Experience vs. Inspiration
When I fly in an airplane I want the pilot with the most experience, not the one who can inspire hope in me that I get to where I am going. When I pay my taxes, I want the person filing them to be experienced, not the new person who inspires hope in me that he can do the job. When I hire someone to fix my washing machine, I want the tried and true experienced person, not the one who inspires me to hope that he can fix it. When I go to the doctor I do not want to get the one who inspires hope in me that s/he can cure what's wrong, but the one who knows what the hell to do the minute I call. It's not really the job of a public servant to inspire, but to get the job that the people demand done. The democrats think that if they have hope and are inspired things will get better, but they actually won't. When Oprah makes her employees sign her fifty page non-disclosure statement, she doesn't "hope" they can't break it, she pays teams of experienced lawyers to MAKE SURE they can't break it, or be sued in an experienced court by an experienced judge.
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Let's run with Rosanne's argument. Does Oprah have the experience to write a 50 page legal document? Is Oprah an experienced lawyer? Isn't it really Oprah's job to inspire? I don't understand the analogy.
She's using less-than-artful rhetoric, not reason.
SeekerOne:
Your inexperience - shines all over your statement.
Obama has more legislative experience than Clinton. He has more years in elected office than she.
First Lady experience is just that.
So I assume then you're voting for John McCain. I mean he IS the most experienced candidate of the election. In terms of things like time served in the US Senate and the military.
But if you don't just mean time in the US Senate, because presumably you're voting for Hillary (where pssst, she would lose to McCain if that's your argument) than actually Obama has more experience in just time spent in elected office. He served two terms in the state Senate of a big and complicated state, whereas Hillary was married to a guy who was elected for a lot of things.
And if we count all of experience from when either candidate left college, which evidently Hillary is, because she says she has 35 year of experience, she graduated law school at 25, she's 60 now, so that means she counts every single thing she did, whether in the private sector or just by being married to some guy that got elected, as her experience.
And Hillary is older than Obama, so if we're counting every single experience they had from graduating Law school, of course she has more years. She's older. But if you look at percentage of their lives devoted to public issues and not say, being a part of a private Law firm for profit only (*cough Rose cough*) than Obama wins over Hillary, but probably not over McCain. Which is why she's unwise for framing her debate this way.
Unwise for the Dem candidate who will eventually have to face McCain.
WHAT experience are you talking about? First Lady experience?
Obama has more legislative experience than Clinton. He has more years in elected office than she.
The truth is that Bill Clinton does not want his wife - Hillary Rodham Clinton - to become the next President of the United States.
Obvious, no?
blame somebody anybody but Hillary
Right on Roseanne! I hope people will see the real light before it's too late.
Yes, I agree - I'd never want a pilot or doctor as INCOMPETENT and with a record of as much FAILURE as Hillary!
Good points Roseanne. Of course, you'll be slammed for it, Still, good job.
It is a good post, Roseanne. The problem is, I know too much already about Hillary Clinton's experience for her to be my first choice. And I don't mean the inuendo stuff, or the political triangulation that is so obvious (look how her campaign is just running everything up the flagpole, regardless of how it will look for the eventual nominee in November). One reason not to vote for Sen. Clinton is that she supported the banks over the little guys on bankruptcy "reform" a couple of years ago, while Sen. Obama did not. You know, the credit card companies that continue to get away with jacking up your interest rate to 30%, even if you've never been late for a payment with that card, based on changes in your credit report? I like and admire Sen. Clinton in many ways, and will without hesitation pull the lever for her should she become the nominee, same as the other 7 guys. But Obama was perhaps my fourth choice and Clinton my fifth, and it comes down mainly to their politics, health plans etc. At least you, Roseanne are not scolding me for buying into the patriarchy. Thanks for that at least.
smartest thing roseanne has ever said....
kudos for telling it LIKE IT REALLY IS........
you rock...for once
you guys are missing the point.
Her experience is the wrong experience.
All she did in the white house was set us up for failure in the 00's.
I would like someone...
Let's take a look at those three years and you will find someone who voted to give George Bush authority to wage a war that was totally uncalled for. She voted to give George Bush the authority to circumvent the Constitution and rape our Bill of Rights. She voted to allow American jobs to be packed up and moved to India and China. And those are just a few.
Let's look at being Bill's spouse. You don't get experience by being someone's wife or husband. It's not something that gained through osmosis, because if that were the case M. Lewinski should be a viable candidate.
Or is it that after graduating from Law School, she went to work for the Children's Defense Fund? Ever thought that that might have been the only job she could get? Because I have, it was not long after that (10 months) she jumped to John Nussbaum's staff as an aide in Nixon's impeachment. Six months after that she was teaching Law at the University of Arkansas, that lasted a year. Yes she has experience, experience at not being able to keep a job. The longest job Senator Clinton has held is
Or could it be that she is on the Board of Director's of WalMart? You know those stores that are always bragging about cutting prices. The same stores that sell 70% plus of their merchandise that's made in China, the same stores that have closed down so many smaller store owners.
I'm sorry I digress. Let me get back to my original question. Someone please explain to me why Hillary Clinton has SO MUCH more experience to be President than Barack Obama?
the white house janitorial staff has more experience than hrc
have any of you ever seen a transcript of one of her rants.....
wonder how many ashtrays she has broken since hussein has realed off 11 straight..
Wow, there are very few moments in life when I am truly shocked ... and this is one!
Roseanne Barr actually states a reasonable argument that makes sense and is true. Thank you for a valid perspective that I hope more people share in the coming weeks!
Roseanne, you are SO RIGHT! I would NEVER get into a plane with a pilot who had a history of crashing them. Like Hillary, who completely SCREWED UP any chance we'd get universal health care in the 90's! I'd NEVER go to a doctor who made decisions that killed patient after patient. Like Hillary, who voted for the Iraq war without even reading the intelligence reports.
Wow, Roseanne, I agree. Someone with that kind of history of unmitigated FAILURE should never be president.
http://tra
Roseanne VOTE FOR McCAIN
Professor says if experience counts, Hillary should vote for McCain
David Davenport is a former president of Pepperdine University, where he still teaches public policy, and a research fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford University.
He's bemused by Hillary Clinton's argument that she deserves the Democratic presidential nomination because she's so much more experienced than Barack Obama.
"Hillary Clinton says experience counts, but what is her experience, really?" he says in this short audio commentary for Townhall.c
"I asked my wife, who was close by when I served as a university president for 15 years, whether she felt prepared now to run a college. She correctly said, 'No.' "
If experience really counts, he concludes, "look for John McCain to be our next president.
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Pepperdine University is where Kenneth Starr works.
Try again.
Besides! Does Hillary know how to fly a plane?
Does she know the difference between .223Rem
ammo and the new 6.8Rem ammo? Has she
experienced the ill-effects of NAFTA? Has
she experienced personal trouble with health
care lately? And has she suffered the wraths
of ..er ...I'll save the spy-stuff for later!
LOL
Talk about oversimplification. If you think this ountry doesn't need to be inspired then I don't knoiw where you have been these last 7 plus years.
Speaking of planes when I get on an airplane I don't expect the pilot's wife to be able to fly the plane just because she is married to him.
Yeah just a tad. When you are done reading this look here: http://www
We must say that it is not only oversimplification; but it is comparing oranges to sour apples.
The only requirements that the constitution mentions, for qualification for president, "are 35 years old, native born".
From the presidents we have had the last 40 years, it is a low bar, which Barack Obama,
can surpass and jump over. He seems to be the brainiest person to run for president in quite a long while.
We love to say that from past experience,
of all the people that have been elected, over the last 40 years, Barack Obama seems to be overqualified to be president; and seems to have more brains that the position seems to call for.
Enough said.
It is time we stood up for something.
Yes, We Can!
Hillary Clinton has an IQ of 140 and is a Rhodes Scholar. She is the most brilliant women in politics. Good enough for me.
Plus, I like her. She is smart, savvy and tough.
I'll take a bitch over a little bitch any day.
I'd rather have monica fly my plane!
or Jennifer , or Juanita, or ..........
No Roseanne, the main function of a president is, in fact, to persuade everyone within earshot: Congress, foreign politicians, industry, labor, America, and the world generally. Unlike hiring a dentist or mechanic, when you vote for prez, you're not electing a technician, or even an administrator or a general. There are specialists who do that stuff. Mainly you're voting for someone who you think--or hope--has both a coherent program, and enough political, rhetorical, and social skill to cajole, inspire, threaten, and convince Congress and America that the program will work.
Experience: Richard Nixon, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert McNamara, Lyndon Johnson, George Bush
Inexperience: Abe Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, Franklin Rooseveldt, Jimmie Carter
So what does experience really mean? Of those above who did well, it was the ones who had common sense, were not wedded to failed policies of the past and could INSPIRE us to go beyond ourselves and our small interests.
We must say that it is not only oversimplification; but it is comparing oranges to sour apples.
The only requirements that the constitution mentions, for qualification for president, "are 35 years old, native born".
From the presidents we have had the last 40 years, it is a low bar, which Barack Obama,
can surpass and jump over. He seems to be the brainiest person to run for president in quite a long while.
We love to say that from past experience,
of all the people that have been elected, over the last 40 years, Barack Obama seems to be overqualified to be president; and seems to have more brains that the position seems to call for.
Enough said.
It is time we stood up for something.
Yes, We Can!
That's exactly right Roseanne. Why don't people see this?
Because it's a false analogy. Citizens are the pilots of their own plane. They need leaders who remind them of that.
That is total BS, and you should know that. Why do people get on here and say crap like this? We are citizens of our own plane. The US is a republic with governing bodies. We can no more go to Washington to run the government, than Cubans can. Obama is "inspirational" but being able to repeat a speech eloquently is not enough. I hear so much about "inspiration". THey have speech writers people!!!! His policies aren't new, they are the same ones we have been trying to get passed for a while with a stalled congress. Voting for someone because they are inspiring is more of the US citizens voting for someone they wanted to have a beer with (GWB), look where that got us.
Because behind the experience curtain lie
SOS! NEW EXPERIENCE PLEASE!
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