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I don't trust Obama with my retirement insurance, do you?

Posted: 12/14/10 03:50 PM ET

Contemplate what this statement means: "Most of our long term debt and deficit has to do with Social Security". It's a pretty banal falsehood. Social Security has never contributed a dime to any deficit or debt. It's fully self-funding and has been for the past 70-plus years. Even in the worst-case scenario, where we don't lift the cap on payroll taxes, Social Security won't contribute to the debt or deficit - it will merely pay 75% of due benefits after the year 2037.

What's truly stunning, and should be terrifying to the 85% of Americans who oppose Social Security cuts, is who believes that "most of our long term debt and deficit has to do with Social Security".

Whomever believes this statement to be true, or claims to believe it true, or would actually utter it, is not someone I trust to guard my Social Security. That person would have to be a liar, or someone looking for an excuse to raid Social Security to pay off unpaid bills. Unpaid bills that have come from lost revenues. Revenues lost from, say, tax cuts for millionaires.

The President of the United States believes that the fully-self-funding Social Security program contributes to the deficit and the debt. He said as much just the other day on NPR . He believes it so much that he wants to prove it to you by selling a you a tax compromise, which will, for the first time since I've been alive anyway, actually cause Social Security to contribute to the deficit. His compromise includes a 2% Social Security Payroll Tax "holiday", which will be made up from General Fund revenues.

You follow that? He is messing with the self-funding mechanism of Social Security, the political and fiscal bedrock of this incredibly successful program, to provide a tax cut which could just as easily come from the General Fund like Bush's famous rebate checks.

I don't trust him with my retirement insurance, do you?

from NPR:
OBAMA: Actually, I think that if you talk to economists, both conservative and liberal, what they'll say is the problem is not next year. The problem is, how are we dealing with our medium-term debt and deficit, and how are we dealing with our long-term debt and deficit? And most of that has to do with entitlements, particularly Social Security and Medicaid.

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07:51 PM on 12/29/2010
I do not want any of their General Fund revenues contaminating my Social Security. We have to turn that money down. That is the only way we can stay solvent from them and Obama will have to learn that money is not now or ever has been part of the debt. He has that idea because they use Social Security money to run the government with. If they would have kept their hands out of Social Security they wouldn't have to worry how they can get out of paying it back. They couldn't stand the thought of all that money sitting there and they couldn't have it. They had to devise ways to get it.
I want to start a movement to get a class action law-suit against the government to take the power away from them so they can't make any decisions on Social Security. It is our money, we should have the say on what should or shouldn't be done with it. They want to play with someone's money let them play with their own retirement plan or better yet lets merge it and then see how eager they are to make cuts.
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never let the truth get in the way of a good story
09:46 AM on 12/19/2010
No, I don't trust anybody but FDR with my retirement insurance.
12:46 PM on 12/17/2010
I don't trust Republicans with my retirement funds!
They have a habit of directing any national wealth they get their hands on to the top 2% wealthiest in this country!
alas, I"m not in that category...
06:39 PM on 12/16/2010
FDR established Social Security as a separate tax and separate from the General Budget- exactly so republicans couldn't use the federal debt as a reason to kill the program -

he also made it funded by a capped tax EXACTLY so the rich couldn't complain they don't get heir fair cut!

now Obama wants to do away with that!
08:51 AM on 12/16/2010
Watch for is when they say that entitlement programs take up too much of the budget.
They said yesterday that the entitlements take 60% of the budget.

What they don't say is they keep cutting taxes so the amount in the budget is getting ridiculously low.

60% of $1000 is $600. 60% of 100,000 is 60,000. 30% of $1000 is $00. 30% of $100,000 is $30,000

The more they cut the tax income of the federal government the higher the percentage the entitlements will be.

It is another sneaky trick. Social Security should not be part of the budget, but when they start paying back the bonds, they will whine it is taking too much of the budget.
08:18 PM on 12/15/2010
A compromise that would have made sense would be to give the rich the tax cut extension, but only in exchange for raising the ceiling on SS tax up to $250,000. If this wasn't good enough for them, just let the Bush era tax cuts expire. Everybody loses because the GOP wanted to throw
a tantrum.

As for the question you asked... I wouldn't trust Obama to give me correct change for a dollar. I've lost all faith in the guy, and will support just about any potential challengers in 2012. If the Democrats cannot produce a worthy challenger, I will never vote for that party again. They've given us nothing but Republican wannabes for as long as I can remember.
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10:22 PM on 12/27/2010
well said F&F
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11:14 AM on 12/15/2010
No.Don't post this one either.
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11:13 AM on 12/15/2010
No.
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11:12 AM on 12/15/2010
Hell no.
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06:40 PM on 12/14/2010
Obama's ACTIONS today SPEAK LOUDER THAN the WORDS of his campaign of yesterday. A campaign of "Hope" for our country does not coincide with the degradation of the middle class. A leader who becomes involved with tearing apart Social Security is clearly the wrong candidate for the Democrats. Now is the time for Democrats to find a candidate for 2012 who can handle the issues of our nation to the likes of FDR.
05:10 PM on 12/14/2010
SOCIAL SECURITY CANNOT ADD TO DEFICIT

SOCIAL SECURITY CANNOT ADD TO DEFICIT

SOCIAL SECURITY CANNOT ADD TO DEFICT

"Social Security, by law, cannot add to the deficit. It is a separate program, paid into through FICA contributions, with benefits paid only from the revenue it raises. If the trust fund were to be exhausted and current contributions were not adequate to pay benefits, Social Security could not borrow from the general budget. Federal law prohibits Social Security from borrowing."
http://www.seolawfirm.com/2010/09/social-security-and-the-deficit-commission-myths-and-realities/

*imho*
04:40 PM on 12/14/2010
I read about his statements on NPR today. I was disgusted. Who'd have thought a Democrat would be the one to destroy the one self-funding and efficient program in the federal government, especially one that keeps 22 million senior citizens from living in abject poverty.

This should be the main on this blog.
08:03 PM on 12/15/2010
I've actually been convinced for some time now that Obama is just a Republican acting as a Democrat. He supports privatizing schools and Social Security, tax cuts for the rich, an increased military budget, an expanded military role in Pakistan, and has had a two year love affair with the criminals on Wall Street. Even the healthcare bill was just the GOP version from 1993. Sounds like a Republican to me...
11:40 PM on 12/15/2010
walks like a duck, talks like a duck....
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01:19 PM on 12/17/2010
yep. Obama is a "New Democrat"-- with these values--

â– a robust foreign policy--hence the expansion in Afghanistan, and now sadly into Pakistan also
â– free trade--NAFTA and S Korea trade agreement
â– pro-growth
â– anti-union--think teachers, nurses, laborers
â– pro-corporation,
â– a belief in markets as the solution
â– de-regulation
â– privatizing education and support for charter schools

I guess we can add privatizing Social Security to that list.