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What the Founding Fathers Would Have Done About Gun Violence in America

Posted: 08/31/2012 5:41 pm

Another day, another shooting -- this time by an ex-marine armed with an AK-47 at a PathMark in New Jersey, but what's new? Lately, mass shootings seem to have become a weekly sport, and even someone like me, who has written multiple articles on the subject, is becoming a little jaded to that red banner of "Breaking News" that announces yet another sickening tragedy. And that is the biggest problem of all: We are slowly but surely getting desensitized to the violence that is sweeping through our society and remain either indifferent or deliberately oblivious to the role that guns (and the overt aggression they represent) play in mass murders like the ones in Colorado, Wisconsin, and now New Jersey.

In order to address this issue effectively, we need to first reject the objections to gun control brought up by the Second Amendment fanatics, those people who are so enamored of the idea of private justice, anarchy, and insurrection that they lose their common sense and even their humanity in the face of these revolutionary fantasies. For my specific arguments against the Second Amendment, you can refer to my piece "Gun Control: It's Time to Challenge the Second Amendment," but in the wake of this latest shooting, I think it's worth considering what our Founding Fathers would have done if they had been confronted by such carnage in their own time.

Of course, for this analogy to be meaningful, it's necessary to imagine that the weaponry of the time had advanced to the level that we have today, because it's pretty hard to commit mass murder with the rickety weapons of the 1700s, like the flintlock fowler. So assuming a level playing field, would the Founding Fathers have removed the Second Amendment from the Constitution or abandoned the idea of empowering citizens to defend themselves because of a string of mass shootings? Not likely, but what they would have done is created a strong set of restrictions to ensure that guns were not abused by people to harm the welfare of their fellow citizens:

Limiting Firearm Ownership

The Founding Fathers, though idealists, were also fierce pragmatists and knew that freedom could not be maintained without law and order. In this spirit, I believe they would have used common sense as their guide to limit the number of firearms that civilians could own, perhaps to the tune of a single gun for every adult in the household, with children automatically becoming eligible when they reached a certain age, and with certain exceptions for hunting.

Training and Testing

Essential to putting firearms in the hands of ordinary citizens is their ability to use those weapons responsibly and in a manner that minimizes the chance of accidents. That would have been addressed by the Founding Fathers through a rigorous and community-based system to train and test all gun owners every six months to ensure competency. Those who did not meet the community's standards would have had their private guns confiscated until they could do so. The re-training and re-testing would have ensured that people's skills, eyesight, and mental ability remained fresh and conducive to the carriage of a deadly weapon. There would have been no such thing as an automatic renewal or exception.

Strict Ammunition Control

In this critical arena, I believe the Founding Fathers would have created a public-private system wherein private ammunition makers would only have been allowed to sell a fixed quantity of ammunition for any single weapon per a formula determined by the federal government to be necessary for citizens to protect their home or for hunting, but no more. At the end of every year, citizens would have been offered monetary compensation by the government for any unused ammunition, providing an incentive for people to report their actual gun usage and reducing the motivation to hoard ammunition.

Severe Penalties for Gun Abuse

The Founding Fathers were champions of freedom but were not weak on law enforcement. Faced with a debilitating threat to society, they would have enacted laws to ensure that citizens treated guns with respect and did not use them in a cavalier fashion. That would have included harsh penalties for unnecessary gun use in any situation, and even harsher penalties for casualties or injuries caused to others by guns. By invoking zero tolerance on gun violence, the Founding Fathers would have provided America with a safe and stable social order.

In our country today, we have a serious problem with gun violence, as well as with the proliferation of guns and ammunition. That is not in doubt or a subject for debate. The only thing that is debatable is the best way to address that problem. The right to bear arms should be preserved, but in the context of stricter gun laws that enable law enforcement to control and track weapons, and to provide adequate disincentive for the abuse of firearms. This alone may not solve all of our problems, but it will definitely make an appreciable difference, and that is enough. If even one senseless gun murder is prevented by these laws, it will have been more than worth it.

I bet the Founding Fathers would have agreed, and in fact taken the lead in this process.

Sanjay Sanghoee is the author of two novels. Please visit sanghoee.com for more details. Tweet this blog out with the hashtag #stopgunviolence.

 
 
 

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Another day, another shooting -- this time by an ex-marine armed with an AK-47 at a PathMark in New Jersey, but what's new? Lately, mass shootings seem to have become a weekly sport, and even someone ...
Another day, another shooting -- this time by an ex-marine armed with an AK-47 at a PathMark in New Jersey, but what's new? Lately, mass shootings seem to have become a weekly sport, and even someone ...
 
 
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04:12 PM on 09/17/2012
You've gotta be kidding me. Do you know nothing about the history of late 18th century America? Nothing at all? You think the federal government in the 18th century, that didn't even have a real postal system, or believe in restrictions of any kind on arms, would offer a rebate for ammunition, when normal citizens cast their own musket balls over campfires?

Are you mental? You have no clue what you're talking about!
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03:36 PM on 09/13/2012
Sanjay, saying you haven't a clue what you're talking about would be kind.
04:48 PM on 09/08/2012
Thanks for finally solving a 230-year old debate on the right of self-defense with such a simple answer, Sanjay. It's amazing how you can channel exactly what the Founding Fathers meant and describe how they'd absolutely destroy a fundamental human right if they were alive today.

You're the best. [/sarc]

Seriously, go read some history. This is pretty basic American history. Guns (dangerous military scary ones at that) in the hands of the civilian populace gave you this country.
03:20 PM on 09/08/2012
Semiautomatic weapons that held 30 bullets did exist at the time of the founding fathers. Lewis and Clark used such guns, in their expedition. Ingeniously, they were powered pneumatically, but as anyone who has killed a deer with a .50 caliber air rifle can tell you....air powered rifles are pretty deadly, as deadly as any flintlock.

http://www.lewisandclarktrail.com/lewisairgun.htm
07:12 PM on 09/04/2012
Disagree with everything Sanjay said, except for the last part about penalties for gun abuse. There are already thousands of gun laws on the books. Enforce them!
02:03 AM on 09/04/2012
Sanjay is insulting the Founding Fathers by suggesting they would think as dumb as he does when he thinks it's logical to require training to prevent accidents and promote competency yet limit the amount of training by restriction on the amount of ammo one can have; which is very likely less then a thousand because that is considered hoarding by gun control nuts. Some of the Founding Fathers were soldiers and officers. Alexander Hamilton, as an officer would consider a thousand rounds for training inadequate. I know, a thousand is at most two weeks worth of training. That is like telling LaBrone James to shot 20 shots but expect him to be as good as when he could train all he wants. The FF had more sense then that. Limiting to one gun per person would be seen as naive thinking by the FF as they would know that the 2010 Cambria, England Mass Shooting was done by one gun in a very restrictive country and could not prevent mass killings since they would also know that Rwanda genocide happened with knives and Machetes as well as they would know that an old man in LA killed 7 people with his car. As for that check every 6 months the FF would not have done that wasteful act since they know that 85% of crime is committed by gang bangers they would have just imprisoned them then execute them which would eliminate 85% of crime. Current liberals not FF.
01:49 AM on 09/04/2012
The Founding Fathers would have done none of things listed. They created the Bill of Rights to limit the power of the Federal government over the states and the people, period. Such issues, had they existed, would have been issues for the the individual states to decide, not issues for the federal government to resolve. They would abhor the amount of control and influence our massive federal government now holds over the individual states.
10:14 PM on 09/03/2012
A quote advanced to support the armed populace fantasy is from Mohandas Gandhi, the leader of nonviolent resistance to British rule in India. His objective of Indedepence was achieved in 1947. Gandhi wrote in Chapter XXVII, "The Recruiting Campaign," in his autobiography, My Experiments with Truth:

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
09:48 PM on 09/03/2012
So now the author is channeling the spirits of the founders. I could make a mint on crystal ball polish.
09:17 PM on 09/03/2012
Leaving aside for the moment the question of gun control, let's address the premise of this article. Can Sanjay Sanghoee cite a single instance in the U.S. Constitution where the authors of that document undertook to place limits upon individual rights or freedoms? The Constitution states how the U.S. Government is to be set up (i.e. "Constituted"), not how to limit or control the behavior of individuals. Where individual rights or freedoms are addressed, it's always in the context of protecting those rights and freedoms. The restrictions that are imposed by the Constitution are checks upon the ability of the Federal or State governments to abridge the rights of individuals. In this respect, Sanghoee's article fails in its intent.
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01:03 PM on 09/07/2012
sanjay fails at most everything he espouses on, the guy is completely ignorant
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03:11 PM on 09/03/2012
Sanjay Sanghoee wrote: 'I think it's worth considering what our Founding Fathers would have done if they had been confronted by such carnage in their own time. "

Since the homicide rate during the founding era was 2 to 3 times greater than it is today, I doubt if they would do anything different and any of the founding fathers who would propose such a thing would have been tarred and feathered.
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12:44 AM on 09/03/2012
Sanjay, so you think that the founding fathers would have banned bow and arrows so as to stop the Indians from attacking them right?
05:22 PM on 09/02/2012
Get real, we live right above the most drug rampant country in the world(Mexico), and also live in the 2nd most drug rampant country in the world(United States). That is why our forefathers amended the 2nd amendment. I live in Arizona, and trust me, you cannot go walking by yourself during the day, let alone late at night, in this state. People everyday are found murdered with their heads decapitated by the cartels out here in the desert. Houses are constantly broken into by CRIMINALS with ILLEGAL weapons smuggled in from the military. Not by myself or law abiding citizens with our legally bought weapons. Like I said, get real; get smart with it. you can't go around taking weapons from every person in this country. That will just make life MUCH easier for people who have weapons from the black market and enable them to embark more freely in their drug trade. If you don't think drugs are that big of a problem in this country, come to Arizona. Go to Phoenix, Tucson, Mesa, Tempe, Chandler, or any of the big cities out here.
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08:36 PM on 09/07/2012
Incorrect. We ARE the most rampant drug country in the world. The chaos in Mexico is financed by us. (And aided and abetted by Eric Holder's ATF...)
05:21 PM on 09/02/2012
My belief is that every citizen now should be allowed to carry weapons wherever they go, BUT as long as they have their brains evaluated through a psyche evaluation. If military personnel have to go through extensive background checks and psyche evaluations in order to qualify then I believe that some Joe Dundy should also have to have an extensive background check and psyche evaluation to own a butter knife, if not an AK 47. People now a days are overly stupid about gun control. Stop trying to regulate the people and punish them. Instead, just evaluate every gun owner through their criminal history and mental status. If you take weapons away from the people, its the criminals that will prevail. There will be no way to defend yourself when an illegally obtained SKS is pointed at your face in a movie theatre. Get real people, taking weapons away from the people will only fix a SMALL (I'm talking 2%) percentage of the problem. Instead, get smart with it. Start regulating on people with criminal records. THEY are the problem, not us. Start regulating on lunatics, whose mental state is unstable. THEY are the problem, not us. All we can do is just defend ourselves. And trust me, I wouldn't be able to stand up against a firearm UNARMED.
05:20 PM on 09/02/2012
I have reason to disagree with the comparison of gun control today and gun control then. You have to understand that our forefathers were big on SMALL government. It would have been up to the militias and local law enforcement to take care of the issue, NOT the government. I totally agree though that every citizen does need a psyche evaluation if they want to own a weapon; I don't care if it is something as small as a freaking pocket knife. Crazy people do crazy things, let alone what they will and have already done with weapons. I'm sick of hearing about people out of their own free will shooting innocent civilians.
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11:00 PM on 09/02/2012
How refreshing it is to hear someone so undetered by things like reality. So you think everyone should get a psych eval. Have you ever read about the Rosenhan experiment? Didn't think so.

How do you plan to pay for 80 million psych evals? How are you going to force people to talk to a head shrinker? Know anything about patient rights or HIPAA?