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Capitalism Has Failed: 5 Bold Ways to Build a New World

Posted: 05/25/2012 12:59 pm

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As our political system sputters, a wave of innovative thinking and bold experimentation is quietly sweeping away outmoded economic models. In New Economic Visions, a special five-part AlterNet series edited by economics editor Lynn Parramore in partnership with political economist Gar Alperovitz of the Democracy Collaborative, creative thinkers come together to explore the exciting ideas and projects that are shaping the philosophical and political vision of the movement that could take our economy back.

The problem, in a nutshell, is this: The old economic model has utterly failed us. It has destroyed our communities, our democracy, our economic security, and the planet we live on. The old industrial-age systems -- state communism, fascism, free-market capitalism -- have all let us down hard, and growing numbers of us understand that going back there isn't an option.

But we also know that transitioning to some kind of a new economy -- and, probably, a new governing model to match -- will be a civilization-wrenching process. We're having to reverse deep and ancient assumptions about how we allocate goods, labor, money, and power on a rapidly shrinking, endangered, complex, and ever more populated planet. We are boldly taking the global economy -- and all 7 billion souls who depend on it -- where no economy has ever gone before.

Right now, all we have to guide us forward are an emerging set of new values and imperatives. The new system can't incentivize economic growth for its own sake, or let monopolies form and flourish. It should be as democratic as possible, but with strong mechanisms in place that protect the common wealth and the common good. It needs to put true costs to things, and hold people accountable for their actions. Above all, it needs to be rooted in the deep satisfactions -- community, nature, family, health, creativity -- that have been the source of real human happiness for most of our species' history.

As we peer out into this future, we can catch glimmers and shadows -- the first dim outlines of things that might become part of the emerging picture over the next few decades. Within this far-ranging conversation, a few dominant themes crop up over and over again. For the final chapter in this series, we'll discuss five robust visions that are forming the conceptual bridge on which our next steps toward the future are being taken.

Small Is Beautiful

Many people imagining our next economy are swept up in the romance of a return to a localized or regionalized economy, where wealth is built by local people creatively deploying local resources to meet local needs.

Relocalization is a way to restore the autonomy, security and control that have been lost now that almost every aspect of our lives has been co-opted by big, centralized, corporate-controlled systems. By bringing everything back to a more human scale, this story argues, we'll enable people to connect with their own creativity, their communities and each other. Alienation and isolation will dissipate. We'll have more time for family and friends, really free enterprise and more satisfying work. Our money will be our own, accumulated by us and re-invested in things we value. And it'll be a serious corrective to our delusional ideas about what constitutes real wealth, too.

This vision is deeply beloved. It's front and center in both the resilience and Transition Towns movement. You hear it from foodies who extol the virtues of local food, Slow Money investors who back local banks and businesses instead of Wall Street, community gardeners, and 10 million Makers. David Korten argues that capitalism is actually the enemy of truly free markets -- the kind where anybody with ideas and initiative can make a tidy living working for herself, doing something she loves. And that kind of freedom is, very naturally, small in scale.

This vision is also seductive. It holds out the promise that if people dare to let go of what they have and reach out to the future, there's a better life waiting within their grasp -- a core piece of any effective change story.  However, this model also has a few problems that haven't yet been engaged by most of its proponents, but which compromise its ability to serve as a global framework.

First: the infrastructure that will enable us to relocalize isn't thick on the ground right now. City and regional governments across the country are broke, devastated by the devaluation of their tax bases. Ironically, relocalizing may require significant federal investment -- but do we really think that the corporations that control our federal government will actually back a model that will ultimately undercut the economic and political chokehold they have on us? It seems unlikely.

Also, localization often involves trade-offs between making things efficiently -- which, in the industrial age, has meant making them in large, centralized factories -- and resilience. Making stuff locally in small batches increases resilience, and decentralizing the process means that many more people will have jobs. For example: A single factory farmer can manage thousands of acres. An organic farm might have half a dozen workers on just 20 acres.

But the fact remains that our world depends on at least a few large, complex systems (the Internet, for example) that require national or even international coordination to manage properly. Where does that coordination come from when all the power is pushed down to the regional level? Also, many of our biggest problems -- climate change, damage to the oceans, loss of species, the threat of epidemics and extreme weather events -- also require a larger and more coordinated response than any one city or region can mount. In a relocalized world, who has the authority to manage these problems?

Furthermore, what becomes of our currently high national and global standards on things like civil rights, infrastructure codes and the environment when all the power is devolved to local governments? Some places will no doubt forge ahead and raise the bar even further, but it's not hard to imagine that quite a few others will be all too glad to get back to oppressing their minorities and raping the land.

These are questions that few theorists, so far, have addressed, but it's possible they may be answered in time. A lot of the people doing the best work on relocalization right now are young, and the new enterprises they're building are untried and new. As they grow in skill and experience, and their trust in these structures grows, they may find ways to start scaling up.

Marx 2.0

Another group of theorists are updating Marx for the 21st century, proffering models that put both control and profit of enterprises into the workers' hands. In some of these, workers are also owners, with a full stake in the success or failure of the business. In others (such as the one proposed by philosopher David Schwiekart, which was based on Yugoslavia's industrial policy), the state is the owner and primary investor in the business. The workers lease the means of production, run the business, return some of the proceeds to the government, and distribute the rest of the profit between themselves.

Ironically, most of these schemes share capitalism's biggest flaw, which is its inherent reliance on growth. As a business owner, it's very hard to say, "We're big enough now. Let's stop here." (Though some, like Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard, have done just that.) Most businesses have competitors who, if they're allowed to get bigger than you, will swallow you whole. If you don't stay big enough to compete, you don't survive -- and since the competitors are facing the same imperative, the race can never really end.

As noted, this kind of constant growth simply isn't sustainable on a finite planet. People will always trade -- it's an essential human activity -- but going forward, we need small-scale businesses that can stay happy and healthy without being pushed to grow. Worker ownership doesn't really address this problem, though relocalization, which roots businesses deeply in their own local markets, limiting their reach beyond those boundaries, may provide one natural brake on growth.

For many large and necessary enterprises (utilities; essential centralized manufacturing; big, capital-intensive tech industries; and so on) public ownership may be the only way to ensure that they grow no bigger than they need to be to fulfill their mission. If there are other solutions that will allow us to have complex enterprises minus the growth imperative, they're still lurking out beyond the horizon.

Systems Theory

One of the great breakthroughs in human understanding over the past 40 years has been the realization that all complex systems -- economic, political, biological, mechanical, environmental, or social -- behave according to a simple set of common principles. The rules that govern the behavior of one set of systems usually apply to other kinds of systems as well.

For example, much of what we've learned about how ecosystems work is now informing new thinking about the economy. Successful enterprises don't exist in a vacuum. They only thrive in interdependent communities of customers, suppliers, investors, employees, and related businesses. The most economically productive places -- for example, Silicon Valley -- are as dense in these interrelationships as old-growth forests are. This complex landscape allows for endless combinations of new interactions, which in turn leads to constant, easy, productive innovation. At the same time: these ecosystems are every bit as susceptible to thoughtless disruption when some critical element is disturbed.

This new awareness of the intense interdependence within healthy economies undercuts the "rugged individualist/self-made man" story that undergirds conservative economics. Seeing the world in systems makes it abundantly clear that no individual or enterprise ever succeeds on its own, or that one business alone can bring about the kind of change we need. Fostering healthy economies is the work of generations, and thanks to systems theory, we understand more about how to build them than we ever did before.

A World Like the Web

A related framework, which is being driven by technologists rather than economists, posits that economic systems like capitalism, fascism and communism all belong to an industrial age that's now passing. In the old era, we saw the world through the metaphor of the machine. Our systems were static piles of unchanging parts that you designed, defined, tinkered with, and deployed toward a desired result.

This framework argues that our transition to the Information Age (which includes not just the Internet revolution, but other technologies like nanotech, biotech, 3D printing, and so on; and which will be playing out through the rest of this century, at minimum) will require us to rearrange our economic and political orders to more closely fit the Internet metaphor. Closely related to this are emerging human-centered economic models, like behavioral economics, which jettison the mechanistic "rational actor" assumption for a more nuanced and organic understanding of how human decision-making actually works.

In these models, the economy is seen as a series of simultaneously interrelated and self-sufficient nodes, each embedded in a complex matrix of relationships that are redundant and self-healing. These could easily be strong regional economies based on natural bioregional boundaries, which are then bound together in a tight global network that fosters robust trade in goods and ideas. The foundation of capital is ideas and information -- resources that don't deplete the physical wealth of the planet. Membership in the network increases scalability and adds extra layers of resilience.

This model also implies big changes in governance. It demands new constitutions that push control down to the local level, while also integrating these regional governments into the global network. If political power can move like the Internet, we might get the best of both worlds: the small-is-beautiful dream embedded in so many of the current alternative models, plus a genuine global governance structure that's capable of getting its arms around our biggest and most universal problems (like, say, managing the global commons, creating needed accountability, or intervening collectively when one regional node has a crisis of some kind). These new governments would also establish a raft of new rights and privileges, updated for this age.

It's implicitly understood that this leap will facilitate global investment in new infrastructure that will, in turn, enable the next advance in the complexity of human systems. Technology has introduced a deep-level paradigm shift that is rapidly destroying the current order, while also providing the ontological map that shows how the distribution of power, money, organization, governance, and control should play out in the next one.

Reform, Revolution, and Evolution

All of the above discussions are also being informed by an evolving understanding of how transformative social change happens.

As long as most people assume that market capitalism is sustainable,  they'll focus on reforming it -- cleaning it up around the edges, rewriting regulations, making it work in the public interest, and so on. Many Americans, in fact, still hope that this is all it will take-- that technology, political reform and market forces, working in some magic combination, will be enough to save us from ourselves.

Others among us are holding out for a full-on revolution that overthrows the whole system in one massive push, clearing the way for something entirely new. Revolutions are tricky, though: historically, a lot of them have gone sideways when the revolutionaries couldn't hang on through the chaotic aftermath of what they'd wrought. They often get swept away by some other force that's better organized, and thus better equipped to step in and take over. Anything can happen in the wake of a revolution, and all too often, it's not the thing you hoped for.

Gar Alperovitz offers "evolutionary reconstruction" as a better alternative to either reform or revolution. Visionaries from Gandhi to Buckminster Fuller have agreed with him. This model focuses our change energy on building new parallel institutions that will, in time, supplant the old ones. Don't fight the existing system, this strategy argues. Instead, just sidestep it entirely and create a new one. As the old system collapses under its own decay, yours will gradually fill in the gaps until it becomes the new dominant paradigm.

America's right wing has used this model very successfully to take control of our culture over the past 40 years. Starting in the 1970s, they invested in a wide range of parallel education systems, media outlets, professional organizations, government watchdog groups, and so on. These groups groomed a new generation of leaders, while also developing the intellectual, policy and cultural basis for the change they wanted to create. As time passed, they took advantage of opportunities to insert people and ideas from these alternative institutions into the mainstream ones. The result was that 90 percent of the conservative revolution took place almost entirely under the radar of most Americans. One day, we simply looked up to find them in charge of everything that mattered.

We lost the country this way. And we are well on our way to getting it back this way, too. As we steadily, carefully build a new set of enterprises, the new reality will inevitably and naturally take shape around us. There's nothing stopping us from starting co-ops or worker-owned businesses or triple-bottom-line corporations; we can do all of that today, in full faith that these businesses will be far better adapted to the future than the old capitalist forms we're seeking to supplant. In time, these structures will become the new normal, and people will barely remember that we ever did it any other way.

 

 

 
 
 
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
03:10 PM on 06/19/2012
Laissez-faire capitalism never let us down. It was abandoned just as it was succeeding most. Even before then it wasn't really given a chance.

The myth that laissez-faire failed comes from misconceptions on the causes of such things as the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl. Read up on Herbert hoover's own memoirs to see that he never believed in laissez-faire, and intervened in the economy more than any President in US history, even before the 1929 crash.

http://www.ecommcode.com/hoover/ebooks/pdf/FULL/B1V3_Full.pdf

The Dust Bowl was caused in part by government financing of railroads and other encouragements that caused farmers to settle in sparsely populated, arid areas of the country that should not have been farmed in the first place, and would not have been if we had laissez-faire.

http://livingeconomics.org/article.asp?docId=24
10:30 PM on 05/29/2012
Okay this "Capitalism hasn't failed, it's us that failed" talk is really silly. Yes we failed, and so did every other political or economic theory because of wait for it...................... people (or us).

The part that always frustrates me is that people failing IS a system failing, they are not mutually exclusive. That would be like the senator of my state saying "We are going to abolish all laws against murder and that will eliminate murder" and then when it happens and the murder rate quadruples saying "Well it wasn't my no murder law system that failed, it's the people who murdered each other who did".
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
03:42 PM on 06/19/2012
Its not us that failed. It was our government that failed to let us have free market capitalism. Even in the 19th century, there were railroad subsidies that helped create railroad monopolies, railroad bubbles, helped people settle in areas they could not have elsewhere which helped set the stage for the Dust Bowl of the 1930's, and wasted a lot of resources, physical as well as human. But despite that, we had pretty good economic growth because of the freedom we did have.
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Scurvydog74
11:44 AM on 05/29/2012
Population has outgrown jobs. Scholars in the 60's warned this would eventually happen. Increased productivity and efficiency have further decreased the need for labor as have advances in transportation, communication and technology. As a growing number of humans compete for ever dwindling finite resources on a crowded planet there will be winners and losers. The US is not in a good position to compete in a global economy. Our middle class is already experiencing decay at the hands of world competition. I wish I could be as optimistic as this author.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
09:47 AM on 05/29/2012
Our growth of the last few decades was fueled by consumer credit for the most part and it will be very hard to pull out growth and consumerism uber alles. It's also interesting that the number of listed companies in the US has decreased (the Russell 5000 index of stocks only has 3,700 companies).
08:09 AM on 05/29/2012
Interesting article, but we don't need to look for a single 'ism to replace our tired out 'isms, so there is no need to criticize any of these approaches, only point out strengths as part of a solution. We need to localize economies so our businesses are more accountable to the people they affect. We need worker owned and operated businesses so we have less alienation and more democracy in our lives. We need to rethink what kind of power different levels of government should have, including national and global governments in order to address real problems. We also need to rethink our macroeconomics so that we can more accurately structure and predict how our monetary and financial decisions must be coordinated.

Anyway, the more we recognize that capitalism and free-market theories are fantasies, the more productive our conversations about the future will be.
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Kai-HK
Don't Share My Wealth! Share My Work Ethic!
12:49 AM on 05/29/2012
Another sad effort to blame free-market capitalism for problems caused by bad governance and command-economy and socialist distortions that prevented capitalist forces from correcting economic disequilibria and excess.

The problems we face today exist despite capitalism not because of it.

Kai
09:49 AM on 05/29/2012
The reason the so-called Socialist countries came through the economic meltdown much better than the purely Capitalistic countries has nothing to do with Socialism or Capitalism..It has to do with Regulation and the lack of it..

The United States has a deep seated fear of Socialism so maybe if they called it Regulated Capitalism they could go ahead with their recovery in a sensible manner instead of holding the rest of the world at risk..
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Kai-HK
Don't Share My Wealth! Share My Work Ethic!
11:48 PM on 05/29/2012
Doober:

You state, ‘The reason the so-called Socialist countries came through the economic meltdown much better than the purely Capitalistic countries has nothing to do with Socialism or Capitalism..It has to do with Regulation and the lack of it.’

That is actually not a bad point…but it is incomplete. SOME socialist countries came through the crisis OK, others cratered…there is a host of reason why, regulations are among them as are sound monetary policy and other reasons. Just as many highly capitalist countries came through the Crises. In Hong Kong, where I am based for work, unemployment peaked at 4% and today it is 2.8%, or 1,5% if you include people working part time. Hong Kong is consistently rated the freest market in the world, has a higher median salary than the US (on a PPP basis) despite no min wage and unions to speak of, is happier despite no welfare safety net, has more millionaires per capita, twice as many as the US, despite a small economy, no manufacturing, etc, is healthier, has better infrastructure despite privatization of airports, roads, bridges and subways, and collects more income tax revenue as a percentage of GDP despite a low flat tax of 15% that everyone pays equally, and no banking crisis despite having CDO’s, derivatives, etc
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Kai-HK
Don't Share My Wealth! Share My Work Ethic!
11:49 PM on 05/29/2012
In short, it was not capitalism that was the problem…it was other systemic issues and BAD regulations and monetary policy that caused the problems in countries that had a crisis. Central Banks kept money too cheap and too easy for too long, and in the States this compounded by bad policy that promoted subprime through legislation and through Freddie and Fannie as the insurer and buyer of last resort. Consumers of subprime loans and banks behaved exactly the way they should have given the perverse intervention in the market by the government through cheap money and the perversion of risk-reward dynamics.

Regulations and socialist government intervention in the markets through command-economy housing policies caused the crises. Free-market capitalism is what has been fighting this intervention and doing what it can to drive prices and wages back down to a sustainable level…and yet the government doubles down on yet more easy money and perverse policies.

You continue, ‘The United States has a deep seated fear of Socialism so maybe if they called it Regulated Capitalism…’
08:49 AM on 05/28/2012
Population pressures MUST be addressed- and not just with knee jerk reactions. No proposed system will work without a serious consideration of population pressures.
08:10 AM on 05/29/2012
This is what the World Bank and IMF have focused on since the late 60s and early 70s to disastrous results. May want to try something different.
09:57 AM on 05/29/2012
Getting rich solves that like nothing else.

Check it out, and you will see.
08:42 AM on 05/28/2012
We? I wish. There is already a fully functional plutocracy at work, and it brooks little interference from anyone not in the ranks of the wealthy. Before any of us can have a collective vision, this has to be addressed.
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
07:13 AM on 05/28/2012
Will we ever be able to overcome human nature?

Power seeking, greedy people will always find a way to manipulate the system to their advantage.

Maybe rather than our economic, perhaps we need to address our values system.
08:41 AM on 05/28/2012
When you play a game do you try to win? When you are in a foot race are you in it just to be last? Are yoyu satisfied when your sports team just shows up for the game????
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
03:13 PM on 05/28/2012
The problem with your analogy is that life isn't a game. It's a complex feedback loop of interdependent beings and systems that can be crashed to everyone's detriment if one element becomes overly dominant or consumptive in relationship to the whole.

We're living in a time where debt levels are unsustainable, because we're pledging future wealth toward debt service at a faster rate than wealth accumulation can justify. If that weren't enough, we're consuming resources at a faster level than the planet can replenish them. Last but not least, it now costs us a barrel's worth of oil energy to produce only three new barrels of oil where in the past that ratio used to be about 1:100, yet oil demands are rising exponentially...still.

The belief the economy will "magically" resolve these problems is a misrepresentation of what an economy is. We don't have resources because we have an economy to produce them; we have an economy because we have resources to use and distribute. In other words, the natural world is not a subset of the economy; the economy is a subset of the natural world. Our obsession with personal "winning and losing" misses the larger picture - the entire species is facing sudden and catastrophic colony collapse unless we address our issues soon. In which case the wealthy elite will find themselves every bit as distressed - perhaps more so - than those who grasp the truth and are shifting their behavior.
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
03:29 PM on 05/28/2012
I certainly hope you're not comparing a game or footrace to real life where people's ability to live can be affected by the actions of those with power.

In a society, some people should not have to "loose" so that a few people can "win."
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
02:28 AM on 05/28/2012
Actually well-regulated capitalism worked quite well before Reagan deregulated it.  It works quite well today in northern Europe.
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
03:19 PM on 05/28/2012
We've only had a 50 year time-span in which to measure the "success" of modern capitalism. Unfortunately, these past 50 years cannot be replicated into the future because the underpinnings that enabled them to exist will not exist in the future. The resources available to us are in severe decline even as our population is exploding, our source of energy is getting more difficult to extract and more energy-costly to produce and our debt service is consuming ever more of our present day wealth even as incomes are stagnating.

We're therefore facing an extraordinary shift in our society right now, because that which cannot continue WILL NOT CONTINUE. Period. So those who persist in predicting that the patterns of the past will repeat themselves (as they do during ordinary times) are bound to be shocked by the changes we will face as a species because this is indeed an extraordinary time.

Buckle up...and don't expect what worked in the past to work in the future.
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05:11 PM on 05/28/2012
People have gotten so used to viewing history that we perhaps do not fully understand that when historical shifts are made, the people living in those eras may not see them until that particular war, political upheaval, famine, etc... has fully begun as the conditions leading up to life and culture changing events evolve over a length of time in which people struggle within whatever hierarchy is in place and can do relatively little to affect their environment short of overthrowing that hierarchy in place at the time.
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
05:56 PM on 05/28/2012
We waste energy and materials in huge amounts. We will cease to do so as energy becomes more expensive. Our lighting sources are absurdly wasteful, our vehicles are absurdly heavy, our homes (in cold climates) are absurdly under insulated, etc.
08:13 AM on 05/29/2012
It worked OK for US (with strong unions, mind you), but our domination of the global market through the World Bank and IMF post WWII has been a disaster for much of the world. That's the result of 'free market' ideology though, the domination by those who got strong enough to control a free market.
09:53 AM on 05/29/2012
How would it work if the financial mess in Greece as an example were treated as a disaster like an earthquake or Hurricane and aid were sent in at the grassroots level and not at the top where it is wasted by corruption..In other words get the money to the 99% who need it and will use it and not to the 1% who will waste it or horde it..I would suggest a Credit Union type of institution backed by the Trade Unions might work in Greece but in other countries that are in trouble as well..
The IMF and the World Bank seem to have the aid they are offering upside down where all the money they offer goes in from the top to the 1% and asks the 99% to pay..

I expect this will undercut the banks and big money but that is where all this trouble came from and since Trickle Down Economy has been proven not to work why not try Trickle Up..I am no Economist but I think this is a Keynesian principal that worked for Roosevelt..
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
08:32 PM on 05/29/2012
If you don't run your economy off the rails, you don't need either institution.
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ReadThomasSowell
resist we much and we much about that be commited!
01:09 AM on 05/28/2012
"The old economic model has utterly failed us"...What kind of economic illiterate comes up w/ this stuff?! Sar.ah Robi.nson needs to get a refund from anyone that "taught" her about economics.

The "old economic model" of almost totally free markets led to the greatest increase in the standard of living, for the average man, in HUMAN HISTORY.
08:44 AM on 05/28/2012
So what "free" market are you talking about exactly? Little too much Star Trek perhaps?
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ReadThomasSowell
resist we much and we much about that be commited!
01:21 PM on 05/28/2012
America up until 1913, when the Federal reserve was introduced and decided what the value of the dollar should be.  
BTW, I said "alomst" totally free markets.  I recognize that we've never had completely free markets, but when they were freest, the average man rose fastest.
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
03:19 PM on 06/19/2012
What are you talking about? The economy in Star Trek is socialist. Didn;t you watch Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home? They don't even have money in the 24th century.

Now the 19th century demonstrated the greatest improvements in the standard of living of the working classes in the history of the world.
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
03:22 PM on 05/28/2012
A free market economy only works when there are adequate resources to distribute, adequate energy to move them around and work them into goods and services, and adequate capital to fund the necessary enterprises without the debt service overtaking the net wealth of the citizenry. Since we're in an extraordinary situation today where resources are collapsing, energy consumption is outpacing our extractive capacities and debt service is far outpacing wages, what worked in the past will not work into the future.

This isn't a left or right issue; it's a common sense understanding of how living feedback loops work. Any bacterial colony in a petrie dish will reveal the truth for those who are interested: when the colony outpaces the available resources, a colony collapse becomes inevitable.
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ReadThomasSowell
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05:53 PM on 05/28/2012
We're not running out of resources.  Free markets make things MORE efficient.  
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Saulius Muliolis
The Free Market's Alibi
04:20 PM on 06/19/2012
The only limits we have on our access to resources and energy are those imposed by our government. The whole planet is one big ball of natural resources. We cannot run out. And we are constantly learning new ways to use our resources more efficiently.

It is not realitic, economically, to look at natural resources as a sum of physical materials. Economically speaking, our resources are limited only by our technical ability to reshape material reality for our own purposes.

One small example, of many, is how we have replaced the use of copper for signal transmission with fiber optics. Or paper books with Kindles and Nooks.
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ReadThomasSowell
resist we much and we much about that be commited!
01:02 AM on 05/28/2012
Another Lefty whac.kjob who thinks they know best how to organize society....What could possibly go wrong?

BTW, Libs, we haven't had anything near a free markets system since 1913. Also, like Marx and Keynes, Libs have NO CLUE of the role of prices in a society...none whatsoever.
08:56 AM on 05/28/2012
Have you extrapolated to where "unfettered" Capitalism would end up? What do you think it would look like? What role would human beings play in such and environment?

"Libs have NO CLUE of the role of prices in a society...none whatsoever." You may understand the mechanics of the machine better than most, but what if you are the best engineer of a machine that is quickly approaching obsolescence unto itself? What if the world is moving on and needs a new machine? I agree that "Libs" likely have no clue as you note. Their answer relates to their misunderstanding of human nature thinking "Why can't we all just get along?" Let me assure you your answer is just as oversimplified. I don't know what the answer is, but I know what it ain't. And neither of the two choices the world tries to shove down my throat are it.
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ReadThomasSowell
resist we much and we much about that be commited!
01:17 PM on 05/28/2012
I appreciate the tone you set in your replies:) 
Have you heard of the Simon-Ehrlich wager?  It's pretty informative.
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
03:33 PM on 05/28/2012
You're correct in that this isn't a "liberal versus conservative" issue. It's a life issue around how feedback loops function. We tend to forget we're EMBEDDED in nature, not in control of it, so we imagine ourselves to be the generators of economic prosperity. We're not; we're prosperous because we've long had abundant free resources to utilize as we chose. That we've chosen to consume them faster than they self-replenish, and that we consider ourselves more 'wealthy' the faster we convert those resources into consumables is perhaps the gravest error in human conceptual thinking.

The solution is to reduce consumption to sustainable levels and immediately focus on finding alternative sources of energy that cost less than the present one barrel of oil for every three new barrels we produce. Unfortunately, we're so danged focused on the "price" of things we're ignoring the genuine natural costs for what we're doing. Nor can we continue to expand our collective debt at a pace that far exceeds wage growth without eventually hitting THAT natural limit; once servicing debt takes 100% of our income we'll be left with no present day wealth to maintain ourselves. These are not mathematical constructs; they're natural limits to growth on a finite world. Economics, alas, makes no concessions for finite limits and assumes free market pricing can resolve such problems. It can't. Pricing has nothing to do with whether or not the capacity to produce goods and services EXISTS.
09:06 AM on 05/28/2012
To further the metaphor. What if you are the finest engineer of an analog based system? And then digital comes along. It will do everything any analog machine can do, faster cheaper and more efficiently. What if you can't adapt your skillsets fast enough and that might be difficult since it is paradigmatically different? What if that is a metaphor for what is happening to human kind? New assumptions, new technology, new ideas moving so fast the old can't keep up. The new is a carrot offering so many possibilities but we can't escape our analog perceptions and expectations quick enough to adapt. We may just have to crash and burn and start all over again to fully internalize the differences.
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01:13 PM on 05/28/2012
Unemployment was extremely low for the ENTIRETY of the industrial revolution here.  All new technologies do is free up labor to be used more efficiently elsewhere.
12:48 AM on 05/28/2012
Please explain why growth will not result in a scarcity of resources of which prices will rise constraing the use of that resource.
Isn't the law of supply and demand (and price) an effective limiter of growth.

The issue, I see no answer to is the commoditization of labor, and it's declining "price" . This effect is what's destroying the USA middle class, but building it elsewhere.
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Eileenla
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03:44 PM on 05/28/2012
Growth does result in a scarcity of resources, eventually at an exponential rate in direct proportion to the exponential rate of growth. And economy growing at only 4% per year will double in size in 18 years...which means it must consume double the resources. Currently we're using 1 1/4 Earths to maintain our present global lifestyle, yet we're still beating the drum for exponential growth. That means the rate at which our resources will disappear or become harder and more costly to extract will also change exponentially. At some point it doesn't matter how high prices go, because no amount of capital can create resources where none remain. Until we anchor our economic theory in the real world of a finite resource-based feedback loop that is ALIVE, we're going to slide further and further away from reality - and any chance we'll resolve these challenges before our entire global society collapses.
05:23 PM on 05/28/2012
Resource consumption has been growing for a long time. I see no famin, water, air, or energy shortages that are not be solved by price, substitution etc.

When things get too costlybwr'll use less of them or switch to alternatives. Perhaps some day far into the future, carbon fuel prices will make even pv solar economic.

People round the world want to live better more resource intensive lives. Who are we to say we know better and deny them the opportunity?

Let prices, substitutes, technology, and social phenomena
(wars, famine if need be) resolve resource allocation issues. Don't try to tell other people how to live.
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12:05 AM on 05/28/2012
What we have today isn't capitalism. Stop lying.
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09:16 PM on 05/27/2012
There are so many flaws here that I can't even begin to write about them all in my limited space. The first thing is the hypocrisy of this website itself. I see mostly bloggers here who believe in the omnipotent power of a large government while railing against powerful, centralized corporations while not even acknowledging the fact that the government that they believe in behaves the exact same way as those corporations. Could the inefficiency be directly related to the size of the entity but not necessarily the entity itself? When you make this point on progressive websites, they do not understand the relation. Second, I agree with the writer on decentralization and giving more power to local and regional governments but she then says that these new REGIONAL governments need to be incorporated into the global network. Isn't that just recreating the same problems that she is upset about earlier in the article? In terms of her post on making A WORLD LIKE THE WEB, this ideology already exists. It is called anarchism. Plus, her solution sounds a lot like this book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Action

Are progressives starting to finally see the rationality of the decentralized, anarchist/minarchist system? You know, there is a politicians who is running for president who believes this also. Go here!

http://www.ronpaul.com/welcome.php