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Gates Backs the Wall Street Tax at the G20 Summit

Posted: 11/03/11 06:06 PM ET

The 99 percent and the 0.001 percent agree on something, but the Obama administration is holding out.

The world's second-richest man and a group of American nurses on the frontlines of the Occupy Wall Street protests came to the G20 summit in Cannes, France this week to advocate for the same thing.

Bill Gates came because French President Nicolas Sarkozy asked him to give G20 leaders recommendations on how to raise funds to meet the needs of the world's poorest. Among Gates's proposals: a small tax on trades of stocks, derivatives, and other financial instruments, also known as a financial transactions tax (FTT), Wall Street speculation tax, or the Robin Hood tax.

According to an advance copy of Gates's report, "FTTs already exist in many countries, where they generate significant revenue, so they are clearly technically feasible. According to the IMF, 15 G20 countries have some form of securities transaction tax. In the seven countries where the IMF estimates revenue, these taxes raise an estimated $15 billion per year."

"It is very plausible that certain kinds of FTTs could work," Gates told the Guardian. "I am lending some credibility to that. This money could be well spent and make a difference."

Gates has a net worth of $59 billion. So forget the 1 percent, he'd be in what, the top 0.001 percent? Meanwhile, representatives of the 99 percent were outside the summit security zone, plugging the same idea.

National Nurses United, the largest union representing U.S. nurses, came to France from the Occupy Wall Street protests across the United States where they have been providing first aid for the encampments. In Cannes, they dressed in their scrubs and joined nurses from Australia, France, Ireland, and Korea. This global group then administered an FTT saline drip to an ailing world economy -- represented by a man painted in full body art as the Earth.

"The economic decline is literally making our patients sick," said one of the U.S. nurses. "We see more and more children with conditions related to poor nutrition and stress." The solution, according to the nurses, is a Wall Street tax that could generate the revenues needed to address human needs.

Bill Nighy, an actor famous for his roles in Love, Actually and other British films, jumped right into the world economy's hospital bed and posed for photos. "People around the world are dying of illnesses that should have been eliminated hundreds of years ago," Nighy said, noting that a new Wall Street tax could help raise the money required to stop those scourges.

One of his contributions to the campaign for such a tax in the UK was a video that went viral, in which he plays a banker trying to argue against the idea. Ultimately, his character can't find a good reason why not to raise huge amounts of money for the things people need through a tiny tax on financial transactions.

Back inside the summit venue, there's a frenzy of last-minute lobbying going on to try to line up a group of G20 governments to launch a "coalition of the willing on FTT." The Obama administration isn't expected to be on the list.

But RoseAnn DeMoro, National Nurses United's executive director, said, "Nurses don't give up on people and they won't give up on this." The union also spearheaded a rally in Washington, DC today, with more than a thousand nurses and their allies targeting opponents of the Wall Street tax in the Treasury Department and Congress.

 
 
 
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rlellis711
EMC(SW) Retired
08:40 AM on 11/04/2011
Gates has set up his foundation, that does good things, to AVOID paying any taxes when he dies!!!. This "foundation" allows HIM to decide how HIS money will be spent, not the U S GOVT.

And we need to do what he says as far as taxes go???? Sounds like "do as I say, NOT as I do"
09:39 AM on 11/04/2011
And what's wrong with that? If more of the uber wealthy would take it upon themselves to decide upon the use of their (more likely than not) ill gotten gains, and chose the wisest way to pay it forward, instead of assuming the government will make the best use of their taxes, we'd be further along the road to a level playing field, don't you think? It's not as if the US govt has such a good record in deciding how best to use taxpayer's funds... would you rather it were used to bailout the banks, for instance?
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rlellis711
EMC(SW) Retired
10:27 AM on 11/04/2011
My point is the Gates gets to decided what to do with his money, most dont.
09:42 AM on 11/04/2011
When you're worth $59 Billion call us....
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rlellis711
EMC(SW) Retired
10:27 AM on 11/04/2011
Wow, great response. How many 4 year-olds helped you come up with it
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jabailo
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04:34 AM on 11/04/2011
Gates, Cain, Buffet and all the other insiders have one thing in common...protecting their entrenched assets at the expense of this nation.

Here is a better way:

2% Asset Tax Can Eliminate All Other Taxes

"If the total value of all US assets is about $200 trillion, and the total tax revenue in the US (federal, state, and local combined) is about $4 trillion per year, then if follows that a simple tax of 2% on all US assets would pay all taxes."

http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1133205
08:24 AM on 11/04/2011
Let us not be extreme now. There are good and bad rich people and we should distinguish. We can't keep attacking the good ones and do charity work. That being said, it is good to be prudent.
03:45 AM on 11/04/2011
Love the idea, except for the whole Robin Hood theme. More like the bankers been robbing our hoods...
No one should be asking for a handout to help the poor. It's not charity. This is a tax to pay for the costs of allowing such destructive banking to occur. Sales taxes apply to many sectors of the economy, why not to one of the biggest sectors?
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11:15 PM on 11/03/2011
http://www.counterpunch.org/brown06302010.html
Ellen Brown: Who Will Pay: Wall Street or Main Street?

"...A more viable and more equitable solution would be to tap into the only major market left on the planet that is not now subject to a sales tax – the “financial products” that are the stock in trade of the robust financial sector itself. A financial transaction tax on speculative trading is sometimes called a “Tobin tax,” after the man who first proposed it, Nobel laureate economist James Tobin. The revenue potential of a Tobin tax is huge. The Bank for International Settlements reported in 2008 that total annual derivatives trades were $1.14 quadrillion (a quadrillion is a thousand trillion). That figure was probably low, since over-the-counter trades are unreported and their magnitude is unknown. A mere 1% tax on $1 quadrillion in trades would generate $10 trillion annually in public funds. That is only for derivatives. There are also stocks, bonds and other financial trades to throw in the mix; and more than half of this trading occurs in the United States.

A Tobin tax would not generate these huge sums year after year, because it would largely kill the computerized high-frequency program trades that now compose 70% of stock market purchases. But that is a worthy end in itself..."
10:54 PM on 11/03/2011
Nurses should not be involved in this issue because they are members of the health care industry which is responsible for creating this debacle along with Wall st. What a joke.
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02:49 AM on 11/04/2011
Blaming nurses makes as much sense as blaming banks tellers for the financial meltdown.
09:43 AM on 11/04/2011
...or like blaming teachers for the dysfunction in our educational system...
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
09:53 AM on 11/04/2011
Nurses are NOT responsible. They are paid employees who have watched their salaries decrease along with every other working american except the politicians and bankers.(they don't really work for their money i suppose) It's CEO's of huge health care corporations and Insurance companies that have created our current wrecked healthcare which is the world's most expensive and one of the hardest to get access to in the world.
10:19 PM on 11/03/2011
Some oligarchs understand that decimating the American middle class and impoverishing too many Americans will only cause social and political unrest.

And whether they care about ordinary Americans or not, they are smart enough to NOT want to live in a banana republic where the rich are hated and have to live in fear.

THAT means the rich must pay more taxes and the social safety net should not be cut when it is most needed (during a recession/depression) as well as finding a way to create jobs.
06:16 AM on 11/04/2011
Your angle is slightly different and pretty interesting: the rich ponying up more, willingly, as a security measure...
09:45 AM on 11/04/2011
...but nooooooooooo, they'd rather play Risk.
08:58 PM on 11/03/2011
Taxing derivatives is like taxing cocaine, drug trafficking, or snatching purses.

Why would we want to legitamize a system of looting?

It's like saying: "Goldman can sell s---- deals and bet against their own clients as long as we can tax them".

It's no way to rebuild the physical and the only solution is Glass-Steagall so Wall Street/City of London are free to make all the money they want screwing their customers but their derivatives will not be backed by commercial deposits.
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anastmosis
12:29 AM on 11/04/2011
As you say, reinstating Glass-Steagall is the real answer, but to be practical, we should push for this as a first step towards that ultimate goal. There's so much to be done and so much resistance to it that anything that's a step in the right direction should be pursued.
08:48 PM on 11/03/2011
In the US alone, three financial clearinghouses, DTCC http://dtcc.com/about/business/, CHIPs http://www.chips.org/docs/000652.pdf, and FedWire http://www.frbservices.org/accesstreasury/index.html, process almost three quadrillion in transactions annually. Factoring in all other exchanges of value in our economy it is apparent that four to five QUADRILLION dollars flows through the system, mostly in the huge financial casino of modern capitalism.

Assuming a minimum total tax base of four quadrillion dollars, wherein every single documented transfer of value is taxed at the same low rate regardless of classification or size, a rate of ten cents per thousand dollars produces $400 billion in revenue, while a rate of done dollar per thousand, a mere one tenth of one percent, generates $4 trillion, more than enough to fund the entire federal budget.

Facts are facts. There is enough money sloshing back and forth in the US financial casino to totally fund the federal budget at a tax rate of one mil.

Support Universal Exchange Tax (UET), the only truly fair and equitable method of taxation, assessing the movement of money or value within an economic arena, wherein all contribute based upon level of economic activity, not according to political whimsy. UET is constitutional for all citizens, real and fictitious.
shylove2
warfare state is pathological
08:38 PM on 11/03/2011
Yes, in an interdependent world everyone depends on everyone elses economic as well as physical health...there are no self made men.. there are interconnected men who are in touch with the world they live in and the world they live in touches them
08:04 PM on 11/03/2011
There isn't going to be a financial transaction tax (FTT) because:

1. The Republican controlled house of representatives would kill it if it came up for a vote.

2. Key Democrats in the Senate like Charles Schumer and Dick Durbin are against it.

3. The Obama administration came out against the FTT saying that treasury department studies showed that most of the cost would be born by retail investors and not the financial institutions. The Obama administration is putting forward an alternative type of tax (similar to what they use in Sweden). Lael Brainard, Treasury Department Undersecretary for International Affairs, recently said: “We're very much in sync with Europe on their goal of ensuring that large financial institutions bear their fair share of the burden, but the US-proposed 'responsibility fee' would better deter the kind of risky behavior that led to the crisis as well as ensure that large financial institutions and not retail investors bear the burden."

4. The European Union's "Impact Assessment Report" of the EU proposed FTT showed that it would contract GDP, costs thousands of jobs and would actually decrease total tax revenue collections because taxes lost from the contracting economy and decreased employment would be greater than the FTT taxes collected. After reading the report, the Czech Finance Minister called the tax "economically irrational." The Swedish Finance Minister also denounced the tax and said that Sweden would not participate. The UK, Ireland and Malta have also opted out of the EU FTT.
03:52 AM on 11/04/2011
Don't you like those excuses....the costs will be borne by taxpayers, the economy will contract....um...kinda like it has already without the tax, and without a revenue stream to help balance the debt borne of bailouts.
07:36 PM on 11/03/2011
I firmly back a tax on Wall Street financial transactions, I have to pay tax on nearly everything that I buy why shouldn't someone buying shares in a company or futures. I also think that a tax may slow down high speed trading that has become a questionable practice.
07:36 PM on 11/03/2011
Mr. Gates could fund the whole revenue stream that the new tax would generate for 4 years out of his own overloaded pocket. Mr. Gates is very anxiuos to tax the rest of us, but is never willing to pay a FAIR SHARE of taxes himself. To that end, to avoid the inheritance tax, the majority of Mr. Gates EXTREME WEALTH will be turned over to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation TAX FREE upon his death. I guess we're supposed to care deeply about the impoverished, but (by his action, not his words) Mr. Gates certainly is not.
gclafontaine
Sand is a small price to pay for sandlessness.
09:39 PM on 11/03/2011
The man is giving his money away.
07:23 PM on 11/03/2011
Of course Mr. Gates likes this tax because it's a tax he will NEVER PAY. Mr. Gates doesn't trade stocks, he just holds onto roughly $60 Billion in Microsoft stock. Microsoft pays a mediocre DIVIDEND so Mr. Gates doesn't have too much tax exposure. The majority of Mr. Gates wealth comes from holding shares of Microsoft that have accumulated in value over time due to retained corporate earnings. Since UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAINS aren't taxed, the majority of Mr. Gates' (and Mr. Buffett's) wealth increase over the years has NEVER BEEN TAXED. If we truly want the extremely wealthy to pay their FAIR SHARE in Taxes, we will change the law to include year over year increases in the price of stocks not traded as INCOME. With this tax, Mr.Gates would have a first year 'catch up' tax bill of about $20 Billion. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, Mr. Gates wealth will NEVER BE TAXED because after he dies, his vast wealth will become the tax free property of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

The proposed tax is just a stupid little tax that will fall on pension funds and mutual funds and small time investors that will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to slow the accumulation and concentration of wealth worldwide. We are on the threshold of a return to MIDDLE AGE style Feudalism, with the oligarchy of worldwide Billionaires in charge..
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BOS29
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08:56 PM on 11/03/2011
F&F! Exactly! This FTT idea is seriously flawed for the reasons you pointed out. To generate real revenue, on those making a million or more, increase the tax brackets incrementally beginning at 40%, i.e. top bracket at 90% for those making a billion or more; tax unrealized capital gains at 10%; realized gains at 20%; increase the estate tax to 55% on assets greater than 2.5 million. That would get us back to the revenue generation comparable to what we had in 1947-1970s.
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anastmosis
12:23 AM on 11/04/2011
why does it have to be either/or? I support changes to the tax brackets AND the FTT. The FTT affects the high frequency electronic traders most of all and the long-term small timers investing for the long haul the least.
03:59 AM on 11/04/2011
I agree with where you're going, but taxing unrealized gains can't work. Temporary numbers is all they are until you sell, at which point you pay.
04:09 AM on 11/04/2011
Yes, but that $60B number isn't cash, mostly stock...and if he wanted to sell even 10% of it, it would likely drop in value by that same percentage...

Even if he could dump it all, it would fall by 20-30% probably, and then he'd have a tax bill that would cut that down another chunk. Certainly not chump change, but $60B becomes $30-40B.
So instead, he sells off a little at a time, regulated intervals, and give it all to charity / non profit work.
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Bellanova
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07:14 PM on 11/03/2011
Yay! for the nurses (and Bill Nighy, of course -- any time ;)).
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OneTop
Uh, is that a beer hall?
06:54 PM on 11/03/2011
""French President Nicolas Sarkozy asked him to give G20 leaders recommendations on how to raise funds to meet the needs of the world's poorest.""

It's ironic that Sarkozy, who is obviously limited, has with cooperation of Merkel et al and the IMF to do everything they can to increase the number of poor.

If the ruling elite would like to address world poverty, then they should ban all speculation on commodities and food stuffs. A barrel of oil is traded on average 27 times before it is physically delivered. Ban the speculation on Foreign Exchange, unwind and ban all derivatives. Withdraw funding for the IMF and World Bank and allow them to fade into the sunset.

That would do much more for the world, and the world's poor than any tax dreamt up by Mr. Gates or anyone else.