbie Waltzer he used to like to make smart statements and walk his delegation out of the mock UN sessions that were so popular in the 1960s. This call is a modern day incantation of those days. Last week Schoen and Caddell suggested at WaPo that Obama should do the right thing and not seek reelection. The momentum is building and the world is watching. Ten days is a long time to be away and when you aren't at home, stuff happens. Greenberg's notion of a primary challege won't wind down the Af-Pak war, and the estimated monthly $7 billion cost of prosecuting it that's keeping the lights on all night at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving, in Texas outside Fort Worth.
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FearlessFreep
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12:37 PM on 11/23/2010
No doubt Obama will leave a third of the GIs in Afghanistan, then go on TV to declare the occupation over (just like Iraq).