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Why Revenge Is Pointless

Posted: 08/25/10 01:30 PM ET

It was an ordinary afternoon, and I logged onto Facebook to kill the last few minutes of the workday. Mixed among the usual status updates about baseball teams and weekend plans, was a troubling declaration from my friend Layla (name has been changed). Layla lamented that kids were picking on her daughter at school and she was frustrated at the lack of concern by the bullies' parents. The virtual peanut gallery ran to Layla's rescue and offered soothing comments and the-same-thing-happened-to-my-kid stories.

I stared at the computer in wonder. Once upon a time, Layla was the teenage tormentor. She wasn't the type to physically hurt someone, but she was the quintessential frenemy. If you were on her good side, life was great. Woe to you if you were not. She was manipulative and just plain mean. She would embarrass you in front of a group of people, criticize relentlessly and start vicious rumors. Reading her status update made me think "Layla, you know exactly what goes on in the minds of insensitive adolescents. Use that to your advantage now."

Let me be clear: I don't wish any harm on Layla's daughter. I was picked on often as a kid (comes with being tall and awkward), and hearing about bullying breaks my heart. I also don't harbor any resentment toward Layla regarding the rumors she spread about me in seventh grade. I don't care. If I cared I wouldn't be her virtual friend now. This situation interests me because it appears to be karma, but it's not. Karma only counts if Layla allows this situation to make her feel some sort of remorse for the way she treated people in her younger years. From what I could tell, her only concern was garnering sympathy for what her daughter was going through. (In fairness, my only gauge of the situation was a Facebook status update.)

Man-Made Karma
This brings me to revenge. Revenge is when one tries to control karma. You don't want to wait for the universe to pay someone back, so you do it yourself. I've certainly tried my hand at revenge. The incident that stands out the most took place my sophomore year of college. I was seeing a guy who was being unfaithful to his girlfriend. The more into the relationship we got, the more indignant he became. He blamed me for the situation -- as if he had nothing to do with it. I got fed up and decided I'd make sure his girlfriend found out what he was doing. "That'll show him!" I thought. "Once she finds out, she'll break his heart and then he'll know how I feel."

My revenge didn't go as planned. The result was they both blamed me. She did not leave him in the dust the way I had hoped. I imagine it hurt less for both of them to hold me accountable -- that way she didn't have to deal with him and he didn't have to deal with himself.

Revenge is pointless because no matter what you do you cannot make someone see things the way you see them. If you drop a piano on your philandering ex-husband's Lamborghini, all he will see is his baby broken into bits and he will feel sorry for himself. He will not necessarily understand and apologize for the pain and suffering he put you through. He will also call the police, which he is well within his rights to do.

We the people have a hard time seeing beyond ourselves. We only see how we are treated and aren't on the lookout for the effects of our actions on others. When I was playing collegiate mistress, all I could see was how badly the guy was treating me. I didn't think of the pain I was causing his girlfriend.

Revenge is also a foolproof way to let someone know they get to you. This gives a person a lot of power -- knowing that they can break you down. Don't give that power to anyone. It's better to ignore the emotional offender. I know it's not instantly gratifying, but in the long run it's the best thing to do.

The Good News
There is a silver lining. If someone is going to feel bad for the way they once treated you, they will do so all on their own. You don't have to do a thing. Case in point: the guy who treated me poorly in college, found me five years later and apologized. He apologized so many times I asked him to stop. He then asked if I would consider dating him. I said no.

In the same way, I have looked back on a handful of situations and realized I was really, really wrong. In some cases, I have gone back and apologized. Admitting you were or are wrong is liberating. It means you take your life into your own hands and you can change the bad behavior. If you hold everyone else responsible then you give them power over your life. This is what truly selfish people do -- hold everyone else accountable, and that is why you cannot teach them a lesson. In their own minds, they are infallible. I say let them live (miserably) in their own minds, and I'll be on my way.

 
 
 

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09:59 PM on 10/03/2010
Going through a divorce, there were times when I would pass my ex’s car parked in front of a bar in the wee hours, tempting me to engage the panic button, or parking it in a different spot. In retrospect, I’m glad that I didn’t do anything, because if anything, seeing the car was a downer after my share of fun late night outings. “Khanti” brings up a good point, “we can forgive but we cannot forget.” I can’t “take a mulligan” if I followed through with my mischievous thoughts of moving the car or engaging the panic button. As innocuous as these acts may seem, imagine how difficult it would be to take back an action of greater magnitude? I’d rather be remembered as someone who has taken the high road, than to be remembered as being evil. Samara, thank you for reinforcing “the good news,” reassuring us that “…if someone is going to feel bad for the way they once treated you, they will do so all on their own.”
09:58 PM on 10/03/2010
Revenge can be a way to express dissatisfaction in response to inconvenience or pain being caused. Like Samara said in the Lamborghini example, revenge won’t necessarily make the person understand your perspective and what pain it may have caused you. What saddens me is that there may be people out there who may exert their power to break you down, knowing that you’re experiencing some form of discomfort.
It’s the 21st century, and it’s sad to see that bullying is alive and well in most age brackets, expanding into cyberspace. It’s important to look into the underlying factors causing the aggressor to initiate the bullying, whether it be fear, death in the family, or worse, a perpetuating cycle of bullying as a result of being bullied.
I mention bullying, because similar underlying factors which contribute to becoming the aggressor may be intertwined with people who gain satisfaction from knowing that you’re experiencing some form of pain.
With bullying at the workplace, disciplinary action and counseling may help the aggressor to get back on track. In a situation where someone is in a relationship as a couple, it may take a lot of time and a few wake-up calls.
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Mister Biggles
06:58 AM on 08/30/2010
Also, I love that at no point does she take responsibility for her knowingly seeing a guy with a girlfriend.
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Mister Biggles
06:57 AM on 08/30/2010
"Revenge is when one tries to control karma. You don't want to wait for the universe to pay someone back, so you do it yourself."

Exactly.

There is no such thing as karma. The only justice is the justice we make, and we live in an unjust world. When society fails are justice, we call it revenge...think of it as self serve justice.
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Majestry
12:59 AM on 08/31/2010
Exactly! The world isn't fair and sometimes you have to even the tables for the sake of your own sanity. An eye for an eye.
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Mister Biggles
07:35 AM on 08/31/2010
Actually... An eye for an eye is the silliest argument I have ever
heard. You have two people. One is minding their own business. The
other is going around poking people's eyes out. You are telling me
that they deserve the same fate? No way...TWO eyes for an eye. And
if it's a criminal case where a bleeding heart jury or parole board
is involved, I believe in TEN eyes for an eye, just in case the
sentence is reduced.
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Mister Biggles
07:47 AM on 08/31/2010
I promise you I formatted that post much better than that. I hope
this is a glitch that is going to be fixed...not a new tool
here...condensing everything into one paragraph. It will make the
comments unreadable.
04:53 PM on 08/29/2010
Revenge is a perception problem most of the time. One's person honest mistake is another person's he's out to get me. Another dimension is how long the process takes to figure out you are being taken advantage of. If it's long that's not good.
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Marcus01
It all just seems like it's real
02:31 PM on 08/29/2010
Revenge is pointless and only brings undesirable karma. Forgiveness is powerful and negates karma.
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khanti
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10:09 PM on 08/28/2010
You have grasp the concept of not taking revenge very well Ms Samara. In a deeper aspect consider this phrase 'We can forgive but we cannot forget'. Recollection is one of our mind tool. We can push an unhappy incident and try to hide it way deep in our mind but it is still there that is why you can still remember Layla and what she did to you. But we can forgive. Forgiving means to let go of hatred.
Now before you go on saying I do not have hatred towards her consider this; our memory of an incident is from our emotional reaction to things. The greater is our emotional reaction the stronger the incident is impressed into our mind. When the condition is not ripe the memory of this incident may not arise but when some present sitiuation is ripe then we recollect the situation in an instant and usually the unpleasant feelings related to it give rise first.
In other words the subtle form of hatred is just dislike. All emotional states like jealousy, ill will, revenge etc., etc. fall into this dislike stage. This is karma. It takes two to tango. An unhappy incident is lodge into the minds of those involved. It could be collective karma if more than two person is involved.
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jeffrey678
You don't happen to make it. You make it happen.
09:43 PM on 08/27/2010
I never waste my time on negative people. Burn me once and I move on. It's never worth the trouble.
12:09 PM on 08/27/2010
Although we should always speak up for ourselves and right wrongs in a dignified and healthy manner, Karma is absolute and strict; and I truly believe in cause and effect, and the beautiful thing about that is that you don't have to do anything, it will naturally happen. What one puts out is what they will get back at some time or another, and I've seen it constantly happen to bad people; And although I never wish bad upon anybody, I tend to feel sorry for them because they appear to be so miserable and unhappy, and not know or understand the law of retribution. The thing that some find hard to believe is that sometimes, you'll get the effect through another, which can make one suffer even more such as in the story above. Gaining revenge can only hurt you, and that says a lot about you if needing to carry it out. As others say, being the best you can be, and proving someone wrong can help you turn a negative into a positive: changing poison into medicine, and you can make it work, striving harder to be even better than you could've had they said nothing; and they will get their's naturally from the universe. Yes, Karma can be a b***h! But we must see and learn the lessons from our mistakes, and be much better humans from it. That's what life's all about!
03:20 PM on 08/26/2010
I don't want revenge but I will stand up for myself. Each time that I decided to take the high road at work or play, the rumour or accusation was always believed by the masses because I did nothing to defend myself. Now, I stand up for myself and if someone says something about me that is mean and untrue, I defend myself. History taught me that if you "take the high road" this is what the mean person count's on - they do not count on you defending yourself or confonting them.
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07:40 PM on 08/26/2010
Patricia, I certainly advocate standing up for yourself. I don't think it's revenge, it's common sense! In some cases silence speaks volumes, but in others one must defend the Self.
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awarg
02:19 PM on 08/26/2010
The best revenge is living well and taking care of yourself. :)
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Samara O'Shea
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07:37 PM on 08/26/2010
Agreed!
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Samara O'Shea
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01:59 PM on 08/26/2010
Majestry, you and I have such different views on this, the only thing we can do is agree to disagree.

FBuchan, I believe revenge is all about intent. My intention, at the time, was to hurt him. I imagine some women in the same situation might tell the other girl because they have a moment of contrition and feel bad for what they’ve done. That wasn’t me. I was being wronged and sought to even the score. I was out to get him, so that’s why I call it revenge. Revenge can take many forms. As you stated, it’s about the motivation behind the action.
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Mister Biggles
07:01 PM on 08/30/2010
You were in no way being wronged, though.

You knew he had a girlfriend BEFORE you started dating him, right?
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Majestry
12:57 AM on 08/31/2010
Plus, your attempt at revenge could have been much better. I mean, he cheated with you so you could have probably gotten him to cheat with someone else and get him infected with herpes or something. You know, really stick it to him and you could have the satisfaction of hurting him with the added level of satisfaction of him not knowing that you knew and orchestrated the plot. A true victory!
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cyranorox
I dare do all that may become a man
01:50 PM on 08/26/2010
You're mistaken. Revenge consists precisely in causing the wrongdoer to condemn his wrong action, with remorse and grief. If you can do this without wrongdoing of your own, it's a perfect success.

if you only hurt another in some degree you think proportional or condign, you are not revenging but punishing. This is likely a bad action and, as you are not a judge and jury, likely a new wrong.
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CWPCreator
A ruckus maker for the left...the far left
01:19 PM on 08/26/2010
The Punisher calls it punishment. I know that movie isn't well regarded, but I'd say, that's a clear case of some very good revenge. I mean, Travolta's character killed his whole family, so the Punisher turned the tables. He even made Travolta responsible for killing his own best friend and wife. I think, if that were real, in the end, Travolta would have known exactly how Frank Castle felt if not worse.
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Majestry
12:24 AM on 08/26/2010
I strongly disagree with the assertion that revenge is pointless. Revenge is excellent. In order to make someone else suffer, however, you must understand that person and get inside their head. You will never be able to unless you can understand what makes the other person feel what they feel and you must be able to manipulate situations to get the desired result. Making someone suffer requires planning, skill, and desire. The best revenge is when your target doesn't even know that it is happening.
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nikanj
free the fnords
06:53 PM on 08/30/2010
So disturbing.
And what happens if the perceived reason you are seeking
revenge is based on totally false premises ?
Which appear to be true, to you ?
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Mister Biggles
07:03 PM on 08/30/2010
We have a word for that.

Ooops.

In the meantime, the guilty should pay...some way, some how...

Karma is a lie to get you to let the guilty have free reign.
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Majestry
12:55 AM on 08/31/2010
That assumes that I wouldn't be able to see the truth which isn't a very realistic assumption.