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Punching Back at Big Oil

Posted: 09/24/11 01:43 AM ET

When you challenge Big Oil in Houston, you can bet the industry is going to punch back. So when I wrote in the Houston Chronicle earlier this month that we should say no to the Keystone XL pipeline, I wasn't surprised when the project's chief executive weighed in with a different view.

The corporate rejoinder, written by Alex Pourbaix, president for energy and oil pipelines for the TransCanada Corp., purported to cite "errors" in my oped. Let's set the record straight, point by point.

First, the Keystone XL, as proposed, would run from Canada across the width of our country to Texas oil refineries and ports. It would carry diluted bitumen, a kind of crude oil, produced from the Alberta tar sands. On those points, we all agree.

I say this is a bad idea. It would put farmers, ranchers and croplands at risk across much of the Great Plains. It would feed our costly addiction to oil. And it would wed our future to the destructive production of tar sands crude.

That's where the disagreement begins. Pourbaix claimed it was "not accurate" for me to call tar sands crude "the dirtiest oil on the planet." He cited a report by the Royal Society of Canada that compared Canadian tar sands crude to oil from Libya, Venezuela or the Middle East.

The fact is, producing oil from tar sands generates 17 percent more of the carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions that are warming our planet than conventional oil in this country. It's 19 percent dirtier than Middle East Sour, 13 percent dirtier than Mexican Heavy and 16 percent dirtier than Venezuelan crudes.

Those aren't my numbers. That's what the U.S. State Department concludes in its Final Environmental Impact Statement on the proposed Keystone XL. Anyone who wants to can read it right here.

For that matter, in the very report Pourbaix cites, the Royal Society of Canada itself warns (p 292) that the greenhouse gas emissions from tar sands production "pose a major and growing challenge to Canada's ability to meet national GHG (greenhouse gases) emission reduction targets in keeping with international GHG reduction targets."

As it turns out, tar sands crude is not only the dirtiest oil on the planet, it's so bad it's put Canada's climate change goals in jeopardy. Glad to have the chance to clear that up.

Pourbaix then took issue with my assertion that "the strip mining and drilling" involved in tapping tar sands was putting critical forest land at risk. Pourbaix wrote that "80 percent of the oil is now extracted through drilling, not strip mines."

In fact, 53 percent of all tar sands last year were produced from open mines, according to the Energy Conservation Resources Board, (p 6), the Alberta energy regulator that tracks tar sands production.

Mining and drilling, moreover, both damage the environment and put it at risk of great harm, according to the Pembina Institute, which reports on those risks here.

Next, Pourbaix assures us that "just 0.1 percent of the Canadian boreal forest has been disturbed by oil sands operations over the past 40 years."

Even if that's true, the boreal forest is one of the largest contiguous ecosystems on Earth. Destroying a small portion of that forest is still a lot of destruction. The tar sands region alone covers an area the size of Florida, and the majority of it has already been leased for tar sands production.

Pourbaix claims tar sands crude "is not corrosive or heated." I never claimed it was heated; I pointed out it can reach temperatures as high as 150 degrees F in transit. That sounds hot to me.

As to corrosion, I'll refer to one of the country's foremost experts on pipeline safety, Carl Weimer, executive director of the Pipeline Safety Trust, a non-profit dedicated to making fuels transportation as safe as possible.

At a June 16 hearing of the Energy and Power Subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Weimer was asked whether U.S. pipeline safeguards are adequate for the proposed Keystone XL and the large volumes of tar sands crude -- diluted bitumen, actually -- the pipeline would carry.

"There are some questions about the corrosivity and the abrasiveness and the pressure and the temperature that need to be answered," Weimer said. So far, he said, "we don't now the answers to those questions." Until we do, "we would prefer to wait until those questions are answered before that pipeline moves forward."

During the same hearing, the administrator of the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which regulates U.S. pipelines, was asked whether our present set of integrity requirements -- the guidelines for building, maintaining and operating safe pipelines -- was adequate for dealing with tar sands crude.

Her reply: the requirements were not designed for tar sands crude. Period.

In other words, the nation's highest government safety official and one of our most respected private pipeline safety experts both agreed: tar sands crude poses troubling challenges to pipeline safety that we, as a nation, have yet to address. To move forward would be rolling the dice.

Pourbaix played down the significance of the 14 leaks that have plagued a smaller Keystone pipeline over the first year of its operation. Similarly, he played down the risk such a leak might pose to the Ogallala Aquifer, the most important source of groundwater in the country.

The Ogallala provides drinking water for millions of Americans and nearly a third of our nation's irrigation needs. Most of this aquifer's water is concentrated in a small part of Nebraska called the Sand Hills. The proposed Keystone XL would slice right through that area.

What would a pipeline accident there mean? It could spill as much as 7.9 million gallons of toxic crude oil into the aquifer, contaminating up to 4.9 billion gallons of water in a plume 15 miles long, according to a report released this summer by University of Nebraska professor and environmental engineer John Stansbury.

No oil pipelines currently cross this sensitive region. TransCanada is the first to try because it's the shortest, cheapest route. It's a route the country can't afford to take, one reason why Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman is opposed to the pipeline.

Pourbaix asserts we should all relax, citing the preliminary green light the project's been given by the State Department's environmental review, which Pourbaix calls "one of the most exhaustive ever."

Here again, though, the Environmental Protection Agency has found the State Department's assessment to be flawed at every turn. It's hard to take comfort in that.

Pourbaix falls back on the last refuge of corporate polluters everywhere: the pipeline, he writes, means jobs, 20,000 of them.

That number, though, is inflated more than three-fold, the State Department calculates. And the Cornell Global Labor Institute issued a report concluding that the project might kill more jobs than it creates. Even the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada is opposed.

So much for blind faith and allegiance to industry assumptions.

Finally, Pourbaix reduces his argument to what is, essentially, a threat.

"Americans can either get their oil from a stable, secure and friendly trading partner in Canada," he writes, "or continue to import conflict oil from repressive nations such as Venezuela or the Middle East."

Here's a better idea. Let's build the next generation of energy efficient cars, homes and workplaces. Let's develop wind, solar and other cleaner, safer, more sustainable sources of power and fuel. Let's invest in high-speed rail and smart communities that give us better transportation options.

Let's do these things so we won't need to keep going to the ends of the Earth, ravaging our forests, putting our oceans and workers at risk and creating havoc worldwide to sustain an oil addiction that is sapping our economy and bleeding us dry.

That way, the next time someone from Big Oil comes around asking us to buy into their usual mix of distortions and deception, we'll at least have the option of making up our own minds.

 
 
 
 
 
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quillerm
07:59 PM on 11/07/2011
Why use a safe, underground pipeline to transport oil when we could ship millions of gallons on our highways via polluting trucks. Oil trucks only kill 5000 people each year, and spill thousands of gallons of oil on our roads, that's not a big deal. So what if pipelines are safer, think of all those Union Trucker jobs that would be lost if we used safe, environmentally safe pipelines. We also need to ship more oil on ships instead of pipelines. Pipeline spills are easier to detect and clean up but think of all those Union shipping jobs.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
10:01 AM on 10/24/2011
Hi Robert, you perhaps should have sent us a link to the accurate corporate's rejoinder you quoted. It would be a perfect unbiased view.
Without that, your arguments are relentless.
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dblshell
St. George to the crazies
08:19 AM on 11/04/2011
Hi Lucile S

Since you're too lazy to do the required research, I did it for you. You don't have to thank me, I was going over there anyway. I like to do what's known as 'due diligence' before commenting on a subject.

http://www.chron.com/default/article/Keystone-XL-pipeline-will-bring-jobs-to-U-S-2174891.php

After a thorough read, you will notice that Mr. Redford took apart Mr. Pourboix's argument rather cleanly with accurate, factual based data.

One further point dear, I believe you wanted to to use the words 'useless' or perhaps 'worthless' in your last sentence and not 'relentless'. The difference is not a small one but it's one that you obviously have overlooked. Am I the only one seeing a pattern here?
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
01:58 PM on 11/04/2011
Hi dblshell

I just meant all the opposite. Actually I asked Redford why he didn't send the link of Pourbaix's rejoinder -- as he did with his others sources. And as you did, thanks.
In that way we would have had a complete impartial review -- with both viewpoints. But despite this fact, that is to say despite the fact that the link was not here, I said Redford made convincing arguments. That's a compliment I think.

So I used relentless as 'unrelenting', means which not be counteracted.
05:29 PM on 10/18/2011
It amazes me that all the enviro guys are always all over the oil companies yet no one ever boycotts auto makers....the major reason people drill for oil in the first place...instead you give them billions in gov't bailouts to keep building more vehicles. Until some other type of vehicle is built this a mute point arguing about oil...we need it..otherwise goods and services will cease to make their way around the world...period.
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04:58 PM on 10/05/2011
Our present set of integrity requirements were not designed for tar sands crude? Then why are we even considering allowing this pipeline to be built?

Are they planning on developing the requirements AFTER the project is approved? Maybe TransCanada will be determining the requirements. Considering the way the EPA operates, it sounds plausible to me.

The very concept that we would even allow a pipeline carrying toxic crude oil to run over the world's largest natural aquifer, not to mention known fault lines, is madness.
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rockymtngma
Science rocks!
03:06 PM on 10/01/2011
The ultimate reason to nix this ill-conceived pipeline? The oil will be sold wherever -- it will be sold to Europe or China or whatever nation wants it. So when Big Oil tells you they're building the pipeline to supply the US -- "Americans can either get their oil from a stable, secure and friendly trading partner in Canada, or continue to import conflict oil from repressive nations such as Venezuela or the Middle East." -- they are essentially lying in order to get their way. And that means more profit for them, not more oil for us.
05:24 PM on 10/18/2011
No one is lying...we're just saying buying it from the middle east hasn't exasctly worked out well for you..honestly no-one in Canada cares if you buy it or not. China has lots of money...they own half of the US debt after all.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:16 PM on 09/26/2011
I think I watched a TV program once that showed how the Dixie Chicks nose dived their career when they spoke out against President Bush.
01:03 AM on 10/19/2011
Um, Robert Redford's been around for what, 40-something years is in the twilight of his career. I'm pretty sure he's not really worried about any kind of career "nose dive" because of this. The Dixie Chicks were still young, and rising stars when they expressed their displeasure with Bush.

Lame analogy is lame.
10:52 PM on 09/26/2011
worse yet would be to bring it in by Tanker - where most big spills have happened...
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lambdin1
What's this?
02:16 PM on 09/26/2011
"A bad idea." So does everyone else Mr. Redford! So does everyone else. But when GREED is involved guess which side wins?!?
10:54 PM on 09/26/2011
greed by who? the government that gets the TAXES on the oil?
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quillerm
08:03 PM on 11/07/2011
Are we talking about all those greedy oil consumers that depend on heat, fuel and other oil products in their everyday existence? Fast food companies and Hollywood stars make more profit than oil companies. The only difference is that fast food kills and Hollywood serves no purpose whatsoever.
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SidelineBoy
01:29 PM on 09/26/2011
Sounds great Robert until you break down your argument to 'lets use alternative energy sources.' These don't exist on scale even close to enough to fuel America. So the 'threat' is actually the issue - until there is a replacement - where would you prefer to get your oil? Not a question you seem prepared to answer, probably because life is full of tough decisions, sometimes the answers are lose-lose, and sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils. Continue to prop up the middle east, Libya, Venezuela - where's your ethics now?
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
04:58 PM on 09/26/2011
You are right.

I think it will be really nice to help Canada sell oil to China.

Wonderful idea.
10:55 PM on 09/26/2011
good points. the dopes always think there is some easy solution we can spin up in a year or two. Dreamers......

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09:44 PM on 10/05/2011
Too bad that we didn't try to "spin up" something a long time ago. The opportunities were there and have been all along. But everyone is content to continue to depend on oil because it's already established and continues to be an opportunity for some in this country to make obscene amounts of money.

I'm sorry, but the dopes are those who continue to believe that developing new sources of energy in this country is, excuse the pun, a pipe dream.
07:35 AM on 09/26/2011
Transportation of dangerous materials can be done safely. In the early 21st century we have the technology, the practices and the know how to do this with a very small risk of something actually going wrong.

That doesn't mean it won't go wrong, just as your plane definitely won't crash... but the likelihood of it can be managed to whatever we deem as tolerable levels. (I do risk of asset failure for a job, obvious isn't it)

Oil is not an addiction, it is a practicality and a competitive necessity. Without access to fuel supplies your companies competitiveness reduces, and the ability of the middle classes to enjoy the way of life they currently do is curtailed.

Repeat, it is not an addiction it is a necessity. There is simply no way that alternative fuels or energy supplies can provide the amounts of energy we require to remain competitive and to conserve our standard of living.

The drive to change this comes generally from those whgo can either afford to do so, or want to impose the equality of poverty on us all.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
10:44 AM on 09/26/2011
There are smarter ways of doing anything, though. Many cities used to have electric trolleys for public transport. Why did they disappear? Because of pressure from the oil companies on city governments and the economic prosperity of the 50s and 60s that encouraged everyone to have a car or two. But those trolleys were energy efficient, and are worth looking into again.

Rail transportation should be looked at as the future, not as the past. Aside from high speed rail (and people who use it prefer it to flying, especially with airport security the way it is), the amount of energy required to move cargo along tracks is a fraction of what it takes for semi-trailer units. After the initial oomph to get it moving, you or I could push a rail car containing tons of cargo for miles (at least to the first serious uphill grade).

The world has only a few decades of oil left. If we don't look for smarter ways to handle our energy needs now, our grandkids will REALLY find out what poverty is.
10:58 PM on 09/26/2011
no they disappeared because they were not used. and rail is not as efficient in going places that people need to go to WORK.

the world has 200 years of fossil fuels - that we will not need with any luck....
11:45 PM on 09/26/2011
I agree that there are smarter ways to do anything (everything) and public policy, in your country or in mine (Australia) is nowhere near up to the task at present.

Withdrawing supply, or taxing the output (which is the way the environmental debate is being dealt with, similar issues) only serves to increase the problem as there is presently no alternative to switch to.
10:56 PM on 09/26/2011
Right - we have 250,000,000 gasoline powered cars and more every day .....
11:47 PM on 09/26/2011
We do, rightly or wrongly - we are where we are - and wishing it were different won't make it different.

At present there is simply no viable alternative. There could be, there exists the smarts to come up with something, but at present it does not exist.
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patrickwwalker
10:39 PM on 09/25/2011
It's not a "dumb" idea. It's a stupid one. I agree with the idea that all these threats and blackmailing is to distract people from genuine solutions, and that's reduction. Either we do this now as a society, or experience continued economic pain as prices keep climbing.
10:59 PM on 09/26/2011
do what? NOW is a nifty idea - too bad in the REAL world its not going to happen....
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banana republican
Next in line for crumbs from the King's Table
08:30 PM on 09/25/2011
I say the pipeline is a good idea, and here's why. To get out of this economic mess requires that we generate new revenue. Shuffling money from the rich to the poor accomplishes nothing. We can't bring in new revenue with manufacturing and exporting because everyone else can make it cheaper. We can't export technology because many countries can develop it just as efficiently as we can. The only thing we have that the rest of the world needs is coal, oil, and natural gas. Those energy sources may offend your delicate and finely tuned sensibilities, but that's the way it is, and the sooner you kooks get off your high horse, the sooner we can start moving this country forward again.
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chaz
10:39 PM on 09/25/2011
banana republican,

First the redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the super rich has been going on for thirty years and it has destroyed the country. No society can or has succeeded with such a horrific redistribution of wealth. 400 individuals have more wealth in this country today than the bottom 150 million combined.

The reason we don't manufacture anything is because Republicans insist on crushing the middle class in favor of making CEO and Wall Street billionaires. CEO pay has gone up 500% over the past thirty years and 50,000 factories have closed during the Bush administration.

We export technology every day in order to break unions and the middle class thanks to the REpublican party.

"The only thing we have that the rest of the world needs is coal, oil, and natural gas."

Hello! The resources taken by EXXon Mobile and the rest is there's not ours. The USA doesn't benefit at all by allowing eXxon Mobile or anyone else take our resources.

Some one is lying to you and it's not me.

More proof the Republicans own the media.
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Andrew Harvey
Don't F with the Jesus
05:18 AM on 09/28/2011
Wrong,

I believe you are referring to the "top X percent of Americans Control Y% of the Wealth" chart that gets thrown around in the press from time to time.

Take note: Nearly every time you see that chart, they've cut off the first fifty years worth of data. They've been accumulating those statistics since the late 1920's, and if you had the entire time series, you'd see that the figure is in nearly the same place today as it was nearly 90 years ago.

Wealth distribution fluctuates from year to year, and has increased over the last few decades as the baby-boom generation has aged.

But to state that the "Middle Class" has somehow disappeared if flatly incorrect.
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kennethhdeome
Why can't both sides be wrong?
11:46 PM on 09/25/2011
I'd say one day you may have to eat that horse to survive, except in the world you support that meat will be as contaminated as everything else.

All the American worker asks for is a livable wage, and while some have an exaggerated view of livable, for the most part companies can more than thrive on what the workers don't "take."

It's not an issue of profitability--America is about providing service to your community and earning a living doing so--but these companies want every penny possible no matter the true cost.

I say if you don't want to employ (mostly) American workers you don't automatically deserve all the benefits and protections America provides, even if you as the owner are yourself American.

If you want to do most of your business overseas, then move your headquarters overseas and good luck. If that leaves behind a void we can't survive without, someone will start a like company and fill that void.

Holding American companies accountable for all they receive sure sounds better than destroying the ecology for a few bucks while exporting resources we're told are in short supply to begin with (?).

Free market economics is not good fort anyone but the wealthy, and the fact they're called wealthy to begin with pretty much means they don't have cause for complaint.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m being mauled by a 3-month-old kitten demanding affection.

Fair play does not equal Socialism, rather democracy.
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whyus
San Francisco native
08:18 PM on 09/25/2011
Not only that it endangers the Ogalla water basin, the huge underground natural water reserve we have. That pipe line would go right over it and if an accident or ter rorist action happened, goodbye drinking water for millions.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
10:47 AM on 09/26/2011
A lot of people know their water comes out of a tap -- but have no idea where the water was before that.
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wildbill654
information/misinformation age?
08:17 PM on 09/25/2011
We are very energy hungry, yet have ample supply? Make sense? We have enough coal for at least 300 years. I know this is not high on any enviro's list, but it's there just the same. We have enought natural gas to run this entire country, cars & trucks included for at least the next 200. Sensible policy make sense. The technology that allows deep drilling on water and land is sound - it's humans and human greed that is not. Human smarts fall into this categoy as well, for it's been a pretty active seismic year and if one hits the New Madrid - welcome to the new inferno.
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