When first avowing his religious credentials for president, Barack Obama said -- and then repeated many times since -- that "secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering the public square." The party that will soon nominate Obama is to be praised for its acceptance of and respect for its religious members. However, it is the nonbelievers who are now being ignored.
Hearing of the plans for the prayer/unity/values event leading off the convention on August 24, Ron Millar, Associate Director of the Secular Coalition for America, wrote a letter on July 2 to Leah Daughtry, CEO of the Democratic National Committee and planner of the "big tent" event. He asked Daughtry if nontheistic Americans were welcome and, if so, how this would be manifested.
While not replying directly to the Coalition, Daughtry did discuss the request with the Associated Press. "Atheists speaking at an interfaith service ... does that work?" a "befuddled" Daughtry was quoted as asking in a July 19 story by the AP's Eric Gorski. "I don't quite know. But they're part of the party, you treat them with respect."
The first sign that treating them with respect was not a priority for Daughtry after all was her lumping all notheists--who include not only agnostics but also humanists, skeptics, and believers in spirit but not a personal god--under "atheists." And the second came with the announcement of the lineup for what had once been thought of as a "values" and a "unity" event: no one represents the millions of secularists. Daughtry: "Democrats have been, are and will continue to be people of faith - and this interfaith gathering is proof of that."
But what about those Democrats who are not "people of faith"? Are they not invited? Or invited just to watch others pray? Should their own outlook not even be acknowledged?
If the Democrats are trying to strike unifying chords among their entire kaleidoscopic range of liberals, moderates, and progressives, it should be obvious that secularists cannot dare be left out of the "big tent" event, and that it should be about beliefs and values, not solely about religion.
Secularists remember all too painfully one of the most dramatic presidential addresses in American history. At the National Cathedral three days after September 11, 2001, the president's speech so filled with religious language that it was virtually a sermon. As he delivered it, Bush stood flanked by Jewish, Muslim, and Christian representatives, with no one invited to stand alongside them whose presence might acknowledge the existence of the tens of millions of secular Americans. At this most important collective moment in the recent history of the United States, it was as if their president was telling them that they did not exist. The United States had become a nation of believers.
Yet one of the most remarkable implications of the data presented in the new Pew U.S. Religious Landscape Survey is that atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, and believers in an impersonal God or universal spirit -- people who do not believe in God at all or who do not believe in a traditional God -- will be a huge share, perhaps as much as 40 percent of Democratic voters in November.
Another Pew discovery: Two out of every three Americans say that their moral values do not come primarily from religion. In other words, whatever their faith, these are people who live largely or wholly secular lives.
It turns out that deciding to welcome faith into the public square was the easy part. Now the rest of the Democrats -- the many with underlying beliefs that can't be neatly categorized as "religious"--must be invited to join the political conversation as well.
Thomas Jefferson glimpsed such problems when he called for a "wall of separation" between church and state, treating the first as private and the second as public. In any case, excluding some so that others feel included is no way to create common ground.
"Ronald Aronson is the author of Living Without God, published by Counterpoint Press and now in bookstores."
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And this guy was a constitutional law professor? Heaven help us born again atheists.
Imagine no religion, Barack, I wonder if you can...
If the DNCC becomes a Jesus Fest, let me state as clearly and simply as I can:
They do not speak for me and they do not reflect my views.
That said I will still vote Obama as the only alternative to McCain
Agreed. Once again the Democratic party is proudly running under the GOP Lite banner. They solemnly promise not to do quite as much damage quite as fast as the other guy.
If you feel you must vote (and I've long since stopped telling people they "should") then I suggest holding your nose and voting for Obama.
The president of the United States is the personification of the Constitution. His personal religious views have no place in their decision making. Let me repeat that: religious views have no place in decision making.
The president ensures the protection of the rights of all people by upholding the Constitution, which treats ALL people, regardless of their belief or belief, as equal. Most atheists are secularists, and secularists believe all people have a right to practice whatever ridiculous superstition they choose; however, the caveat is that faith is private and out of politics.
There are more atheists in the US than there are jews, for example; so where the hell is our atheistic lobby?
McCain is in the pockets of lunatics, whereas Obama panders to them. Still, I'll take the latter - but everyone should cringe. I
**I want a president who is completely rational in making decisions: he shouldn't be seeking guidance from a unprovable sky-father who doesn't respond.
Who doesn't respond to you, you mean.
he's not running for congress or the city council. he's runnng for president. of 300 million people. over ninety percent of whom think of themselves as some type of christian. you remember the christians. the ones who have decided every single presidential election in u.s. history. you may also recall jimmy carter, a (loudly) born-again fundamentalist christian who, by coincidence, was the last democratic prez candidate to actually get 50 percent of the vote.
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even the precious, beloved, bill "who needs votes when you have ross perot?" clinton makes a big, big show of going to church with his "wife" and "daughter.
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90% think of themselves as Christian? That seems a little high
90%+???
Sorry 78.4% and falling.
Non-religious however is the fastest growing "religious" group in the US. Oh and we are not keen on being told to shut up and go to the back of the bus so we have a habit of voting as opposed to the average citizen who is sure somebody will go out and vote for the nice white Christian man.
If you think you can get shave more religious folks off the GOP than non-religious folks who normally vote Dem them by all means do so. Throw us under the bus, just don't expect us to help or forgive.
Puskara
You made more sense with this post Puskara:
Well nobody said that credulous people cannot listen to reason and facts. I am not sure that they deserve special adulation for being reasonal and rational in one area of life. In the end, if they turn around their flocks then I agree it is a good thing for us all. Perhaps if they educate their flocks on the facts and reason it will encourage them to use logic and reason more in their normal lives.
posted Sep 27, 2006 at 08:12:11
I actually agree with what you say, but don't you think Obama is trying to change the way religious evangelicals think? According to your post above that's how I interpret it and from what I've heard Obama say in the past it is also what he thinks. There will be no "throwing anybody under the bus". LOL! I have to laugh at all these one liners these days.
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