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Why Tibet Matters So Much

Posted: 2/17/10

At times like these, I often wonder what normal people might think about the strange behavior of the Chinese government when the Dalai Lama looms on the horizon. President Obama meets all manner of heads of state, even small states, business people, ministers, celebrities, religious leaders, and no one pays that much attention. He already met the Dalai Lama when he was a senator, and now he looks forward to a pleasant chat with one of the most engaging, wise, friendly, and good humored people on their planet. People wouldn't pay that much attention to it if it wasn't that the Chinese government didn't go berserk in public, like it was the end of the world or something!

Isn't it an amazing spectacle, the "rising power" China, largest population, surging economy [supposedly], big military, millions of talented people [just won gold and silver in elegant couples ice dancing], and so on, freaking out because a nice Buddhist monk with a shaved head and only a couple of maroon robes to his name, a stateless man without a country, a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate [who they claim to be a "Tibetan Chinese"], who wants nothing more than friendly, cooperative, peaceful relations with everyone, including the Chinese overlords and occupants of his beloved Tibet, is going to have a cup of hot water [in lieu of tea] and a chat with President Barack Obama, and hopefully extend a hello to Michelle and the girls, if she's free from her excellent organic gardening and they're home from school in time!

What is their problem? Against the feelings and warnings of many of his countrymen, the Dalai Lama wants Tibet to be a fully contributing part of China, achieving economic success and enjoying the genuine autonomy promised to all "minority nationalities" under the Chinese constitution -- but the Chinese insist against all evidence to the contrary that he wants to split Tibet away from them! The Dalai Lama wants to use his legendary reconciliatory skills to help China achieve the "harmonious society" they yearn for -- and the Chinese Communist party officials call him a dangerous reactionary, even a wolf in monk's clothing! The Dalai Lama wants not only to preserve and restore Tibetans' spiritually satisfying Buddhist culture, he wants to help re-kindle the spiritual contentment of the hundreds of millions of traditionally Buddhist Chinese people, helping them to be more patient with the inevitable shortcomings of governments and bureaucracies, and giving them the inner peace that guarantees a better level of social peace. Yet the Chinese openly admit they fear his calming influence over the hearts of his own people and millions of religious Chinese people as well!

The Dalai Lama wants to see Tibet's environment restored, brought back from the brink of devastation due to extinguished wildlife, de-forested valleys, desertified grassland, overpopulated towns, and swiftly melting glaciers that 60 years of Chinese military occupation, extractive industrialization, and unregulated colonization have caused, according to China's own environmental scientists. And Chinese officials warn of terrible dangers if anyone talks to him! And, in case they don't want people to know that world leaders meet and like the Dalai Lama, the Chinese serve as unpaid PR activists, insuring that his every meeting gets world-wide publicity because of their immoderate threats and protests! It is miraculous!

It would even be humorous, if it were not so tragic. All Tibet -- not only the Tibet Autonomous Region [TAR] but also the eleven Tibet Autonomous Prefectures [TAP] of other Chinese provinces that are twice as large and are home to twice as many Tibetans as the TAR -- is under military lock-down, with thousands of Tibetans dead in the last two years, imprisoned for peaceful protests and tortured to break their spirits. Some just "disappeared," and the Chinese cultural genocide program against Tibetan spirituality and even cultural lifestyle is in a terminally intensified mode. One of the worst programs is the forced migration of more than a million Tibetan nomads off their vast grasslands which they have kept green and beautiful for thousands of years [on the pretext that the Tibetans are causing the desertification, which is actually caused by Chinese commercial wool, meat and hide businesses], confiscation of their prosperous herds, and re-settlement in concrete slum housing in city suburbs and put on some sort of dole -- their children schooled in Chinese language and so on.

China has been a great nation during much of the last two millennia, and will undoubtedly be one again. When its leaders recover from their imitation of modern military-industrial dictatorship and re-awaken to the ancient Confucian principle of "the mandate of heaven," they will come to the recognition on Chinese terms to the fact that they are the absolute servants of the Chinese people, not their absolute masters as they currently consider themselves [ the rich dictatorship of the poor proletariat]. Totally false is the claim that Chinese people like autocracy and are happily obedient to dictatorial power, which is used as an excuse for denying them democratic freedoms. Confucius and his followers and generations of Chinese Buddhist leaders all taught respect for individuals, golden rule ethics and compassion in the treatment of people, the centrality of education in training a competent and honorable managerial class, And all the social skills that are required to make a democracy work. And today the world needs the Chinese people to find their own way to their own principled democracy, free of either nominally communist/socialist or overtly capitalist/fascist dictatorship propped up by multi-national corporations in search of cheap labor and docile consumers. If China continues on its present course of trying to outdo 19th century industrialist imperialism and 20th century military-industrial complex supported economic hegemony, it will inevitably clash violently with its biggest neighbors, Russia, Japan, and India, on its way to attempting to overwhelm its global competitor America.

We all need China to return to being itself, recover its own past glories of art and culture and spirituality. Just as the great Han dynasty awoke Chinese liberal individualism and popular creativity after the nightmare of the autocracy of the short-lived because intolerable Chin dynasty of "great wall" notoriety, the globally conscious locally responsible new free China can awaken from the nightmare of the short-lived because intolerable Mao dynasty and come up with a distinctively Chinese form of democratic modernity. If the current leadership wants to benefit from the inevitable transition and become globally popular like Gorbachev, they must act now. If they want to hang on with all their might and try to hold the volcano of the Chinese people's thirst for liberty, they will not get to enjoy the new society that is being born.

The Tibetan people are inveterate high-altitude, semi-nomadic, spiritually fortified individualists, who will always breathe the air of freedom, no matter what is done to them. They are the canaries in the mine shaft of Chinese neo-colonialism, and they are secretly admired by thoughtful Chinese who come to know them [not seduced by simplistic propaganda stereotypes] precisely for their inspiring the freedom-loving Chinese heart. The communist party oligarchy is afraid of them just because their determined insistence on their rights and freedoms is contagious for the Chinese individuals [remember the Beijing University student who cried out at Tiananmen square before the communist party ordered the massacre, "I am an individual!"] Therefore, the Tibetan people need to be supported with all we've got to help turn China's leaders away from unrealistic dreams of world-domination toward the more satisfying responsible creativity of allowing the unfoldment of their peoples' spiritual potential and cultural genius for the good life. Then mighty China will become just in time the friendly partner we need in the formation of our peaceful world community.

The Tibetan plateau is the water-tower of all Asia. The Yellow River, the Yangtse, the Mekong, the Salween, the Iriwaddy, the Brahmaputra, the Ganga and Yamuna, the Indus complex -- all these rivers rise in environmental Tibet, and the cleanness and fertility and glacial cool of the plateau are critical to the health of these nine alluvia thaty sustain the lives of over three billion people, in the most populated swathe of peoples on earth, from the Chinese, through the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, Thai, Burmese, Bangladeshis, Indians, up to the Pakistanis. The de-forestation, dessication, pollution, and overheating due to colonization of the headwater regions of all these rivers will be a global disaster of epic proportions.

So President Barack and Your Holiness, as you two Nobel Peace Prize Laureates meet tomorrow on the fifth day of the lunar New Year of the Iron Tiger, celebrated inTibetan culture as the fortnight of the Buddha miracles, may Jesus and Buddha both shower their blessings upon you both! May you share your visions of a world in harmony of peace and justice! May the POTUS, mythically the most powerful man on earth, and the Dalai Lama, the powerless true man of no rank, enjoy your natural heartfelt friendship quietly, for a moment without pressure of agendas! And from your meeting may the realistic and loving energy of determined freedom and universal responsibility radiate outward and finally inspire your friends in leadership of Great China to quiet down their rabid party functionaries who think their iron rice bowl depends on the strenuous feat of turning a potential best friend into a deadly enemy - and may those leaders themselves step up to the responsibility of changing their policy from stubborn domination to realistic cooperation!

After all, the leaders of China bear many of the horrendous pressures shouldered by the POTUS, and does, and they are probably the only "world leaders" who have never personally met the Dalai Lama and enjoyed his friendship and the kind of realistic reflection a powerful person can only get from the transcendentally powerless! May their curiosity and adventurousness get the better of their fearful caution and may they personally meet soon, for the sake of all life on this earth, unto at least the seventh generation of our great great great great great grandchildren!

Robert A. F. Thurman is Jay Tsong Khapa Professor of Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, President of Tibet House US, and author of Why the Dalai Lama Matters.

 
 
 
At times like these, I often wonder what normal people might think about the strange behavior of the Chinese government when the Dalai Lama looms on the horizon. President Obama meets all manner of he...
At times like these, I often wonder what normal people might think about the strange behavior of the Chinese government when the Dalai Lama looms on the horizon. President Obama meets all manner of he...
 
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12:13 PM on 02/24/2010
Too much religion can cause delusion to some.

Professor Thurman, have some reality check would not hurt. Parents may regret paying a lot $$ to have their kids taught by you.

When is China freaking out of anything?

It isn't clear the momentum of growth in China seriously freaking out many in the West?
12:39 PM on 02/24/2010
No :)
08:04 PM on 02/22/2010
Wow, thanks so much for this clever insight. They say the truth sets you free right? Well, the communist party knows that, and what they are exactly afraid of are qualities of peace and freedom, knowledge and virtue. It is very sad for them that they have built their foundation­s on that kind of fear of the great things in life, very sad. They try to make people satisfied with money in hope people will forget about clean air, dignity, and truth.

http://myt­hisandthat­blog.wordp­ress.com/
06:32 PM on 02/20/2010
Sorry for the string of posts my facebbok went down and HP stopped refreshing­. I swear I'm not this spastic even with my morning coffee!
02:37 PM on 02/19/2010
Thank you, Robert Thurman, for an excellent, informativ­e article on Tibet and for elucidatin­g the truly puzzling, ham-handed behavior of the Chinese government­. The width and breadth of your knowledge on Tibetan culture, history, not to mention Tibetan Buddhism, the Tibetan language, etc. puts you in a truly unique position to comment on this meeting between HH the Dalai Lama and President Obama.

Many of us wonder, like you, what it is about the Chinese government that they obstinatel­y continue along this disastrous path they seem compelled to walk down. Hopefully, someone in the Chinese government will read your article and take pause.
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03:18 AM on 02/20/2010
Thank goodness for China taking action, emancipati­ng the serfs and slayes, ending the gruesome cutting off of arms and legs, ending the harvesting of body parts to make traditiona­l religeous "implement­s," ending the heineous system of corvee, and for bringing equal rights for women, schools for children and pay for work done for all to Tibet. Shame of the leaders of Old Tibet for failing to do so, even after signing the 17 point agreement in 1951, until 1959 they made no progress whatsoever in human rights.

I only wonder why it took China so long to end the suffering of so many people. But thank goodness they finally did so.
06:19 AM on 02/20/2010
LOL, no one in Tibet thinks the Chinese have brought anything but misery. If the Chinese had stuck with the 17 point agreement everything would have been but they completely ignored it. Everything the Dalai Lama asks is in the 17 point agreement but the Chinese insist on saying he is a separatist­.
01:25 PM on 02/20/2010
I will donate my body parts to science and my thigh bone goes to my best friend. Hopefully my thigh bone once corrctly cured can carry a tune. I saw an amazing Chinese exhibit of dead human beings in varies positions. All the organs, flesh, bone and other body parts beautifull­y preserves. If anyone wants after my death you can have the top of my skull, I want it used as a flower planter. I prefer daisies
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12:11 PM on 02/19/2010
one reason tibet matters so much is the medical knowedlge they have my doc fromt ibet has done more for me than any western doc. given up to face a terminal diagnosis years ago. i beat the time line and am her 8 years in the red, the herbs he gives me only come from tibet. they have kept me alive when this illness took my father. HHDL keeps the community together and his western practioner­s together. he is more than words can describe.
long life holiness, happiness and enlightenm­ent for all!
happiness,
Pema
12:55 PM on 02/19/2010
Great story. May you live a long life! Yes, anyone who truly knows HHDL, knows that there is something extraordin­ary there.
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01:52 PM on 02/19/2010
ty quintus!
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09:31 PM on 02/20/2010
extra ordinary, indeed, that is the definition of Ego.
01:16 PM on 02/19/2010
I have some very good friends who just finished the degree in Tibetan medicine..­.http://www­.shangshun­g.org/abou­t/namkhain­orbu/namkh­ainorbu.ph­p

I was able to visit the group for a couple weeks back in 2008. If I had the funding I would get my degree as well. I love the study of herbs and food to promote health and heal illness. Thank you Pema for sharing your story.
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01:56 PM on 02/19/2010
lisa ty !
long life to you,
many happinesse­s!
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09:28 AM on 02/19/2010
Obama's meeting with the Dalai Lama was provocativ­e politics to appease the Tibet-inde­pendance anti-China lobby/indu­stry and always keep China on the defense. These people want that Tibet return to it's theocratic feudal state of the past so that they can have a "Shangrila­" to visit and experience now and then. China has completely changed Tibet and for the better of her people with modern infrastruc­ture. This has liberated young Tibetan minds from her fuedal origins before 1959.

Why is so much anger being generated in the West at China over Tibet but complete silence kept at India over her blatant invasion of independan­t Sikkim in 1973? I think this is bacically an anti-China policy that reflects the old European fears of the awakening the "Yellow Peril" racist ideology of the past.
11:17 AM on 02/19/2010
What you state is pure scripted propaganda­. I bet you have a nice cheat sheet in which you cut and paste from. This is an old technique that villinizes victims so the perp can give themselves an excuse to abuse them. I know people who lived in Tibet before China took over, they are pretty old now, but still have clear memories. I've talked to nomadic refugees who miss their free way of life even through work was hard it was their life to live. I really identify with the nomads my farm life was much like their life. There was never systematiz­ed slavery in traditiona­l Tibetan society and it is also incorrect to characteri­ze old Tibet as feudal. It was certainly not ==>theocra­tic as Buddhists do not believe in ==>God. There was a system of labor and land management in central Tibet that analysts have compared to manorial serfdom, insofar as peasants were hereditari­ly tied to land held by nobles and monasterie­s to whom they owed various services. However, the eastern Tibetan range lands were largely ruled through tribal systems. www.saveti­bet.org/fi­les/docume­nts/Chines­e_Rule_in_­Tibet.pdf
11:43 AM on 02/19/2010
And don't forget that the 13th and 14th Dalai Lama were very much in favor of modernizin­g Tibet and were taking steps in that direction. After the Chinese "liberated­" Tibet in the 1950's the Tibetan people saw their quality of life plummet in every way.
12:59 PM on 02/19/2010
Great post. "Scripted propaganda­" is an apt term. Brainwashe­d another one. I would add "tired" and "irrelevan­t" to that as well. Always the same stupid argument. These CCP shills don't get it; injustice is the same wherever it occurs.
11:40 AM on 02/19/2010
Are you sure your propaganda isn't just a result of "coloniali­sm fear" that China has had since the 1800's. Is "China" even a real country since most of what they claim to rule has been controlled by non-Chines­e for the past 1500 years?
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07:40 PM on 02/18/2010
Mo Religion mo problems.
11:22 AM on 02/19/2010
Religion isn't the problem, the problem is ignorance, aversion and craving. Religion is like a vehicle for the mind. If you don't drive carefully you could end up hurting people.
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05:39 PM on 02/18/2010
"So President Barack and Your Holiness, as you two Nobel Peace Prize Laureates meet tomorrow on the fifth day of the lunar New Year of the Iron Tiger, celebrated inTibetan culture as the fortnight of the Buddha miracles, may Jesus and Buddha both shower their blessings upon you both! May you share your visions of a world in harmony of peace and justice! May the POTUS, mythically the most powerful man on earth, and the Dalai Lama, the powerless true man of no rank, enjoy your natural heartfelt friendship quietly, for a moment without pressure of agendas! And from your meeting may the realistic and loving energy of determined freedom and universal responsibi­lity radiate outward and finally inspire your friends in leadership of Great China to quiet down their rabid party functionar­ies who think their iron rice bowl depends on the strenuous feat of turning a potential best friend into a deadly enemy - and may those leaders themselves step up to the responsibi­lity of changing their policy from stubborn domination to realistic cooperatio­n!"

[Samaya!]

What a beautiful aspiration prayer.

Thank you, Robert!
11:22 AM on 02/18/2010
When you wear a robe, shave your head, and get a Nobel prize, does that somehow absolve your sins?
12:20 PM on 02/18/2010
There is no sin in Buddhism there is cause and effect/kar­ma http://www­.lotsawaho­use.org/he­art_depend­ent_origin­ation.html
03:13 PM on 02/18/2010
Yes, some confusion there be herecomes. Makes little sense.
11:42 PM on 02/18/2010
An equally ridiculous notion.
09:54 AM on 02/18/2010
The Chinese are just waiting for the Dalai to die.

After that what? Tibet would be forgotten.

This has become about the Dalai rather than about Tibet or Tibetens.
11:22 AM on 02/18/2010
You nail it baby.

But I guess CIA can manufactor another Tibetan hero to continue the charade. Couple years ago I already saw a three pages of close-up report in Times Magazine about the next up coming young, handsome and sunny looking Lama.
11:55 PM on 02/18/2010
I don't know if it's all about the CIA. I'm not arguing the CIA gets its nose dirty anywhere imaginable­, but .... Tibetans are not braindead puppets being controlled by remote control by the deep pockets of a CIA that wants to destroy China.

I'm not suggesting you mean this, but when I read Chinese news sources they often like to say all the blame really comes back to some place like the CIA. America didn't win independen­ce alone, without France there would be no USA. I don't think France concocted George Washington out of thin air, in an effort to divide and destroy England. In the same vein, Tibetans have a cause of their own with or without the CIA. If you know many Tibetans, they still call Beijing's-­Panchen Lama that Panchen zuma, and lots of people inside Tibet revere the DL very highly. That's not because of the CIA, that's because China's activities are also highly counterpro­ductive.
11:38 AM on 02/19/2010
The CIA did what exactly? Drop a handful of machine guns into some freedom fighter's hands in 1959? The CIA story is mostly a myth. They never tried to help Tibet to any extent. Tibet dismantled its military hundreds of years ago and then re-dismant­led it during the time after the thirteenth Dalai Lama died.
11:39 AM on 02/18/2010
After that, his next reincarnat­ion will be recognized­, that's all. And it's maddening for the CCP because they can't control that! He has already stated he'll be sure not to be reborn in China. He can also do more for Tibet by being on the outside.
03:00 AM on 02/18/2010
Let's comprise for the greater good of humanity:

The author sounds as if there is actually any real or tangible outcome from the meeting that will shower the world with blessing. But it is going to be one really awkward quick meeting in the White House Map Room with no outcome whatsoever­. It is a political monk and his financial and political sponor meet up.

Meeting Daila is Obama administra­tion's One-Two-Th­ree punch strategy on China at the dawn of the serious pressing Iranian nuc*lear issue. Its usefulness is highly questionab­le. Even if it has little impact on China's decision on Iranian nuc*lear issue, at least it will placade the more and more dissatisif­ied extreme left in Obama's constituen­ts.

Every US president meets with Daila, not because meeting Daila has any consequenc­e on China, but because it symbolic that US president won't buckle under any Chinese pressure. It is a political ritual.

Enjoy the show.
11:37 AM on 02/18/2010
Time for Mikey to tell us all what's REALLY going on, because HE he has the inside scoop. Laughable.
01:41 AM on 02/18/2010
I've got no love for the chinese regime, but Tibet wasn't exactly a paradise for the peasant class before the Chinese occupation­. It was a cruel dictatorsh­ip ruled by a religious monarchy. Torture and oppression were a constant.

I'm not saying that the current Dallai Lama would oppress the peasants in the same way. But it is important to recognize that his status as head of state is illegitima­te and arbitrary. I don't recognize rulers and despots chosen by the clerical class and neither should the people of Tibet. Democracy is the only legitimate form of government­.
02:20 AM on 02/18/2010
The legitimacy of any government­s is expressed by the fact that it governs, not by what the form it SHOULD be.

It exists, therefore it is legitimate­.

When it is removed or overthrown­, it is no longer legitimate for one reason: it no longer governs.
11:13 AM on 02/18/2010
Sorry, I think you are dead wrong about this. Existence of a government is an obviously necessary but certainly not a sufficient condition for legitimacy­. A government that rules over people who are not free and equal is an illegitima­te government­. A government­'s legitimacy comes from the "consent of the governed", and there cannot be consent unless the people are equal under the law.

There is quite a bit of moral and political philosophy on this issue. I recommend that you read it. It shouldn't be difficult to see that someone who is made ruler based on heredity or selected by a priveleged priest class cannot by definition­, be a legitimate ruler.
11:59 AM on 02/19/2010
Wow, you are straight out of 1984. Congratula­tions on fitting the stereotype­!
10:25 AM on 02/18/2010
Whether a Tibet was a paradise from our point of view does not matter. China invaded Tibet, killed millions of Tibetans, is and has displacing millions more, denying Tibetan people practice their religion, language, and cultural ways. As in the majority where nomadic and now are being placed in homes that are totally wrong for their cultural way of life.
11:05 AM on 02/18/2010
There were less than a million Tibetan in the 1950s, how can they all get slaughtere­d while they have enough base to grow into 6 millions today? What is your scientific calculatio­n to make this possible.

Hmmm ... are you talking about Native Americans? There were 90 million Native Americans in early 1800s and by early 1900s, there were only 5 millions left.

Are you sure you are on the right topic?
11:12 AM on 02/18/2010
Here is the growth rate calculator­. The average growth rate is 0.018 (or 1.8%)

You can play with the starting population and the ending population­. And change the growth rate to check how it is possible that with 50 years, after "slaughter­ing" millions of Tibetans, there are still 6 million Tibetans existing.

Sometimes a statement can be easily checked with science.

http://www­.metamorph­osisalpha.­com/ias/po­pulation.p­hp
01:07 AM on 02/18/2010
Namaste'
11:21 PM on 02/17/2010
On Friday, the National Endowment for Democracy will present the Democracy Service Medal to the Dalai Lama, who is already receiving encomiums in the press for his "service to humanity" and the like.

Strange that such a proponent of theocracy would receive a "democracy­" medal, but truly, we live in strange times. When the Dalai Lama came to my small town of Ithaca, New York, he and his entourage were treated like royalty. They took over our most luxurious hostelry in its entirety, his personal chef prepared the meals for this "humble" Buddhist monk, and he was greeted with enthusiasm­, if not reverence everywhere­.

And yet, before the Chinese took over Tibet, brutal as their regime has been, there is good evidence that the rule of the monks in the centuries preceding was more tyrannical­, more despotic, more cruel. European observers told too many tales to be discounted of peasants savagely and ruthlessly discipline­d, with eyes eviscerate­d, arms and legs cut off, and of favorite children abducted to serve as household and sexual slaves for the ruling monks. What one would expect of a rigid theocracy where some 20 percent or more of the population lived in luxurious idleness, ruling the populace with strict religious indoctrina­tion and merciless force.

Theocracy now viewed as democracy, courtesy of communism. We do live in strange times indeed.
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12:54 AM on 02/18/2010
HH the 14th Dalai Lama has spoken many times of the feudal nature of the monastery culture of old Tibet. He is glad those times are over because Tibet must join the nations of the world. He has stated emphatical­ly he is not interested in being the head of Tibet's government­. He hopes that government could be democratic­, little "d" and concedes Tibet must be connected in some way to China.

The Chinese have dioramas set up in Tibet like Disneyland as propaganda tools telling many lies about the monastic system. I am sure crimes did exist, but your examples would be like me saying Catholic priest sexual abuse is the whole story about Catholicis­m. Bigots might say so, but it's not true.

The fact that you use the word "theocracy­" in connection with Buddhism demonstrat­es a profound misunderst­anding of the Buddha's teachings. All of these facts and positions are easy to know. As for being resentful because somehow the Buddhist monks were treated too well by the good people of Ithaca....­.? Well, i really don't know what to say.
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02:00 AM on 02/18/2010
You wrote " he is glad those times are over." Unfortunat­ely, he did nothing to bring an end to the suffering of his own people under the "fuedal nature of the monastic culture of Old Tibet." And, based on his "hell on Earth" speech, I sincerely doubt that he is glad those times are over.

I dare the comment gate keepers to post this,
01:50 AM on 02/18/2010
You forgot to mention that this Dalai Lama was tutored by a Nazi. And you forgot to mention his rival order. There is ill will between the two orders. And, anyone can visit Chengde and see the wonderful replica palace the Chinese built for the Dalai Lama to stay in when he was in China. Oh - the lamas I saw in the lamasery in Beijing were plump and had very good cloth for their robes. No suffering for them.
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02:05 AM on 02/18/2010
Actually, today their are five different "orders" of Tibetan Buddhism, and his sect has attacked most of the others, including, in China, sacking and burning their monestarie­s.
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02:14 AM on 02/18/2010
"Tutored by a Nazi". I know the story of the mountain climber who came into Tibet. Your historical view is twisted.
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10:47 PM on 02/17/2010
the dalai lama is a symbol of a seperatist movement which, by the way, has spurred intense violence. They are not all peace loving spirituali­sts as is continuall­y inferred by proponents­. It is orchestrat­ed to be a direct insult and provocatio­n, that should be pretty easy to see.
This meeting is as much for pushing this latest isolationi­st movement as it is maintainin­g the stratigic cards loaded. The democrats are more protection­ist than anything else so i think this is not so much arm twisting as it is trying to pick a fight.
11:23 PM on 02/17/2010
Always good to know what the CC(sic)P talking points are, so thanks. Blaming the Tibetans betrays your unique attitude.
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11:53 PM on 02/17/2010
i am not blaming the tibetans for anything, it is their cause. I am blaming the US for it's relentless agressive tactics of interferen­ce.
01:52 AM on 02/18/2010
wereevery - Sometimes facts get in the way of beliefs. It was truly primitive in Tibet. An example of the worst exploitati­on of people by religion.
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11:30 PM on 02/17/2010
Perhaps the invasion, occupation­, and colonizati­on has something more to do with spurring violence than pointing out that they happened and are happening.­..