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Ron Galloway

Posted: October 16, 2007 10:26 AM

Pelosi's Hamfisted Turkey Move


Despite howls of protest from Turkish officials, Nancy Pelosi seems intent on bringing to the floor a resolution condemning Armenian genocide nearly 100 years ago. The debasement and massacre of hundreds of thousands of people clearly merits attention.

But the timing of this resolution is a bit sub-optimal. Why target a genocide which occurred 100 years ago, and not offer a similar resolution against the Japanese for genocide that occurred in World War II, half a century ago? Could it possibly be related to the fact that nearly 70% of all air cargo destined to supply the troops in Iraq passes through Turkey, who thus far have been a reasonably reliable ally?

The Turkish government has indicated they might revoke our ability to send supplies, including new mine-resistant vehicles, if Pelosi follows through with her non-binding resolution. So why now? To complicate Bush's life? You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

Even Barney the Dinosaur could figure out that Pelosi is trying to be too clever by a half with the timing (not the content) of this resolution, and if Barney can, so can a good deal of the American public. I was once criticized on the Jon Stewart show for opining that Americans are smart enough to think for themselves. They are.

It's this type of tactical dissonance that has made Pelosi's first nine months such a rousing failure, if congressional approval polls are to be believed. The Democrats need a leader who plays chess, not hopscotch. Where's Francis Urquhart when you need him?

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11:53 AM on 10/21/2007
Congresswoman Pelosi is truly proof of the Peter Principle. She has risen to her level of incompetence when the voters decided in 2006 that they wanted a change in direction for the country. Actually, it is BIG MONEY that drives the direction of this great country. Welfare of the common American is secondary to keeping the rich ultra rich. Sad but true.
10:02 PM on 10/16/2007
The Democrat Congress in more invested in sabotage than righteousness. This is the latest tactic to surreptitiously undermine the American effort in Iraq from within. Even John Murtha is dubious:

“This happened a long time ago and I don’t know whether it was a massacre or a genocide; that is beside the point,” said Representative John P. Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who is urging Ms. Pelosi to keep the resolution from the floor. “The point is, we have to deal with today’s world.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/washington/17cnd-cong.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp&oref=slogin
08:44 PM on 10/16/2007
Polosi keeps bringing Iraq war funding bills to the floor. She doesn't have to. Then: NO FUNDING...NO WAR!
Instead she brings up a 90 year old grievance we had nothing to do with? What?!?!?1/?!

Lets bring up all the grievances for the past 900 years like the fanatics all over the world do, to get their populations riled up.

Polosi: You are War Mongering!
06:38 PM on 10/16/2007
I am not a conspiracy analyst.
I do believe this congress is held hostage to the rule of this administration.
What other explanation could there be for these capitulations?

They want to degrade our military so to make way for Blackwater and others.
Black water has 50k employees. This is a small army.

Would someone please give me a better reason for this action by democrats, NOW.
Why Now. When our troops are bogged down.

I do not trust any of them and feel something is about to happen.
They want war in the whole middle east.
Why did they sell Saudi Arabia $20b in arms sales two months ago. Isnt $20b excessive?
Why did they up the anty for Israels handout?
$325b annually.
Thats half our defense budget.
This also announced at the same time.

PD51 is only good for one year, from the date of inception.
10:04 PM on 10/16/2007
Blackwater is "guarding" our congress people.
06:14 PM on 10/16/2007
Turkey could lance this boil by saying, "Yah, we did it. 'Let him that is without sin among you [Japan - Korean/Chinese oppression], Russia [Tsarism, Stalinism, Putinism], Germany [you know who], United States [Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Chinese, Africans, etc] cast the first stone')

They could admit it, be done with it, and move on - Armenians will not rest until this is dealt with, and Turkey does no favor to itself to resist this.
03:03 PM on 10/16/2007
mmm... ham and turkey. Is it thanksgiving yet?

Also, I think someone should introduce a resolution condemning the American genocide in Iraq.
02:24 PM on 10/16/2007
At first I thought passing this resolution was crazy - but now I think it's brilliant. We can't seem to get the troops out of Iraq, and voting against the war money is used as a club by the Republicans, so let the Turks do the dirty work ! The Iraq war is a disaster, if we can't use Turkish airports and land routes, we have to get out, right ? So how to do that - recognize the Armenian genocide ! We ARE against genocide, right ? Saddam's attacks against the Kurds were presented as genocide by the Republicans. They also condemn Iran's Ahmadinijad as a Holocaust denier, right ? So can we deny the Armenian holocaust ? Does the passage of years mitigate the atrocity ? Pelosi has been 100% consistent with American values on this issue, the Turks need to face up to their past. If they won't we shouldn't be playing with them. This just shows that oil is all we care about in Iraq. Not killings, not rights, not democracy - just oil. It's also smart of Pelosi to turn the screws to shut off this war. Turkey is an enabler in this disaster. We cry about Iran and Syria helping the dissident Iraqis, don't we ? They at least have legitimate interests in the nation they border.
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02:50 PM on 10/16/2007
Pathetic and dangerous logic. Playing politics with the lives of soldiers. Democrats are shameless and the sheep that support them have numb brains.
03:13 PM on 10/16/2007
BILL CLINTON ASKED DENNY HASTERT to withdraw same resolution for the same reason , to save lives . Way to go Nancy
03:34 PM on 10/16/2007
when your gop president lies to get us into war, you have no right of accusing anyone of "playing politics with our troops"
03:03 PM on 10/16/2007
I only take issue with you failing to give our side credit for something.

It wasn't the Republicans that that presented the genocide carried out by Saddam as GENOCIDE. It was most of the US Senate, it included past Dem Presidents and current Dem presidential candidates.

Of course non of this was a reason to rush into a stupid war. However let's be honest about what really happened. It was genocide and the dems and repubs correctly called it that.
03:58 PM on 10/16/2007
What does that have to do with Turkey, and events that happened 100 years ago???
We are in no position to accuse anybody of genocide. Just ask an American Indian, if you can find one. Just think of all the slaves that died during the middle passage and on American plantations all over the SOUTH!!!!
05:41 PM on 10/16/2007
OF COURSE it was genocide. I never said it wasn't, it was the only truth the Republicans offered in their rush to war. I'm not the one measuring genocide or asking how long ago it happened - it's the Republicans doing that. I don't let Saddam off the hook for that, any more than I let the Turks off the hook. I'm just saying let's be consistent - we invaded Iraq and held up the photos of the dead Kurdish women and children but somehow we don't want to talk about the Armenians, it's "inconvenient" or "a long time ago."
02:18 PM on 10/16/2007
Genocide is morally wrong, but the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide are long dead and Turkey has evolved into the model for a modern secular Moslem country. The real purpose of this resolution is to court votes with the Armenian-American lobby, which is especially influential in Nancy Pelosi's home state of California. The California Armenians, like the Miami Cubans in their singular hatred of Castro's Cuba, are a single-issue lobby and a potent political force. But this resolution only serves to antagonize a valuable ally. Turkey, through it commitment to secularism, is the Moslem country that best represents a rational alternative to Islamic fundementalism. The Japanese and Germans were given the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves at the end of the Second World War, yet some of those responsible for the Bataan death march and the Nazi concentration camps are still alive today! By contrast, Pelosi wants to condemn Turkey for an incident that happened over a hundred years ago, before Ataturks's secular revolution. The Ottoman Empire is history. Pelosi's resolution is domestic political panderering but bad international politics.
03:03 PM on 10/16/2007
Turkey is no model for any modern society. They are STILL committing genocide against the Armenians by demolishing structures (churches, villages) attesting to the Armenians' presence there in the past. They illegally invaded Cyprus in 1974 and still occupy 1/3 of the island. REMEMBER THAT??????? Their penal code guarantees a prison fine for "insulting Turkishness" (in other words, any statement which might bruise the national ego). This is NOT a country which is ready for EU membership and there's no reason why we should be continually blackmailed by Turkey regarding that air base at Incirlik. F*ck them.
05:55 PM on 10/16/2007
I'm all in favor of giving the Turks the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves - ADMIT TO GENOCIDE at be done with it. We all know it's not the modern Turkish state that killed these people, so why won't they admit it ? Stop telling me how long ago it was. If someone killed your family would it matter if it was yesterday or years ago ? I'm not even Armenian and I can understand the principles involved. If Pelosi has a strong Armenian constituency, all the more reason she should represent them. AND do what she can to stop this war.
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ReasonIsMyReligion
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02:15 PM on 10/16/2007
Impeachment. Bush or Pelosi. I've had it.
02:07 PM on 10/16/2007
Nancy Pelosi's father was an effective Congressman and mayor of Baltimore. Her brother, Thomas D'Alessandro, III, was a failed one-term mayor of Baltimore. Pelosi seems more like her brother than her father. Let's honor the victims of genocide by stopping the current genocide in Darfur than on condemning past genocides in Armenia.
03:12 PM on 10/16/2007
Well Put,

Why not concentrate on Darfur?

Answer = No votes there.
04:06 PM on 10/16/2007
Better answer....There's no oil there.
01:41 PM on 10/16/2007
Isn't it also possible that Pelosi is hamming it up with a turkey of an idea? I think there's something to the idea that Pelosi wants to deliver something to California constituents living in and around Saroyan Country, down there in the Raisin Capital of the World. The thing is, there are so many genocides to choose from. Why doesn't Pelosi just make a book recommendation, which is more like her Pacific Heights socialite past? She could tell everyone to read Samantha Power's excellent "A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide." Ms. Power goes into a lot of detail about the attempts of Henry Morgenthau, U.S. Ambassador, to get Pres. Wilson to do something to help the Armenians, but American neutrality re: WW I in 1915 trumped any involvement. In a way, history repeats itself. Now we don't want to acknowledge the Armenian genocide, which was, tellingly, called the "annihilation of a Christian race" way back when, because it will mess us up where another war is concerned. America leads a complicated life. It's so hard for us to do the right thing because we're always messed up in come compromising situation. So the resolution could simply say, we condemn all the genocides in Samantha Power's book. Fair compromise. The Turks probably wouldn't mind as long as they're thrown in with the Holocaust, Kosovo, Rwanda, Bosnia, Srebenica, Kurds & Shia in Iraq during Saddam, Cambodia and all these other horrors that festoon our happy human history.
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GuyRC
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01:37 PM on 10/16/2007
I voted for Pelosi, no way I would vote for a republican. But these look back resolutions are meaningless to me. So what if a majority of representatives agree that something in the past was genocide. What about the things going on now.
01:35 PM on 10/16/2007
It's called hardball. If Bush backs off, and reveres his veto of SCHIP, I think it likely that Nancy will back down. Let's face it, Bush is pretty hard line unless you've got something he wants to trade for.

So if Bush wants to appease Turkey, he can give Nancy something the Democrats want. The resolution can then quietly not appear on the calendar, or the Senate can vote on a different version and the reconciliation not be finished till after Congress ends, etc.

If Bush does not want to appease Turkey, then maybe this is not that important. After all, much of the reason Turkey is irritated at the U.S. is not this {admittedly pointless nonbinding} resolution, but the result of US arms intended for Iraqi Kurdish militia, or the PEJAK, being used against the Turks by the PKK. Other countries, including Turkey, consider the PEJAK to be merely an arm of the PKK, not an independent organization.

The decision to arm the Kurds was an executive branch decision. No one seems to question it, but it is the reason the Turkish army wants to move into Iraq. So let's stop knocking Pelosi over this, and bring a little balance into our analysis.
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joebaggadonuts
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02:20 PM on 10/16/2007
I think your analysis is correct Zenobius.
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Wilson33
02:53 PM on 10/16/2007
Its called playing politics with soldiers lives. Let's get real about this. Hardball my ass, it is pure political antics and it is suicide for the Dems.

I wonder what our soldiers think about this latest insane development via the Dems?
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Canukistani
03:42 PM on 10/16/2007
Probably about the same thing as they think of Bush rattling his sabre about Iran. I don't think that looks like a much better path to take. There are consequences there too.
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Canukistani
01:32 PM on 10/16/2007
To me the question is, when would be a good time? Is there a time that we could anticipate that Turkey would welcome this resolution and not threaten to take any action?
02:50 PM on 10/16/2007
Or a better question would be: why do you need a resolution for that? Is this the job of politicians to decide, without even doing a credible research on that?

Are you too afraid of what the historians may decide on considering that the historians supporting Armenian genocide ran away from a joint study group (that was supposed to include researchers supporting each side) to investigate all the available documents on this subject?

Anyway, I sincerely hope that this would pass from the Senate. Cause after that if Turkey, using unarguable documents, can make US to take back that decision showing the inaccuracy of the resolution, this would be the biggest blow to the supporters of Armenian Genocide around the world...
03:37 PM on 10/16/2007
Correct me if I'm wrong but the US Govt. has already officially declared it a genocide some 30-40 yrs ago.

So I guess a good time would have been back when they did it before. How many times do you have to call it genocide...every couple of decades?

Maybe now would be a good time to figure out how to stop the current genocides so we don't have to have this conversation 100yrs from NOW.
04:22 PM on 10/16/2007
The issue is not giving it a name. The issue is to take the steps forward to bring the situation to a level of asking Turkey to pay back, by asking it to give Armenia some of its grounds and a large amount of money.

And, I am positive that, after they get that, they will start telling you, call it those tragic events whatever you like, we got what we had desired for a long time (dating back to maybe a century before that events took place), I don't really care about what had happened a century ago.
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Canukistani
04:42 PM on 10/16/2007
Interesting. I haven't seen anything indicating that there has ever been an official US condemnation of this although I know this issue has been brought up a number of times. Could you tell us where you referenced this info, please?
01:32 PM on 10/16/2007
Things in politics usually happen for several reasons. Many of these reasons are usually unknown. It is interesting to note that the French just passed a bill punishing a denial of an Armenian genocide so one has to wonder why we, the U.S. are following lock step with the French at just about the same exact moment. There is possibly international politics going on and those in the know are not telling. Maybe it has something to do with Turkey's bid for a seat in the European Union (EU) which many countries are against for obvious reasons.