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Will Religious Conflicts Threaten the President's New Science Initiatives?

Posted: 02/04/11 10:23 AM ET

In his second State of the Union address, President Barack Obama called on Americans to reclaim our identity as a people who "do big things" and pledged new federal investment, particularly for scientific research.

We'll invest in biomedical research, information technology and especially clean energy technology. ... We're telling America's scientists and engineers that if they assemble the teams of the best minds in their fields, and focus on the hardest problems in clean energy, we'll fund the Apollo Projects of our time.

But will Obama's call to renewed public investment in scientific research and technology run aground in the choppy seas of religion and science conflicts? Historically, religious and scientific leaders alike have seen these realms in conflict, particularly in modern times. Many observers have thought the rise of science presents religious believers an unavoidable, stark choice: intellectual integrity or intellectual sacrifice. So can America, exceptional still among industrialized nations for its high levels of religiosity, also remain exceptional in the sphere of science?

A Pew Research Center poll on science offers some complex answers to these questions. On the one hand, scientists topped the list of professions who contribute to the well being of society (70 percent "a lot"), handily trumping clergy (40 percent "a lot"). More than eight-in-10 (84 percent) said science has had a mostly positive effect on society and has made life easier for people (83 percent). Moreover, six-in-10 Americans, including majorities of all major religious groups, believe government investment in research is essential for scientific progress.

Yet this same poll found that a majority (55 percent) of Americans say science and religion are often in conflict, and 36 percent say science sometimes conflicts with their own religious beliefs. A majority of white evangelicals (52 percent) and more than four-in-10 (44 percent) Catholics agree that science sometimes conflict with their religious beliefs.

But looking below the surface, it turns out that the conflicts are limited to specific terrain. Among Americans who acknowledge a conflict between their religious beliefs and science, one area of conflict stands out: evolution (41 percent). Americans' views on this subject are telling. Roughly one-third (32 percent) believe living beings have evolved due to natural selection, 22 percent believe a supreme being guided the evolutionary process and about one-third (31 percent) they have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.

The data suggests that the new science initiatives should find strong general support among religious Americans as long as they steer clear of the issue of evolution. But even on this issue, a majority of Americans seem to have avoided the "intellectual sacrifice" allegedly demanded of them by incorporating divine participation in the evolutionary process. That move may be yet another expression of American ingenuity at work.

This article was originally posted by Dr. Jones at the Washington Post's On Faith section. To read more from Dr. Jones, find his blog, "Faith in the Numbers," here.

 
 
 

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joeyfoto
“Écraser l'infamie!”
10:16 AM on 02/16/2011
For the 36% of American who believe "Science conflicts with their religious beliefs," and choose religious fairy tales over facts, I'd say good. Evolution will take care of that. I expect their employment opportunities to diminish even further as the 21st century progresses.

36% is a high percentage of citizens committed to scientific illiteracy; that is bad for America, but it will be good for India and China. I'd say that's evolution too.

Thanks to the toxic influence of Fundamentalist religion, America's future is looking worse and worse.
Bellla
Trans & Proud
12:07 PM on 02/08/2011
Science is the search for verifiable fact, truth if you will. Is someone's religious dogma is contradicted by Scientific findings they should repeat the research for themselves or accept it and exchange belief for knowledge. To say that Science contradicts your religion, therefore Science should be curtailed are admitting that they are not interested in what is true or the nature of actual reality, because straying from their delusions causes them so much discomfort. Sometimes the truth sucks, but it is still true. Ronald Reagan Himself said "Trust, but verify" why should that tiny bit of wisdom from Bonzo not apply to religion as much as strategic arms limitation?
kellygreen
"Ideology is the Science of Idiots" John Adams
08:52 AM on 02/07/2011
There is no conflict between science and religion.

Only a conflict between science and religious literalism/fundamentalism.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
01:06 PM on 02/07/2011
If you can have literal science, there has to be literal truth.
kellygreen
"Ideology is the Science of Idiots" John Adams
08:20 AM on 02/08/2011
That doesn't mean that we human beings have access to that "literal truth"....or that this "literal truth" looks the same from every point of view.
Bellla
Trans & Proud
12:16 PM on 02/08/2011
Literal means "as written" sharing a root with "literacy".
Of course Science is literal! Publish or Perish!
Literal Truth then means, Truth, as written. And it ain't neccesarally so that what is written is always true! Look at Wiccepedia!
I think that the concept you might be groping to reach for is "absolute Truth". And If you want the absolute truth about anything you have to look at it through the lens of more than one discipline in order to know it.
So Literal truth is easy enough to find and not finality or closure in itself. Only those who aren't interested in having their paradigms challenged will be content only with literal truth. Don't knock "experiential Truth" either, you can't learn everything from books.
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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
06:57 PM on 02/06/2011
Religion is the greatest inhibitor to progress, especially in science.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
12:51 PM on 02/07/2011
Science was pioneered by Creationists.

Get your facts straight.

Today Creationists keep "scientists" in check.
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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
10:19 AM on 02/08/2011
Confident stupidity: The backbone of creationists.

How old is the Earth?
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DAE
01:09 AM on 02/06/2011
This century will be called Darwin's century. He was one of the greatest men who ever touched this globe. He has explained more of the phenomena of life than all of the religious teachers. Write the name of Charles Darwin on the one hand and the name of every theologian who ever lived on the other, and from that name has come more light to the world than from all of those. His doctrine of evolution, his doctrine of the survival of the fittest, his doctrine of the origin of species, has removed in every thinking mind the last vestige of orthodox Christianity. He has not only stated, but he has demonstrated, that the inspired writer knew nothing of this world. nothing of the origin of man. nothing of geology, nothing of astronomy, nothing of nature; that the Bible is a book written by ignorance--at the instigation of fear. Think of the men who replied to him. Only a few years ago there was no person too ignorant to successfully answer Charles Darwin, and the more ignorant he was the more cheerfully he undertook the task. He was held up to the ridicule, the scorn and contempt of the Christian world, and yet when he died, England was proud to put his dust with that of her noblest and her grandest. Charles Darwin conquered the intellectual world, and his doctrines are now accepted facts.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
12:54 PM on 02/07/2011
The variation of species is the result of a preexisting word that the elements obey which is evidence of design because there can be no function in the universe without having a Maker.

You cannot use design as evidence of no design.
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DAE
01:08 AM on 02/06/2011
His light has broken in on some of the clergy, and the greatest man who to-day occupies the pulpit of one of the orthodox churches, Henry Ward Beecher, is a believer in the theories of Charles Darwin--a man of more genius than all the clergy of that entire church put together.
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DAE
01:08 AM on 02/06/2011
And yet we are told in this little creed that orthodox religion is about to conquer the world! It will be driven to the wilds of Africa. It must go to some savage country; it has lost its hold upon civilization. It is unfortunate to have a religion that cannot be accepted by the intellect of a nation. It is unfortunate to have a religion against which every good and noble heart protests. Let us have a good religion or none. My pity has been excited by seeing these ministers endeavor to warp and twist the passages of Scripture to fit the demonstrations of science. Of course, I have not time to recount all the discoveries and events that have assisted in the destruction of superstition. Every fact is an enemy of the church. Every fact is a heretic. Every demonstration is an infidel. Everything that ever really happened testifies against the supernatural.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
01:04 PM on 02/07/2011
Science supports everything the Bible says.

You cannot have function in the universe without having a Maker and you cannot have a preexistingwritten word in the elements without ordering the elements.
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DAE
01:07 AM on 02/06/2011
The church teaches that man was created perfect, and that for six thousand years he has degenerated. Darwin demonstrated the falsity of this dogma. He shows that man has for thousands of ages steadily advanced; that the Garden of Eden is an ignorant myth; that the doctrine of original sin has no foundation in fact; that the atonement is an absurdity; that the serpent did not tempt, and that man did not "fall."
Charles Darwin destroyed the foundation of orthodox Christianity. There is nothing left but faith in what we know could not and did not happen. Religion and science are enemies. One is a superstition; the other is a fact. One rests upon the false, the other upon the true. One is the result of fear and faith, the other of investigation and reason.

--Robert Green Ingersollm Republican Orator 1884
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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
06:58 PM on 02/06/2011
One of the greatest Americans in history.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
01:00 PM on 02/07/2011
Geology alone disproves evolution because you cannot even explain where all of the sediments in the strata came from that buried all life on earth.

End of discussion right there.
12:27 AM on 02/06/2011
"majority (55 percent) of Americans say science and religion are often in conflict, and 36 percent say science sometimes conflicts with their own religious beliefs."
This is just another meaningless poll! Hard to stop laughing! The relevant question here is - What percentage of Americans have a clue what science is??? Huge percentage of high schoolers drop out, huge percentage of those who graduate do not have passing reading and writing skills - not to mention math skills! LOL!!
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
02:04 AM on 02/06/2011
Exactly! It's such a made up conflict, and HuffnPuff is playing right into it!

If this poll matters, then the whole curriculum for every grade ought to be created by polling.
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dadoorsron
11:07 AM on 02/06/2011
It's a religious conflict not a science conflict. Knowledge has destroyed a system that works exclusively in a world of feelings and thought. Once humans have become advanced. The biblical scare tactics and outdated stories fall to knowledge. I'm not saying religious people are not intelligent. What I am saying is some people have put aside feelings and thoughts for soild evidence. Thats a big difference then faith.
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David Hall 3
12:20 AM on 02/06/2011
Wholesale systemic rot and decay have ways of rendering the fantasies a relatively rich and privileged society maintains belief in despite the tsunami of contradictions an honest people would overturn them because of neutering of any practical paths toward revitalization; its not only extinct species that end up returning to the earth -- civilizations that cannot adapt quickly to the obvious challenges and opportunities facing them go extinct also.

Science is our barometer and mechanism to adapt and change for the preservation not only of a culture or belief system, but for civilization itself this time around -- interconnected and overcrowded and resource intensive as it is. How sad that approximately 50 percent of us will doom the other 50 percent for a belief system built entirely on best guesses, simplistic maxims and, often, complete fraud.
12:19 AM on 02/06/2011
The facts of History, (Humans existed long before Christian dogma claims we did, no Pharoah was drowned pursuing the Jewish people as they escaped Egypt, the Jewish people where not enslaved to build the Pyramids, there is no way the "Great Flood" could have occurred). The facts of science prove that the earth is around four and one half billions of years old and Biblical claims that the present genetic divergence of species occurred within 6000 to 10,000 years has no basis in reality. All scientific means of dating fossils and the age of the earth concur in proving Biblical claims of earths time scale and events are totally fanciful. But no amount of evidence will ever convince people who have an emotional need to pretend that Biblical fantasy is reality will ever have any effect on fundamentalists. Science and religion diverged a long time ago and there is no healing that rift.
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YouTubeJEFF9K
Big on the Big Picture.
11:44 PM on 02/05/2011
People who don't believe in science should give up their computers, cell phones, big-screen TVs, cars, and modern medicine. More importantly, they should refuse to cast their Republican ballots on voting machines.
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starmanx
beam me up, Scotty
11:51 PM on 02/05/2011
Excellent post! Says it all!
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Shrank
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01:58 AM on 02/06/2011
People who don't believe in science should eschew modern medicine, and refuse prescription medications, surgery, and blood transfusions. It won't take long for natural selection to do it's work.
11:33 PM on 02/05/2011
Science is hobbled by the religious right currently. Schools are to teach creationism (the Xtian form, never mind the other religions) as well as evolution. One of these things is not like the other.. one has some scientific backing, the other has none.

Stem cell research is also hobbled because of religious views of when life begins. So instead of putting embryonic tissue into research it must be destroyed. What information we do have coming from such research is promising, but disallowed over some groups' belief and perpetrated for the donors of particular campaigns because of political agendas that somehow a lump of cells is too precious.
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mansterEZ
searching for secular humanist fact-based truth
11:24 PM on 02/05/2011
This is not a surprise. Religion is based on beliefs and beliefs do not require facts that need be supported by provable scientific evidence. This illuminates the point of separation. Science cannot move forward without a reasonable and rational accumulation of supportable and repeatable facts. The practice of religion is dependent upon dominating the political theater to spread its' message. Science and its' promotion exists without any political theater. Transparency, intellectual driven thought, and illumination is its' premise. Religion and blind faith requires unquestioned belief in a god or gods to be valid where proof only exists on a slippery slope.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
11:30 PM on 02/05/2011
That definition of 'religion' is an assertion contrary to fact that doesn't fit all religions. (Though some religions, too, will tell you otherwise.)
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starmanx
beam me up, Scotty
11:55 PM on 02/05/2011
Thomas Paine: 'The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.'
Zola: 'Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest.'
Religion is mankind's worst plague
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MichaelGuy
Swiis Canton, Dutch Republic, advocate
11:23 PM on 02/05/2011
I suppose there are two areas of disagreement; stem cell research from fetus cadavers and origins of humanity evolution or intelligent design. If we atke the equations, PV=nRT the combined gas laws will function for anyone, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or atheist. The laws of Physics, Chemistry , etc aren;t influenced by any person's beliefs on origins, ethics, or belief or denial in a deity.
As I understand it, a random mutation in the adenine-guanine, cytosine, Thymine or uracil sequences can only occur in the gametes- sex cells of an organism. Massive amounts of codon sequences must be assembled and inserted into an existing genetic code for a viable random mutation to take place. Proteins take thousands of triplicate codons and so a mutation is the alteration or insertion of a set of DNA codon sequences. So an evolutionist must believe this complex new assembly of a specific protein instruction happened in the sex cells of a parent. A paradox is How could an essential protein, necessary for life suddenly come from a parent who did not have this essentiial protein? The chaperone molevcules evolving at the same time is mathematically infentessimal. Binary systems, like feed back hormones also would have to co evolve simultaneously or the creature would die. Example if adrenaline symapthetic nerves evolved independeny of parasympathetic acetyl choline nerves we could not exist. The statistical improbaility of binary feedback mechanisms evolving simulataneously from parents who lacked them is unbelievable The government should not fund theories, just science.
12:08 AM on 02/06/2011
As I understand it, a random mutation in the adenine-gu­anine, cytosine, Thymine or uracil sequences can only occur in the gametes- sex cells of an organism.

That is 100% FALSE....While I'm not going to waste my time attempting to educated a faith-head who copy and pasted a bunch of intelligent design talking points, I will point you in the right direction - Look up Epigenetics.
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ythri
12:09 AM on 02/06/2011
"Massive amounts of codon sequences must be assembled and inserted into an existing genetic code for a viable random mutation to take place."

This is, of course, wrong. There are plenty of point mutations that are viable. You also aren't taking into account things like gene copies which can mutate without affecting the function of the original, viral insertion of DNA into the genome, or many other well established mechanisms for the creation of new genes.

As with every anti-evolution argument I've seen, you have to ignore a lot of current scientific knowledge in order for your argument to appear feasible.