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Confucius and Martin Buber: Understanding Goodness

Posted: 07/10/11 11:10 AM ET

The central Confucian virtue of jen, most often rendered as "goodness," defines the proper relation of one person to another, a relationship always articulated for Confucianism in ethical terms. Its core foundational meaning is best understood in terms of the Confucian virtue of shu, reciprocity, defined by Confucius as: "Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you" (Analects 15:23).

The virtue of goodness thus occupies a critically important position within Confucian teaching. Still, how do we get a handle on the concept of "goodness," its meaning and its actions and how it can be applied in a contemporary context?

Let me suggest a way of understanding Confucian "goodness" through an unlikely comparison -- Confucius and Martin Buber.

One of the great Jewish theologians of the 20th century, Martin Buber (1878-1965) proposed a unique way of describing relationships within humanity and between humanity and God. He used two descriptions that have become emblematic of his teachings and theology in general -- "I and Thou" and "I and It."

Buber's concern was to take notice of the condition in which people live their lives, largely alienated from both humanity and God. Beginning with humanity, we relate to others, but we relate in ways that for Buber never moves beyond regarding the other person as an "object," an "It." Because of this form of relationship, the result is a failure to fully experience the "other" for what her or she actually is fully as a human being: a caring, nurturing and loving being who seeks meaning and purpose in life just as we seek such goals for ourselves. Because of this failure to fully experience the "other" as we would want ourselves experienced, in depth and meaning, there is a fracturing between oneself and others.

When the same issue is applied to the concept of God, Buber argues, the results are the same. God in modern times is largely seen as an object, an "It." In what Buber would consider the most important of human relationships -- the relation to God -- that relation too is fractured and thus alienated.

Thus, whether in our relations to people or to God, humanity and God are only so many "objects." And as objects, they are neither whole nor complete. But the problem does not stop with the object alone. Because neither humanity nor God is whole, in turn we ourselves are not whole. And thus the world we inhabit, from Buber's perspective, is simply incomplete, fractured and alienated. This is the world we have inherited and this is the world we maintain and perpetuate, a world ultimately of little meaning or purpose.

But what of that ideal condition that all religious traditions seek? For Buber, the issue at the foundation of the problem of the world is an issue of relationship. And there is a remedy and a rectification to our plight. The "I and It" relationship can move toward a higher condition with humanity as well as God. Instead of an "I and It" relationship, Buber recommends an "I and Thou" relationship in its place where the "other" is in a shared and meaningful relationship.

To Buber an "I and Thou" relationship can remake the world, for the other is no longer looked upon as an "It," or an object, but as a source of reverence, esteem and closeness that brings the observer into intimate relation with the observed.

And what of that most important relation of the individual to God? Buber suggests that by changing our relation with God from an "I and It" to and "I and Thou," we have made the relation whole, for neither God nor we are any longer fractured. Instead, it is wholeness in relation to wholeness: God is whole and in turn and therefore we are whole. Thus this relation of "I and Thou" brings us to that ideal state of what should be the condition of the world, the endpoint of a religious tradition and of humanity's religious aspirations.

Meanwhile, what about the Confucian virtue of goodness? What, if any, is the comparison with Martin Buber, a 20th century Jewish theologian operating within the context of Abrahamic traditions?

The answer is surprising! There is a remarkable comparison to be made between Confucius' utilization of jen, goodness, and Martin Buber's idea of "I and Thou." The basic definition of goodness from the root meaning of the Chinese character is "person-to-person," that is, the relation of one person to another. If goodness is ever to be made manifest, then it will be found first and foremost in how one person treats another, person to person and person by person. And what is the most basic principle of the relation of one person to another? The relation must be grounded in ethical principle -- the other person must be treated morally.

As for Buber, so also for Confucius! The movement from the present condition of the world to what ought to be the condition of the world is grounded in the relation between the self and others. The relations in need of rectification are those that surround us -- the "other," be it a relative, neighbor, business partner or the virtually limitless arena of relationships that make up the interactions of our daily lives. Confucius even had a term to describe what he considered to be the essential process of making right the relation with others: cheng-ming, rectification of names. Such relationships will be bettered if we think of them in terms of "I and Thou," where we have a moral relation with others as the foundation of interaction.

For Buber, the ultimate relation of greatest importance is between the self and God. For Confucius, that most important relation is between the self and T'ien, Heaven. For both the fundamental definition of relationship is no longer the fractured world of "I and It," but the ideal state of "I and Thou." At the religious level, the parallel is remarkable and insightful. Ultimately, religious meaning is relational and the plight of the world as we know it is all too easy to predict where the "other" is viewed without either moral responsibility or moral consequence.

The message to contemporary society from two different religious perspectives is the necessity of acting through moral reflection in how one interacts not only with others, but also ultimately with one's source of religious authority, be it God or T'ien, Heaven.

 
 
 
The central Confucian virtue of jen, most often rendered as "goodness," defines the proper relation of one person to another, a relationship always articulated for Confucianism in ethical terms. Its c...
The central Confucian virtue of jen, most often rendered as "goodness," defines the proper relation of one person to another, a relationship always articulated for Confucianism in ethical terms. Its c...
 
 
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Rodney L. Taylor, Ph.D.
11:01 AM on 07/15/2011
The take-away point of the Confucius/Buber comparison is the degree to which both thinkers essentially define "goodness" in terms of a changed and transformed relation with others and see this changed status as central to their respective religious goals. It is a particularly interesting comparison because of the inherent meaning of the term for goodness, jen, in Chinese, where the etymology of the Chinese character suggests a type of "relationship" that is fundamental to the core ethical value the word comes to represent. The fascinating point is that while other thinkers could be brought to bear for comparison, Buber hands us "relationship" as the core meaning of religious value by the articulation of the I-and-Thou dynamic. And that relationship is relevant to understanding Confucius.
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Dare to be Nobody in Particular
09:19 AM on 07/11/2011
I have the highest respect for the mystic-philosopher Buber, but I have to disagree. The pronoun people most associate with God is "Him", not "It".

I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter WHAT you call God (which is just a question of semantics, really), but THAT you call God.
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09:12 AM on 07/11/2011
In theory these are grand thought, however, neither of these men met an American politician.
Greed...!
09:09 AM on 07/12/2011
I think it was during his first State of the Union Address that Obama said something along the lines of, "...and we know that the improvement of the human condition will not about not through some magical process of moral development, but rather through the careful management of just institutions...." or something like that. Of course the leader of a government would say that, because it is the theoretical justification of the existence of government. Too bad governments actually arise as the institutionalization of violence. Totally the opposite of the good ol' Confucian view: the leader needs virtue and nothing else. Too bad about the women being mindless part, though.
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Allan Richter
07:13 PM on 07/10/2011
"Let me suggest a way of understanding Confucian "goodness" through an unlikely comparison -- Confucius and Martin Buber." (Taylor).

The relationship is understanable when one is aware of conceptual similarities between Israel's Kabbalah and easter philosophies.

Buber was devoted to the study of Hasidism and issued the first of his volumes on Hassidism in 1906. The Lurianic Kabbalah was highly influential among the Hasidim, who interpreted the Kabbbalah in philosophical and psychological terms. The founder of the Hasidic movement was Israel Baal Shem Tov, in 1760; Schneur Zalman of Lyady (1745 - 18130) the first Lubavitcher rebbe made important contributions to and original elaborations upon the Lurianic symbols.

Sanford L. Drob offers a modern interpretation of the basic symbols and doctrines of kabbalah. His views are filtered through Lurianic Kabbalah and CHABAD Hassidism. In Drob’s book, “Kabbalistic Metaphors, Jewish Mystical Themes in Ancient and Modern Thought” He uses comparative studies to elucidate. One such chapter is “Jewish Mysticism and the Philosophies of India“. Kabbalah acts as a switching station in which the biblical tradition, Eastern mysticism, and Western philosophy converge. .

The contemporary reader will understand Martin Buber with more lucidity after reading Sanfor L. Drob.

Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz also writes extensively on Hasidism and has produced an excellent commentary on the Tanya. Tanya is a classic work of Kabbalah addressed to a then contemporary Hasidic audience. It is not a philosophical work but a guide for living.

(partially paraphrase of Drob)
06:55 PM on 07/10/2011
I thought Jesus said this also in the bible, so if Confucious also taught this, would this be a form of plagerism, or did Confucious ever even heard of Jesus and his teachings. This is in regards to the saying - Do unto others---- Interesting stuff, but a bit to complex for me.
10:51 PM on 07/10/2011
The famous maxim "do unto others" is found in various forms in nearly every culture on earth. It's a behavior that even chimps and other primates display. Those who share often get rewarded for their behavior in a troop of primates, for example. It's worth noting that Jesus did not claim to be revolutionizing our understanding of morality, He simply wished to get across the universal application of it. Recall that many of Jesus' parables are set forth to illustrate what you and I already know; that treating others like you want to be treated is a good thing. It's part of our nature as human beings.
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libwingoflibwing
Leftist Christian, Non-Violent Revolutionary
10:53 PM on 07/10/2011
Confucius was before Jesus. Plus they aren't the only two to state something like this. Almost every religion has something like that.
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jf12
Occupying myself
04:54 PM on 07/10/2011
One problem with Buber is that in his dialogue with the tree, he failed to adequately present the tree's side of the coversation. Also, besides exemplifying the completeness of I-and-Thou, one should first accurately portray the incompleteness of I, as well as the whole process of "and".
10:27 PM on 07/11/2011
buber did pretty well to address the incompleteness of the i, i think. it's difficult to read buber and miss hegel in his ideas. buber comes from a tradition that makes the central claim that we are an 'other' in relation to ourselves.
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methodman
04:36 PM on 07/10/2011
Good in Biblical terms means data sorted. The Garden of Eden myth is about a discussion between declaritive and imperitive conversations. The real meaning of Cain saying I am not my brother's keeper is that the survival machines may have been seized at a later time by the DNA At least that is what the Gospel of Richard Dawkins teaches which I find far more reliable than the fairy tails of the Rabbi's Pastors and Priests.
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01:18 PM on 07/10/2011
...end of para 1:
"Confucius: Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you."

...start of par 2:
"The virtue of goodness thus occupies a critically important position within Confucian teaching."

The leap from "do not do" all the way to "goodness thus occupies" is just too great a jump. "Thus" is a nonsequitor. Short essays may make the explanation transition impossible. I'm not sure. But when "goodness" is abruptly added to the conversation without specific examples, the cultural variances of goodness must be recognized as major interfering factors in any universal goodness. Culture is the major determiner of goodness.

Bubers presupposition of a god and the Confucian presuppostion of a heaven, as ultimate transcendent goals, is speculative and undefined. They can just as easily be called prefered wishes.
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Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
06:09 PM on 07/10/2011
The point is that the part of overcoming self-centeredness is not culturally relative, but is the SAME in Buber and Confucius.

In fact, these two have merely been chosen in this article because for them the similarities of the respective teachings and insights go even much further.

The need for self-transcendence is not subject to cultural determinations. Nor is it a coincidence that enlightened philosophies have arrived at it in their own terms, without explicit reliance on a particular religious tradition.

But that only shows that all of these approaches are compatible, not that you need to choose between them.
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10:02 AM on 07/11/2011
DiogenesOfAlaska

To Confucius the relation to heaven was paramount as the goal and meaning in life.

To Buber the relation to god was paramount as the goal and meaning in life.

Both applied relationship to people as being important but of secondary value.
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Indigo1941
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12:58 PM on 07/10/2011
Comparative Literature often has interesting things to say that contribute to reciprocal understanding. It's a bit of reach but it makes sense. I'm more interested in Confucius in this context than Buber, partly because Buber's so existential theology is largely sentimental affect. I can see comparing Confucius's political goodness to Aristotle's sense of duty to the polis. I don't see much validity to fishing in Buber's mindstream to explain Confucius but it casts an interesting if murkey light on Confucius's teachings
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researcher
03:52 PM on 07/10/2011
political goodness. that is an interesting concept.

check with wash and see how much political goodness you see.

goodness is as goodness does and even then if someone does "goodness" expecting a reward it becomes unauthentic. ie religion defined.
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Nigel Patel
People who are against government, govern badly
05:58 AM on 07/11/2011
Political goodness was destroyed by the corporations who bought our politics.