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Sean Carman

Posted: January 12, 2010 10:00 PM

This Whole Leno/Conan Thing Makes No Sense

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I've just read Conan O'Brien's letter to the People of Earth about the Tonight Show mess, and I think he has a point. The implication of his letter is that there is only one Tonight Show, and NBC should just decide who will host it. That sounds right.

Hopefully, Conan's hard-hitting letter will bring NBC to its senses, and the network will make the difficult but obviously correct decision about who is most qualified to host the Tonight Show, and give the job to Tina Fey.

But unless that happens, nothing about this controversy will make any sense to me.

First, there is the matter of what, exactly, is at stake. You might think Conan and Leno are fighting over the right to host the late-night talk show known as The Tonight Show.

But there are so many late-night talk shows, all of them with the same format, and only slight variations on the same name, and none of them starring Johnny Carson, that it's hard to tell what makes the Tonight Show the Tonight Show anymore. From what I can tell, the two things that make The Tonight Show The Tonight Show are that it is called The Tonight Show (well, that seems obvious) and that it airs at 11:30 eastern time on NBC.

This theory fits with what NBC has done, which is take the only two essential qualities of The Tonight Show and split them, giving one to each of the show's two potential hosts, thereby destroying whatever was actually left of The Tonight Show, and, as Letterman said, making The Tonight Show The Tomorrow Show, which was a real show, actually, hosted by Tom Snyder.

All of which leaves us with a show called The Tonight Show, which airs at midnight, and therefore cannot be The Tonight Show, and another show, in the time slot of The Tonight Show, with The Tonight Show's format, and even its former host, but that is not called the Tonight Show, and therefore ALSO cannot be The Tonight Show.

You can see how confusing all of this is, and how, the more you think about it, the harder it becomes to care too much about it.

Why not let them both call their show The Tonight Show? Who says there can be only one Tonight Show? If you can have more than one Tonight Show in a week, why can't you have more than one in a night?

I mean, let's say NBC airs The Tonight Show with Jay Leno at 10:30, and, at 11:35 The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien. Is anyone really going to notice? Or even care?

I suspect Conan and Leno are really fighting over the 11:30 time slot. But that is even more confusing, because it suggests that any late-night talk show, no matter how good, can only get a decent audience in that one hour. Which means that viewers won't make time to watch their favorite talk show, they will just tune into the best talk show that happens to air at 11:30.

In other words, there's a one-hour window in our biological clocks, from 11:30 to 12:30 at night, when our body wants a talk show. Move our favorite show from that one hour, and we won't watch it. It isn't television that's programmed, it's us! Television programming is only accommodating itself to our schedule.

This whole Leno / Conan thing gets creepy and strange when you dive into it.

Think about the implications: at 11 pm our bodies must crave bad local news. In the mid-morning and mid-afternoon, what we want most is dramatic shows on cheap sets with broken families fighting over nonsense. At 8pm, we crave structured narrative, preferably a show in which a group of friends gather in an office or a coffee shop. At least once a week, we have to have a cop show.

I'm willing to bet, though, that there is no time of the day when our bodies actually want reality television. I'm pretty sure of that.

One last thing I don't understand: Conan said in his letter that since 2004 he has spent "literally hundreds of hours" thinking of ways to extend The Tonight Show's legacy. Um, hundreds of hours? Since 2004? That has to be a mistake. "Hundreds" of hours in five years works out to maybe 100 hours a year, which is, like, two hours a week. It has to have been more than that. I think Conan meant "countless hours," which literally means we don't know how many, but that it was a LOT.

Conan, if you're reading this, at your press conference it's "countless." Countless hours devoted to the Tonight Show. Countless.

 

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I've just read Conan O'Brien's letter to the People of Earth about the Tonight Show mess, and I think he has a point. The implication of his letter is that there is only one Tonight Show, and NBC shou...
I've just read Conan O'Brien's letter to the People of Earth about the Tonight Show mess, and I think he has a point. The implication of his letter is that there is only one Tonight Show, and NBC shou...
 
 
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Puller58
Man of Mystery
12:24 PM on 01/14/2010
This whole thing isn't all that unusual. Years ago, Jack Paar walked off the Tonight Show for having a joke of his censored. Even someone in Congress commented on it tongue in cheek. Even Regis Philbin walked off Joey Bishop's show early in his career. I say get everybody on Jerry Springer and have a brawl.
06:31 PM on 01/13/2010
What's the problem with these NBC Executives! They make MILLION to make the most stupid and irrational decisions. Did they go to the same management school as our banking industry ?
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05:41 PM on 01/13/2010
There are baseball parks all over the world but there is only one Fenway. (or cough, gulp Yankee Stadium).
Keeping the flame for the Tonight Show seems like a worthy thing to aspire to and to be crushed not to keep. Your cavalier dismissal seems tone deaf.

BUT Tiny Fey just might be the best talk show host since JC!
08:07 PM on 01/13/2010
um, there is actually a new yankee stadium. probably not the best example. and i really can't equate a ballpark to a tv show. the tonight show has had multiple hosts with multiple slants on humor. don't act like the tonight show is a static entity that hasn't changed and evolved over the years.
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10:23 PM on 01/13/2010
Babe, Joe D, Casey, Yogi, Mickey, Roger... it hurts too much to go on ( I'm from Boston. Don't even think Bucky F. Dent!)

All "hosts" of Yankee Stadium.

Institutions survive their legends!
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bnyb
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04:08 PM on 01/13/2010
OMG OMG OMG!!!! Enough!!!!

I've never believed any of us viewers really true know/care about who/what/where these Leno/Conan/Letterman shows are shown - I couldn't even tell you what channel they are broadcasted and I watch TV. A lot of TV.

What a huge palaver about nothing!
08:08 PM on 01/13/2010
100% dead-on.
03:27 PM on 01/13/2010
tom snyder hosted the Tomorrow show.
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05:46 PM on 01/13/2010
I am sure you meant The Legendary Tom Snyder!
02:45 PM on 01/13/2010
Conan wasn't given the same chance as others, i.e., more time. No one's mentioning that Letterman got a huge bump in ratings do to the sex scandal. Bad timing for Conan.
01:59 PM on 01/13/2010
Here's the difference between what Conan wants and what Jay wants: Conan wants to host The Tonight Show, Jay just wants his own platform. Jay never cared about The Tonight Show as an institution. To him, it's just a means to an end. That's why his 10:00 show is practically the same what he did on The Tonight Show. Meanwhile, Conan's show feels like The Tonight Show I grew up watching. It's an update to be sure, but Conan really projects that he wants to do Johnny Carson proud. Contrast that against Jay who stole the show from Johnny's hand-picked successor. The man has no respect for Johnny and never deserved his show.
02:03 PM on 01/13/2010
Thanks, Sumocat. That makes sense.
06:01 PM on 01/13/2010
That all makes sense until you reach the "Johnny's hand-picked successor" part. NBC worshipped Carson, and had he publically annointed a successor (I assume you mean Letterman), that guy would have taken over the show when Carson retired. Carson would have literally handed him the baton in front of the world -- and NBC would have loved every second of it.

It is possible that Carson didn't really care about the "Tonight" show's future as much as people think he did. No crime there. His work was done. As for now, Carson is gone, and whether his fans like it or not, his opinion, whatever it was, no longer counts.

Personally, I like Conan, but I think his quirky style worked better in a New York setting at a later time. Still, NBC gave Conan the keys to the "Tonight" show, and if he is really committed to making it work, he should be given a fair chance. The NBC 10:00 Leno cock-up is not Conan's fault--and he shouldn't be punished for it.
08:11 PM on 01/13/2010
that is nothing more than what you wish to be true, based on your own preferences. you don't have any idea what either of them is thinking.

making up stuff like this does nothing but hurt conan's overall argument. at least come up something concrete.
01:58 PM on 01/13/2010
As is the case in most conflicts, what this really is about is respect, not merely the positions the parties are all locked into. By bumping Conan and giving Leno the coveted 11:35 time slot, what the network is really saying is Leno is more entitled to it, more valuable, etc... They are disregarding the fact that Conan played the game, did his job, and should at least be given a real chance to win over his audience.

When networks start messing with programming and changing times after a few mere months, they risk losing even more of their audience in the process. And don't think they won't blame Conan when even more of his audience is siphoned off as a result of the confusion. Leno chose to go along with this experiment, one that has hurt the entertainment industry's creative community (something both heads of ABC & CBS have pointed out). And now that he and this experiment have failed, he needs to do the right thing, step down, and go do something else. Oh, and Zucker and Gaspin needs to be fired.
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05:49 PM on 01/13/2010
Respect took a powder a long time ago.

This is about dollars, millions and millions of dollars!
01:57 PM on 01/13/2010
"What was NBC management thinking?"
THEY WEREN'T (thinking) ... beyond their bottom line (it's cheaper to produce Jay's show than REAL ENTERTAINMENT -- Medium, Southland, etc). Besides, NBC hasn't had a great programming chief since Brian Tartakoff (sadly, deceased some years ago).
GE ran NBC like part of its corporate structure -- NOT as a broadcasting operation that had to answer to VIEWERS. We the People (the public) ... viewers OWN THE AIRWAVES -- not NBC (or Comcast).
NBC wasn't bright enough to let Jay walk out the door - WHEN HE RETIRED (as they should have). So, NBC RE-INVENTED the wheel for Jay -- screwing COUNTLESS MILLIONS OF LOYAL VIEWERS IN THE PROCESS. Now, we the VIEWERS see NBC screwing ANOTHER nice man & good talent: CONAN.
Less than three million people want to see Jay Leno -- at any time period. Conan deserves the 11:35pm time slot as he labored FOR 16-YRS as a "second fiddle" when he COULD HAVE gone elsewhere (like Letterman did, when NBC screwed HIM).
Jay got the Tonight Show by playing under-handed (listening in on confidential NBC execs conference calls, etc. THEN PRETENDING he was getting "inside info" from higher-ups). NBC caved to Jay's shenanigans before & LOST LETTERMAN.
All NBC is doing NOW is: creating an ugly BOYCOTT for itself by the MILLIONS of 10pm drama viewers, Conan's fans, and the general public of America WHO HATES "dirty pool" ... the kind NBC has been playing for years!
08:18 PM on 01/13/2010
"Less than three million people want to see Jay Leno -- at any time period. Conan deserves the 11:35pm time slot as he labored FOR 16-YRS as a "second fiddle" when he COULD HAVE gone elsewhere (like Letterman did, when NBC screwed HIM)."

there are so many fallacies in that one statement that it is ridiculous. first, many more people watched leno at 11:30 than watch conan, so your first sentence is asinine. i don't care if you believe you have better taste than the average viewer, but you don't speak for every viewer out there- certainly not the millions more who watched leno than obrien.

he played "second fiddle" for 16 years? really, i thought it was called building a resume, as he had no prior late night talk experience. and you make it sound like he toiled in a coal mine or something.
07:30 AM on 01/14/2010
Actually, according to the research, while Conan wasn't getting as many viewers total as Leno at 11:35, he was actually winning the coveted 28-49 year old age range. He was even outdoing Letterman in that respect. If I were an NBC exec, I would focus on the viewer group that will be around for the rest of Conan's career. I would not focus on the aging group that is likely going to stop staying awake till 1135.
01:36 PM on 01/13/2010
What I personally don't understand is why NBC wont just let The Jay Leno Show be what it is; A FAILURE! Given other choices, Leno's viewers will NOT choose him.

But instead they choose to ACCOMMODATE Leno, and his show. Cause god forbid Leno's last days on TV are remembered as him FAILING.

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05:58 PM on 01/13/2010
Disclaimer: I am not a Leno fan.

Conan has delivered to NBC 1/2 of Jay Leno's Tonight Show audience.

Jay's 10PM show has about the same ratings as his old Tonight Show. Not good enough for 10PM and the lead-in for local news but clearly not a "failure" and double Conan.

Now, you are the newly promoted programming VP for NBC and your phone is ringing off the hook from TV stations all over the country that are losing millions in local news ad dollars because their news ratings are down 30 to 50 per cent. If you do not do something immediately they will withdraw 10P-11PM from NBC ad run local news at 10.

What would do?
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07:13 PM on 01/13/2010
You cancel Leno's show and give him a once-a-week variety show at 9 that improves upon his 10 PM failure. You don't screw Conan and the Tonight Show franchise.
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mredder4
12:13 PM on 01/14/2010
Keep in mind that many potential Tonight Show viewers for Conan are getting a cheap knock-off product a few hours earlier. NBC is screwing itself out of viewers by running two too-similar shows in such close proximity to each other. Conan's Tonight Show will never get a chance to prove itself so long as that is happening. All of Jay Leno's success can be traced to the fact that during his prime, he had solid dramas on at 10:00 PM that would lead people into local news, then into the Tonight Show. The ads during the prime time shows tells folks who is on the Tonight Show that night, which motivates them to tune in. Conan has been denied that since The Jay Leno Show starting airing and those 10 PM dramas vanished.
01:21 PM on 01/13/2010
Stewart and Colbert are the real threat to late night talk.
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Milash
It says I should edit my micro-bio, so I did.
01:30 PM on 01/13/2010
I second that.
06:02 PM on 01/13/2010
Along with Bill Maher on HBO.
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Jazmo
Cause they're hip to the bull and hip to the lies.
01:19 PM on 01/13/2010
They are fighting over the timeslot. NBC screwed Conan and what he considers to be the legacy of the Tonight Show. I've always been of the opinion that Johnny Carson was the show. How could it be the Tonight Show at 1:05 a.m.? Wouldn't that be "The Very Early Morning or Late Night Show"? Didn't Dave Attell already do that?
04:57 AM on 01/13/2010
I weaned my self from these late night somnambulists years ago. Read a book, its better way to fall asleep.
03:47 AM on 01/13/2010
Quite likely, many (or most) of Conan's fans and Fallon's fans will boycott Leno's show --- if Conan is sent packing, and Fallon's show is moved even later.

Thus, Leno cannot succeed at the 11:30 timeslot on NBC.
01:11 PM on 01/13/2010
i'm no leno fan, but he seemed to get on fine before. i think probably part of the problem is that there weren't enough conan fans to make a difference to begin with, as he now regularly gets beat by letterman.
01:16 AM on 01/13/2010
how about "hundreds upon hundreds of hours...." or maybe he meant forty hundred hours.