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Sandip Roy

Sandip Roy

Posted: January 28, 2010 04:01 AM

Did Obama Kill Immigration Reform in the State of the Union?

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I think President Obama just killed comprehensive immigration reform.

If he did, he killed it gently, with a pat on the head. Actually to be fair, he did not kill it. He sent it to the back of the bus. Behind the gays and lesbians.

The gays got the promise of the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. And a reminder that he's already given them Employee Non-Discrimination.

Immigration reform got a casual platitude.

And we should continue the work of fixing our broken immigration system -- to secure our borders, enforce our laws, and ensure that everyone who plays by the rules can contribute to our economy and enrich our nations.

12 million undocumented immigrants deserved more than those 38 words.

"Continue the work of fixing our broken immigration system."

Does that imply that Congress or the White House have been already busy fixing our broken immigration system? Were they doing it during the rest breaks in the middle of health care reform gridlock? If so, I missed the memo.

Yes, Department of Homeland Security has been tweaking the system, re-examining Bush-era diktats, looking at the conditions of detention centers. But that's not fixing a broken system, it's not even duct taping it. That is just sweeping at the edges with a fly whisk.

But it says something for our nation's mood that President Obama felt more confident promising repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell than taking on the immigration hot potato. Perhaps the defenders of Prop 8 in the courts in San Francisco had a point when they said that gays don't need the protection of the court. It's a community with a lot of political clout already.

The tragedy is, that when the cultural tides are sweeping towards gay marriage, the president offered gays the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell -- a promise that seemed fresh and exciting in the first days of the Clinton presidency. Now it seems like yesterday's leftover promise.

But at least gays got the leftovers. The immigrants who had demanded comprehensive immigration reform were gently told "Not right now. With 10 percent unemployment, it's too risky. We must wait for the right time."

I remember when they would tell that to the gays.

 
 
 
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01:17 PM on 02/05/2010
First it was 12 Million years ago it's closer to 20 MILLION now !!!! And ALL THEY DESERVE IS DEPORTATION , and this Congress and Senate need to be voted out for pandering to them !!!!!
AMERICAS had enough of our neighbors to the South breaking into our homeland and robbing us blind and DEMANDING WE REWARD THEM FOR THEIR CRIMES !!!!!
12:48 AM on 01/31/2010
"And we should continue the work of fixing our broken immigration system -- to secure our borders, enforce our laws, and ensure that everyone who plays by the rules can contribute to our economy and enrich our nations."
The President's words were music to my ears. I only hope he keeps to them.

"12 million undocumented immigrants deserved more than those 38 words."
12 million ILLEGAL ALIENS don't "deserve" anything. They are sucking our systems dry and need to return to their own countries. We need to heavily fine those who hire ILLEGALS and the jobs would dry up. ILLEGALS would self deport leaving jobs that AMERICANS and LEGAL immigrants could take.

"The immigrants who had demanded comprehensive immigration reform were gently told "Not right now." ILLEGALS shouldn't be "demanding" anything. We need to demand that they LEAVE OUR COUNTRY!
12:34 PM on 01/29/2010
Obama better soon learn that the American will never accept any form of amnesty for these illegal aliens.

Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and one would have to be almost blind not to see this. How much longer do we have to support these illegal aliens? How much longer do we have to school their illegal alien children? How much longer are we going to let them have our jobs? How much longer are we going to put up with all the crime, stolen identities, forged documents, fake green cards? How much longer are we going to allow these illegal aliens to send money out of this Country and bring our Country down? Oh, amnesty will correct all this. WRONG! Nothing will change except we wouldn't be able to call them illegal aliens any more. Let's get rid of these illegal aliens! Let's get them back to their own Country where they belong with their families.

NO AMNESTY! ENFORCE THE LAW!
07:42 AM on 01/29/2010
Finally some one says it. Immigration reform killed health care reform. Is it any coincidencce this was where the now infamous "You lie" came from. The fact is you are paying for it now and covering EVERYONE makes more sense than building a beauracracy of exclusion, something the republican party is an expert at. Now they just have to grow up and say "They got what they wanted" take their ball and go on home. Time heals all wounds, even those accorded the anal status.
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06:32 PM on 01/28/2010
All of the rights gays are demanding illegal immigrants already have. Maybe you shouldn't be so upset they get one bus ride where they can sit in front of you.
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07:16 PM on 01/28/2010
i didnt say i was upset oafishcad. I just remarked on the fact that gays got more time in the speech than immigrants. Does not usually happen that way. It is true those here illegally do have the rights gays have - for example to serve in the army?
12:51 AM on 01/31/2010
I don't want ILLEGALS serving in our army - they need to go home and serve in their own countries.
05:27 PM on 01/28/2010
It doesn't matter. They just would have been words on a teleprompter anyway.
02:33 PM on 01/28/2010
When discussing immigration reform, I think it's important to point out that it's not about illegal immigrants, but legal immigrants working in America in jobs that there are not enough Americans trained in this field to fill (e.g. nurses, software engineers). These legal immigrants also create jobs not take away jobs, for example, Google's founder was an immigrant that went on to start a company and hire tons of Americans. Skilled immigrants are good for the economy, not bad. We need these trained engineers, particularly to fuel our high-tech industry and stay competitive. If we don't welcome them to the US, they will take their skills elsewhere and we will lose our competitive edge. A big part of America's innovative economy is its ability to welcome immigrants (we are a nation of immigrants like no other) and in effect, brain drain the rest of the world. It's because of this, that we are the world leader in science, innovation and high-technology.
02:59 PM on 01/28/2010
I am 100% in favor of a skilled immigration system that lets in all US college graduates automatically and favors any and all immigrants who have skills that are in demand beyond what the US citizen base can provide.

I am 100% opposed to illegal immigration of unskilled workers who take jobs from those who already have trouble finding work. We have more then enough construction workers, until we're back at full employment there should be a big "America is full" sign laid out through employer enforcement.

If immigrants want to come here, earn it. Get a degree, learn some useful skills. There are no foreigners with PHDs in Engineering or advanced nurse training that have to jump the fence.

"Bring us your best, your brightest, your most productive so that America can remain a shining beacon of progress" let that be the immigration mantra for the 21st century information economy.
03:54 PM on 01/28/2010
Well said! Illegal immigrants want to begin their lives in this country by breaking the law, first by coming in illegally, then by remaining here illegally, and finally by working here illegally. Anybody who comes here without permission should be entitled only to a free ride to the border, and anybody who comes in illegally a second time should lose the right to ever gain citizenship.
06:05 PM on 02/18/2010
On the other hand, there are also many unskilled, undocumented immigrants who are not in the construction business- but in the health care business at low paying jobs that most Americans are not interested in doing. People who have come here years ago, perhaps not by the best paper trail, but are not any other way breaking the law, but are doing their best to survive in this country while paying into our tax system should not be sent away. They should be given an opportunity to pay a fine for their poor judgement on the paper trail and allowed to prove themselves as a contributing, hard working person in society. Many persons in this country will not take the jobs that some immigrants are willing to take, such as the aides in nursing homes who work 7 days a week, two and three jobs to make a better life for their family. These people are not purposely "sneaking" across any borders with criminal intent or intent to become a burden on society by being dependent upon the system, they just made poor choices in how they were able to arrive here and now want to change that and become lawful participants in all aspects of American life.
04:02 PM on 01/28/2010
There are millions of young American citizens looking for work who can't afford an education to compete with these "skilled immigrants". The truth is it is cheaper for American corporations to hire trained foreigners than to pay the taxes that would train our own people.
02:26 PM on 01/28/2010
Good grief, Charlie Brown. SMDH
02:14 PM on 01/28/2010
Two spelling mistakes: "Illegal" is not spelled "undocumented" and "aliens" is not spelled "immigrants".

The US welcomes 3 million new citizens from other countries every year. I didn't know this is a problem.

Consider this: You've occasionally had a friend or two sleep over at your house I imagine.Right? What if you came home and discovered a few dozen people you never met suddenly living in your house?
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07:14 PM on 01/28/2010
Actually Liberal2 legal immigrants are also officially aliens according to the US government. The green card makes your a permanent resident alien.
12:55 AM on 01/31/2010
But they are not ILLEGAL.
02:05 PM on 01/28/2010
The president HAS to prioritize. Healthcare reform, which at one point Obama said he expected to be on his desk by LAST August still isn't resolved. The economy is still sluggish. One and a half years after wall street melted down, we still haven't done a thing to correct the issues that brought our economy to the brink. And clean energy and cap and trade so far have only been talked about. So yes, it absolutely sucks for many many people that immigration reform is getting the short end of the stick, but which priority should it be moved ahead of? The comparison to don't ask don't tell is a little flawed, because ending DADT should only require a fraction of congressional resources that enactung comprehensive immigration reform would.
01:50 PM on 01/28/2010
Nothing stirs up the worst of the Tea Party rightwingers like their hatred for illegal immigrants.

Obama was wise to low-key that issue in his speech.

As he was wise to low-key foreign policy issues. Bush announced the "axis of evil" (Iraq, Iran, North Korea) in a state of the union speech, and everything was much harder after that. The speech may hav e been red-meat for US conservatives, but it was also that for the nationalists in all three of those countries.

Obama is smarter. Don't stir up Tea Baggers. Don't say stupid stuff about foreign countries that you can't back up . Smart guy, President Obama. Refreshing
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01:46 PM on 01/28/2010
12 million is a questionable number to me. I don't think it is accurate.
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01:29 PM on 01/28/2010
We did this before. Reagan signed a one time only, never to be done again amnesty, after which our borders would be secure and business owners would be fined and jailed for hiring illegals, remember? Gays on the other hand, denied rights illegals have, denied their humanity and rights since before the founding of our nation, you seem to say deserve the back of the bus as their rightful place. If that's your attitude, I'd rather fewer intolerant immigrants like you (if you are an immigrant) would come here. Stay in your nations of origin and fix them. Gee, there's a concept. Fixing the problems that forced immigrants to leave their birth nations. That's true immigration reform.
02:24 PM on 01/28/2010
Yes, that's exactly what Reagan promised, a one-time amnesty, and no more illegal aliens.But it didn't comeout that way...
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01:16 PM on 01/28/2010
Oh yes.....he pushed that aside. Frankly, I don't blame him.
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01:09 PM on 01/28/2010
Your post implies that the proper place for gays and lesbians is the back of the bus. How dare they be in front of immigrants? Those icky gay people wanting human dignity and legal equality denied them since the founding of the nation. All human beings deserve dignity, not just the criminal trespassers who violated the security of the American borders to come here who some call undocumented. It shocks you that gay citizens would be given preference over anyone, after all they're gay. Ewww. And preference over people who in coming to America at all broke the law? Well, that's still better than being gay. I must say, you aren't going to get a lot of gay support, or the support of those who support gay equality with the attitude that you're better than gay people.