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Robin Quivers

Robin Quivers

Posted: March 8, 2011 02:56 PM

The Charlie Sheen Question


I'm as entertained as anyone with the recent antics of Charlie Sheen, and if capturing the attention of the entire public was the goal, then Charlie is "winning."

Most of us are watching in a kind of awe-inspired horror. This would be great, we think to ourselves, if Charlie was actually in control, if his TV show was still in production and if his kids had not been carted away in the dead of night.

Charlie keeps saying he's tired of hiding who he is. He's tired of apologizing for his behavior and he doesn't see his choices as a problem. After all, he has tiger blood and Adonis DNA; he's special and he's tired of hiding it. This is where, in a free society, one has to ask, just how free are we, really?

Charlie has declared himself in defiance of social etiquette as a guy who does anything he wants to do whenever he wants to do it -- rules be damned. Society is now saying, "We can't stop you, but you won't be working for us, and you can't have custody of your kids".

For a lot of people in America, Charlie's antics are making him more of a role model than ever. They look at Charlie and say, "I want to party with you, man." These are the same people who say, "I love Jackass," and they go to shows where stunt men deliberately get into accidents. It's considered uniquely American to have the freedom to not care what society thinks, even if what you're doing is self destructive.

Most of us care about consequences; that's what keeps us in line. What other people think matters to us. We don't have our own definition of winning. We measure our success against a societal definition. As a result, most of us feel like failures, and as we watch a "free" man, we become frightened.

Charlie Sheen is fascinating, compelling, dangerous and exciting. We know it can't last. Eventually, Charlie will have to surrender and admit failure because too many people are watching. He'll either be reined in or become the societal definition. One way or the other, this will come to an end and we'll all say, "It was fun to watch while it lasted".

The funny thing is, there are lots of people living just like Charlie Sheen and no one is telling them to stop. Their children are not being removed and, if they don't work, many of them get money from the government or live completely outside the law. Charlie's problem is that he's experiencing too much of that societal definition of success and at the same time being too high profile. We all know you can't have it both ways.

 
 
 
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10:46 PM on 03/13/2011
i disagree. i think charlie is no different than keith richards or dennis rodman. but consider the context. he's breaking ground in a way. if anything, he's probably the first network tv guy to so blatantly and defiantly challenge the establishment.
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09:05 PM on 03/13/2011
my sheen question:

When there is some much more important things happening in the world, why do we pay some much attention to a malignant narcissist's meltdown?
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10:53 PM on 03/13/2011
depends on how you define importance. important things happen around the world every day. but we in america are brainwashed into being a "me me me" society that we don't ever pay attention. we consume gasoline like water, despite the pollution that it causes, or the fact that money going to the middle east causes regional conflicts over there or fund terror groups that harm american citizens indirectly. we consume cheap products manufactured in 3rd world country sweatshops. we don't care about public policy unless it hits our pocketbooks.

maybe it's just easier to distract ourselves with sheen than face the ugly reality that is life in the 21st century.
08:56 PM on 03/13/2011
one word sums up this past week.

HIROSHEENA.
12:48 PM on 03/13/2011
These sentences are sensible: Charlie has declared himself in defiance of social etiquette as a guy who does anything he wants to do whenever he wants to do it -- rules be damned. Society is now saying, "We can't stop you, but you won't be working for us, and you can't have custody of your kids... Most of us care about consequences; that's what keeps us in line."

However, Robin, I think you are wrong in thinking this scene of Charlie Sheen is in any way admired by "alot of people". Most of those who have read about Charlie Sheen can see that he is sick and combusting.
You personally work for a man who has been able to keep is "onstage crazy self" and his real life separate. Charlie is unable to do that. Charlie is a product of his choices and those choices are ruling him. He is not showing the personal strength to save himself from his own destruction. Charlie is making the decision to be weak and indulgent. He has declared himself free to self destruct and has that in common with others who have, or should have, received a Darwin Award www.darwinawards.com. Having much money allows him to destroy himself publicly with personal bad choices.
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03:14 PM on 03/13/2011
Amen, personally after a couple of days of watching and then finally realizing that this guy isn't entertaining, he is sick, I stopped watching him. I don't know of anyone who wants to visit a mental ward as a way to entertain themselves, though I don't doubt they are out there. Having watched personal friends flame out with the help of drugs this is a deja vu that I can live without. The sad part to me is how as a nation we enable people who are celebrities to self destruct, then we want to blame their doctors, friends, or families without acknowledging how we were a collective cheering section (2.7 million twitter followers) for their demise. And we never fault them for their bad decisions, that's just so yesterday, money means you don't have to take some personal responsibility, and want to get better. That is unless you're an urban star read rapper, then everything you do is subject to jail time.
06:48 PM on 03/13/2011
The opperative words here are "a lot?" Nobody (except maybe Charlie himself) is saying that the majority of people side with him or that far more people pity or laugh at him than admire him. The point is, for a week or two, Charlie was the most famous man on the planet. More famous even than a man who is equally unbalanced, but far more powerful who was squelching and uprising and killing thousands of his courtryman.

An overwhelming number of people were following the Sheen story. At one point I read that public opinion polls ranks his favorables as outnumbered by unfavarables by about 4-1. If he were a candidate running for office, that would make him a joke. But as an entertainer whose job it is to attract viewers, the numbers are massive. And even if the misguided who admire him are the distinct majority, they still constitute a heck of a lot of people.

And that's important. Maybe not 30 years ago, when three networks determined what we would or wouldn't see. Now there are hundreds, desperate for content and viewers. And the internet, with literally no bar to access. A guy like Sheen will always have an audience, and how many members of that audience have to take inspiration from his "winning" for it to be dangerous?
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09:23 AM on 03/13/2011
Remove sheen being a danger to his kids, or others, and i agree with him that he has the right to do what he wants to . We have the right to ignore him, once that is done. And i intend to. Personally, i make sure i pose a threat to no one else, then i decide what i want to do. I don't feel the need for society, or anyone's approval. A desire to please others will, i believe, lead to an unhappy life.This is not to be confused with a desire to help others, which i believe is health, and constructive. As for society, i believe it's standards are not something anyone should aspire to.
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06:47 AM on 03/13/2011
I disagree with Robin's assertion that Charlie Sheen is "fascinating, compelling, dangerous and exciting". In reality, he's merely an abusive, egotistical substance abuser. We as a society have somehow been duped into believing that people who are attractive and can do a good job of memorizing scripts have some sort of importance beyond the scope of their acting careers. There are thousands of people exactly like him. If he were a teacher...a scientist...a nurse...or a truck driver, he'd have been condemned by the same people who are lionizing him now. Instead, he is labeled "troubled" and gets a pass, like all the others. Kind of sad, when you think about it.
09:15 AM on 03/13/2011
Sheen's behavior is in one way very unattractive because the narcicissism is so evident. I see the same narcicissism in many other people. I saw it in John Edwards long before the Rialle Hunter thing blew up. I see it in Jessy Jackson,the Clintons and several other politicians we all know. Jon Corzine,the former gov. of New Jersey is another. Look at what these guys do rather than what they are saying to take their measure. I have to say that even Newt Gingrich is starting to trouble me. Nothing justifies his behavior to his first two wives. All he should say is "it was wrong".There is no more to say that doesn't make it worse
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03:21 PM on 03/13/2011
Wow Gingrich on his third wife is starting to trouble you but all the others are narcissist. So their politics determines the level of narcissism, that's rich and lame all at the same time. 
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01:59 PM on 03/13/2011
To anyone that has to put up with howard day after day, charlies would seem "fascinating and exciting".
02:01 PM on 03/10/2011
I find Charlie Sheen neither fascinating nor exciting. He, to me, is a one-note bore and I criticize the media for devoting so much print and air space to his repetitive megalomanic ravings. Surely in a world of dynamic and epic events like the labor uprising in Wisconsin and the prospect of a wave of democracy sweeping North Africa and the Middle East, we should be devoting ourselves to a greater understanding of these major trends and how they will influence all of us in the future.We are increasingly superficial and immature if Charlie Sheen-style entertainment is our primary focus.
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01:03 PM on 03/10/2011
Sheen's harmful to himself,his kids,& others.domestic violence assault 4 (with a weapon),with previous D.V. convictions is a serious crime.He has also publicly bragged about possession & use of large quantities of illegal drugs.The average nobody,would have been arrested by now,for use & trafficking.Social Services stepping in was the responsible thing to do.Sheen isn't making rational decisions & is exposing his kids to an unstable environment.His family can petition the court for an involuntary committ for 72 hrs.but most families don't like to do it.At the moment,he will have difficulty seeing his kids without court ordered supervision.I'm more concerned about the kids than sheen.he's headed for relapse (if he hasn't already) & a complete breakdown without a legal intervention.what is his family waiting for?
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01:19 PM on 03/12/2011
I'm not saying that Sheen's actions aren't harmful, but bragging about drug use isn't going to get anyone arrested.

Possession is illegal, but I don't think there are many states that make simple drug use illegal. He would have to be actually caught in possession to be arrested - there's no way to prosecute him for having possessed drugs in the past based only on his own statements admitting use, because he can't be forced to incriminate himself. And there's no evidence that would suggest that he's selling or distributing drugs, which eliminates a drug trafficking charge.
11:40 PM on 03/09/2011
Sheen is probably bi-polar and he's been self medicating (alcohol and drugs) for years. If he's on a manic tear right now he could take it to a place where he's not only dangerous to himself but to people around him. When he crashes it won't be pleasant. How this is so entertaining to modern america is not dissimilar to how the romans were entertained at the ancient colliseum. People love to watch some other person be torn apart and, on top of this, Sheen is also acting out the part of super hero of the id.
10:47 PM on 03/09/2011
I don't see that "lots of people" are living like Charlie Sheen. And if they are living "outside the law" or "getting money from the government," that's a huge divide compared to a man who earned two million per week. If Charlie or any of that lot on his show never worked again they would be set for life.

The reason it can't last isn't because Charlie is right or wrong. It's because he's chosen an action that has too much force not to blow up -- ya know, that old 40's song about an affair: "it was too hot, not to cool down." There's laws at work in nature and that's one of them. Just think of a garden hose. Where is the most force of water located, at the nozzle or at the tip end of the water? Charlie has left the nozzle.
04:36 PM on 03/09/2011
Robin, you being so duplicitous. On the one hand you find Charlie 'fascinating and dangerous', yet conversely you seem to condemn those whose children haven't been removed yet.

As a former medical professional, you must recognize that Charlie Sheen is a very sick man. I don't understand how he can be entertaining or provide content for your show? This is an echo of Artie Lange, and you know how that turned out.
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04:28 PM on 03/09/2011
People do love a train wreck, strange as it is, it's undenieable, call it "Fascination of the Abomination". If you want to do something about it, here's a suggestion. The next time you are driving along the interstate and you see flashing lights off to the side of the road. Don't stop or slow down just to see the show.
04:16 PM on 03/09/2011
It's frightening to me - not "facsinating" nor "entertaining". He does not appear to be happy to me. More, he has such an axe to grind against the world cus "they" won't let him self-destruct the way he wants to. It's all about him - nothing about the oneness of mankind. Hurts to watch - so I quit.
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04:07 PM on 03/09/2011
It is impossible to draw an accurate diagnosis or profile on Charlie Sheen as long as he is under the influence of 7-gram rocks...he would need at least three months to a year to dry out completely. This is standard procedure in drug & alcohol addiction treatment.
"Drug tests don't lie," no, his boys aren't on cocaine, the drug tests prove that(but that status quo is done everyday all throughout society)....people just don't care what goes on off the clock, just don't test positive...
Had his son's mother not intervened, she should have been charged with allowing them to stay in a dangerous situation & lost custody herself.
But Charlie made the biggest mistake of all, biting the hand that fed him.
03:51 PM on 03/09/2011
Sheen is neither exciting nor compelling - but he is dangerous - to himslef and to those around him. it's just so sad to watch someone disintegrate in such a public way - and for those who have enabled and facilitated all of it - shame on you! shame on you for taking advantage of someone who is clearly in a bad place,who is vulnerable and nowhere near responsible for his actions - and all for your own gain - be you the media, or hanger oners, or ex wives or all of the above. be human - reach out and intervene to try and save him for heaven's sake and before he ends up there!