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Moody's in a Mood

Posted: 09/12/2012 5:51 pm

The rating agencies are at it again. Moody's Investors Services says it's likely to downgrade U.S. government bonds if Congress and the White House don't reach a budget deal before we go over the so-called "fiscal cliff" on January 2, when $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and tax increases automatically go into effect.

Apparently the credit rating agencies can't decide which is more dangerous to the U.S. economy -- cutting the U.S. budget deficit too quickly, or not having a plan to cut it at all.

Last year's worry was the latter. In the midst of partisan wrangling over raising the nation's debt limit, Standard & Poor's downgraded U.S. debt -- warning that Republicans and Democrats didn't have a credible plan to tame the deficit.

Now Moody's is worried about the opposite: The spending cuts and tax increases in the Budget Control Act that will automatically kick in at the start of 2013 -- unless Congress decides on a better and presumably more gradual approach -- are so draconian they'll push the economy into a recession.

The ratings agency schizophrenia is understandable. Everyone in Washington -- and just about everywhere else -- knows the budget deficit has to be dealt with. But anyone with half a brain (including Washington) also knows that when unemployment is high and economic growth still painfully slow, cutting the deficit too much now would make a bad situation even worse.

Remember, the real problem isn't the deficit per se. It's the deficit in proportion to the size of the economy. Cutting too much too soon will tip the economy into recession because it would reduce overall demand for goods and services when private demand falls way short of what's needed. And if the economy goes into recession and begins to shrink, the ratio of deficit to the economy gets worse. That's the austerity trap Europe has fallen into.

Even if the deficit continues to grow in proportion to the economy, we're safe as long as those who lend money to the U.S. aren't worried about being repaid and therefore don't demand high interest rates in return for their loans.

By this measure, the American economy appears safer than ever. Despite all the harrumphing from the credit-rating agencies, the United States has never been able to borrow money more cheaply than it can right now. That's because no matter how bad the deficit situation looks here, it's worse in places like Spain and Italy. And no matter how deadlocked Congress becomes, the U.S. is still the most stable and reliable system in which to put your savings.

The fiscal cliff is a real worry. And it's a worry precisely because the budget deficit isn't -- at least not now. When unemployment is high and growth is anemic, we need as much fiscal stimulus as we can manage.

As long as the rest of the world is willing to lend us their savings so cheaply, we'd be wise to use it to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and our schools and parks -- and thereby put more Americans back to work -- rather try to cut the deficit too much and too soon.

ROBERT B. REICH, Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers "Aftershock" and "The Work of Nations." His latest is an e-book, "Beyond Outrage," now available in paperback. He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause.

 

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10:33 AM on 09/14/2012
Remember these rating agencies were the one who rated the crap mortgage-backed securities as AAA in a grab for part of the profit pie. There is no reason to believe their ratings of anything and those who rely on them should be very careful with their investment dollars.
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TheAnarchist
Taxes Don't Pay For Anything
10:29 AM on 09/14/2012
http://moslereconomics.com/2012/09/06/1996-washington-post-article/

A Balanced Budget Is Not the Answer

by Michael Johns

In its political toughness with the Clinton White House in recent months, the Republican leadership in Congress has elevated balanced-budget proposals to the top of America’s political agenda. Although at least nominal political differences exist over the means to arrive at this objective, the embrace of a seven-year balanced-budget goal by both Republican congressional leaders and President Clinton represents the most significant shift in the economic thinking of the political elite in perhaps two decades. The concept of balanced budgets has long existed as a weapon in mainstream political rhetoric, but only since the 1994 elections has this rhetoric run the significant possibility of becoming political reality.

There is, for instance, no historical data that would demonstrate that a balanced budget enhances gross domestic product (GDP) or any other indicator of economic productivity. Balanced budget advocates have long contended that the absence of a balanced budget opens the door to a “crowding-out effect? on interest rates, whereby government borrowing actually closes out private borrowing, thus raising interest rates on private credit and slowing the economy.

Without exception, on six consecutive occasions from 1817 until 1930 when government cut spending considerably without simultaneously seeking to stimulate the economy with equally deep tax cuts or other fiscal stimuli, depressions arose. The correlation is a shocking 100 percent. Balanced-budget efforts in America have always preceded national depressions.
07:34 AM on 09/14/2012
Americans have decreasing disposable income... it's the Debt "stupid" The people's debt.
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TheAnarchist
Taxes Don't Pay For Anything
10:31 AM on 09/14/2012
They just don't get it yet they're called upon time after time to tell us what the answers are.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
04:23 AM on 09/14/2012
Someone should ask Moody's -- if we do the following, WILL IT BE OK?

1) Keep the MILITARY part of the sequestration cuts. Saves $50 billion / year.

2) Keep the part of the Bush Tax Cuts that applies to people making under $250K / year, and let the cuts expire for everyone else. That should add about $70 billion / year in revenue.

This scenario would be my ideal. It would keep unemployment reduction on track, would cut some spending (importantly, THE MOST USELESS part of our spending) and raise some taxes, but not so much to trigger a world-wide macroeconomic earthquake.

In fact, by reducing the UNCERTAINTY (a favorite buzzword of Republicans these days) about whether America might default on its existing debts, it might encourage lending, and thus nudge "job creators" to invest in growing their businesses.

Which would add jobs. Which would add additional Federal tax revenues. And hey, we could be looking at 1995 all over again.

How about it, Moody's? IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU?

A lot of nerve they've got, a private company holding so much power over a sovereign country's future...
12:17 AM on 09/14/2012
Dr Reich,
Dean Baker wrote a column that said your idea of keeping the dollar strong has lead to some of our problems now. (That is if i read and interpreted it correctly.) Care to comment? We all could learn something i'm sure. thanks
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
11:39 PM on 09/13/2012
Last year, Standard and Poor's, in justifying the downgrade, cited the failure of Congress to pass a deficit reduction deal- specifically one that raised revenues- of roughly $4 trillion. Now Moody's will downgrade the U.S.' credit rating should Congress fail to avoid the fiscal cliff.

The one constant is the basic request for a plan by the ratings agencies. There was never any doubt about whether the U.S. could pay its debts, but whether Congress would allow it to.

And on this issue, the blame falls squarely on a Republican party that's pledged to never, ever raise taxes, no matter what the circumstances. A party that, according to Romney reject a deal with $10 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases.

At the end of the day, the credit rating agencies have and will continue to carry water for those holding U.S. public debt, who want a guarantee the U.S. will continue to pay. Republican rigidity and absolutism make that impossible.
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R.W. Sanders
Numerous questions, too little expertise
10:46 PM on 09/13/2012
Again, Reich is right for the left. We desperately need a works program ala the new deal. Give the unemployed the dignity of a job and a paycheck. Watch moral improve and this country just take off. Fail to provide such a program and watch millions become homeless, as so many already are. Which is better, a good credit rating from a leech of a company, or actual jobs with actual pay? you decide and let me know what you think. I think there is no decision to be made, just action to be taken.rw
09:15 PM on 09/13/2012
Unfortunately, they can't have it both ways.
08:59 PM on 09/13/2012
Robert, I read your columns/blog. You along with others have helped me understand the real threats to our country. Please do review your usage of the word schizophrenia to mean "split personality". Per Webster's it does not mean that. The continued incorrect usage of schizophrenia in this manner only promotes the continued stigma associated with this disease. "Split personality" would be a better way to express the meaning you conveying.
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Steelerfanman
Dont trickle-down my back and tell me its rain
08:42 PM on 09/13/2012
China and Japan are the ones buying our debt. And that's simply because they will make that money back quickly with the huge trade deficits we have. Plus they can manipulate their currency to ours and exert political power over us by threatening to sell the debt back. Which China has already done. It's in their best interest to help prop us up and keep selling us products. Which employs their people and helps their economy.
08:36 PM on 09/13/2012
The American voting public needs to decided who is going to get their way. None of this "Well, I'm going to vote for the Democrat for President so I'll balance it with a Republican for Congress", or vice versa. If the art of compromise is no longer an option then it's got to be one or the other. Better find out just exactly what you are voting for this time before you vote. There's a fork in the road and we have to be moving along now.
09:18 PM on 09/13/2012
So which of these two parties is actually going to cut the deficit? There's a fork in the road, all right, but neither party seems to be moving along now.
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
06:44 PM on 09/13/2012
In my US Administration dream team, Robert Reich, JD., and Dr. Paul Krugman would have cabinet level positions.
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SteveM39
That's how dad did it, that's how America does it
03:48 PM on 09/13/2012
"The ratings agency schizophrenia is understandable."

I believe this is the most consistent the agencies have ever been.

1) the previous downgrade named the polarization in Washington and the inability to create any solutions as the worst evil. It is still getting worse.

2) There is only one way to tackle a debt issue: you have to outgrow it. Another recession will create another spike in the deficit as the safety nets strain under the weight of millions more Americans in need and tax receipts decline.

We now have fundamental systemic problems with our economy. The Republicans want to double down on exactly what is broken. The dems want to stay the course. Will the dems ever tell the banks to suck up their losses and let the housing market heal? Will Americans ever figure it out? How is it that every 2 years Michelle Bachmann gets sent back to Washington? Or that Rush Limbaugh is still on the air when he spews nothing but ignorance and hate?

I see another ratings drop no matter what. We haven't even begun to admit we have problems.
09:20 PM on 09/13/2012
"There is only one way to tackle a debt issue: you have to outgrow it."

Or, we could take the magic rainbow to the land of the unicorns and ask them to sprinkle magic happy dust on it.
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SteveM39
That's how dad did it, that's how America does it
11:39 AM on 09/14/2012
That option has a name. It is called the "Ryan Plan".
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SteveM39
That's how dad did it, that's how America does it
12:29 AM on 09/15/2012
Or there is this quote from Romney:

"...my plan is to stimulate economic growth. The biggest source of getting the country to a balanced budget is not by raising taxes or by cutting spending."

I guess Romney is riding the rainbow.
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02:35 PM on 09/13/2012
I actually find myself agreeing with a portion of Professor Reich's article. As long as other currencies are doing worse, our creditors will continue to lend to us at the ridiculously low interest rates the Fed has set (ZIRP into 2015? Seriously?). But how long can it last?

Bernanke's new QE 3 to Eternity will be buying up $40 billion in MBS a month from various private banking firms. MBS (mortgage backed securities) are those same toxic instruments that started the 2008 crash. So, the Fed would rather clean the toxic crap from the private banks than invest all that printed from nothing money in US Treasuries. "Collateral transformation" is another ploy in which banks would rather have your toxic mortgage (which it can sell to the Fed) than hold US Treasuries.

What does that tell you about US government credit risk?
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
06:52 PM on 09/13/2012
It tells us nothing at all about the US government credit risk, because taxes are at record lows as a percentage of the GDP.  This being the case, the government can easily raise taxes.  Furthermore, if we did somehow manage to spark significant inflation during a recession, inflation would pay the debt off.  This is the real truth about the national debt - it's insignificant because inflation is continuous.  I can remember when the median house cost $63,000 - inflation pays all long term debts.
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02:47 PM on 09/14/2012
I understand your point about raising taxes, but how far will that go?  We could tax billionaires 100% and it still won't cover the $16 trillion plus.  Consider, too, the economic slow down that impacts our import and export revenues, and the fact that Congress continues to kick fiscal cans down the road. To argue inflation, we need to decide whether we speak of CORE or chained dollar evaluations.  I prefer chained dollar myself since that more accurately depicts the consumer expenditure in the real world. We can respectfully disagree, but I find it interesting that the private bank of the Federal Reserve would rather buy MBS than US Treasury bonds.  If the US economy was doing as well as advertised, would not the Fed prefer to invest in that?  
martman1
retired business owner
01:37 PM on 09/13/2012
We need to get serious about taxing the super rich and large corporations. Revenues from both sources as a percentage of GDP are at historic lows. The large corporations are sitting on about $3 trillion and the top 0.1% are sitting on about $12 trillion.

Here's the supreme irony: Where do you think a huge chunk of this money is invested.......that's right, treasury securities. In other words because the large corporations and super rich were not taxed enough in the first place, the government has to borrow.........and they are borrowing from the very ones who were not taxed enough in the first place!...paying interest on it and saying we need to cut money to the old and the sick because we have borrowed so much. What a racket!
03:05 PM on 09/13/2012
that is an interesting way to think of it.
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12:19 AM on 09/14/2012
So why isn't my 401k invested mainly in government securities earning more interest? I bailed on the stock market mutual funds and bonds when my balance recoverd thinking it couldn't last much longer a few years ago, prior to the 08 crash. Now I'm out probably $20k or more. How is this stock market sustaining these last few years huge growths but I can't make squat on regular savings? What a racket. I'm personally benefitting from a 3.85% mortgage on a relatively small mortgage of 60k as a result of low savings rates, but would rather see more income from my years of savings. The G funds used to pay 6-7%, now maybe 1-2%. Doesn't seem todays economy promotes savings, just more spending. But that's how it's operated for decades - the supply side demand for products and spending. What about people like me who don't spend more than needed? Or what about the increasing population who do not have the money to buy more stuff? Where are these folks going to come from if they have no extra money to spend? I could spend a bit more for more stuff but why? But I did have a new high effecient furnace and new roof installed that helped the local contractor a bit, and have some saved for a house painting. Also considering solar panels if can pencil it out. Trying to to do my little part to help the working folk and small businesses in my town.
martman1
retired business owner
06:40 AM on 09/14/2012
The interest rates on government securities are low because of the high demand for them, both from Fed purchases and from large corporations and the super wealthy looking for a place to put their money. The stock market is doing well primarily because earning per share are increasing. Since the "official" end of the recession in 2009, 93% of total GDP growth has gone to corporate profits while average wages have declined. In the long run this can't continue since, economy wide, the employees and their families are the customers.