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Tell President Obama: Stop the NRA From Making Our Laws

Posted: 12/09/11 08:28 AM ET

Among the many dangerous bills that corporate lobbyists and the Tea Party are sending slithering through Congress is one supported by the NRA that not only flies in the face of states' rights to set their own local laws, but is a direct threat to public safety for millions of Americans across the nation.

We need to act now to stop it.

The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act (H.R. 822) would allow gun owners to carry a concealed firearm across state lines even if they weren't issued a permit by that state. That means Texas Governor Rick Perry could decide who can carry a concealed weapon in your state -- even if they have a criminal record that your state would consider a barrier to owning a gun.

This gun industry bill recently passed the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, with a little bit of Democratic help as well.

Americans of conscience who believe in protecting public safety should join us in asking President Obama to issue a veto threat to this ridiculous bill now, before it goes even further in Congress.

We have a petition, at www.StopHR822.com, to send President Obama a strong message from regular Americans across the nation that we will not let the gun manufacturers make laws that benefit them at the risk of public safety.

Click here immediately to call on President Obama to veto H.R. 822 -- we can't let this bill go any further.

Hypocritically violating a traditional Republican/conservative value, H.R. 822 would have the federal government override state laws decided at the local level.

Many states, including New York and New Jersey, have sensible laws to limit access to concealed weapons permits to those who might jeopardize public safety.

But H.R. 822 would allow visitors carrying concealed weapons to ignore such laws as long as they have a permit issued in another state -- even if that state exercises little or no control over who may carry a concealed weapon.

States with sensible laws to restrict concealed weapons would be forced to accept the weakest standards in the nation - and their citizens would be forced to accept the deadly risk to public safety that would result if this bill becomes law.

As leading Congressional proponents of gun safety, we strongly oppose this bill and will work tirelessly to stop its passage. But we need your help. We ask that you join us today in urging President Obama to issue a veto threat and go on record immediately against this dangerous bill.

We deeply appreciate your standing with us in this important effort. Together, we can work to stop gun violence. Thank you very much for your support.

Frank Lautenberg is a Democratic Senator from New Jersey. Carolyn McCarthy is a Democratic Congresswoman representing New York's 4th District.

 
 
 
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10:38 AM on 12/24/2011
You have many errors in your article. First of all, the bill would only allow people to carry in states that allow carry-conceal.

Second, it would not allow you to get a permit in another state if you’re not allowed to in your state. You have to reside in a state that allows carry-conceal permits and be eligible for that permit in your own state. Once you have that permit in your own state, other states that allow carry-conceal permits/licenses will have to recognize that permit/license you have.

This does not allow “criminals to pack heat on your street.” If someone is not allowed to carry in their own state, they are not legally allowed to carry in your state.

It’s bad publicity like this that confuses people into making poor voting decisions.

This has absolutely no effect on how criminals illegally obtain firearms. This only makes things easier for law abiding citizens that carry firearms.
10:18 AM on 12/24/2011
The anti-gun groups have drastically stepped up their unfounded assaults on H.R. 822. Don't believe the lies of the anti-gun groups or the National Association for Gun Rights. If H.R. 822 is so obviously wrong why do all these groups have to resort to false and misleading statements to try to convince us how bad it is? Support the H.R. 822 companion bill (when and if there ever is one).

Instead of constant attacks on our 2nd Amendment Rights, maybe there should be a national drive to take 1st Amendment Rights away from liars. Lies are dangerous! Lies got us into a war in Iraq, caused the current financial crisis, and are depriving law-abiding citizens of their Constitutional Rights. Let's see how NY Mayor Bloomers and his Mayors Against Anyone But Criminals [or the rich and famous] Having Guns Campaign, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Lawful Citizens From Protecting Themselves, The National Association Against Gun Rights, the Press, and almost all Democratic politicians, like having their cherished US Constitutional, 1st Amendment Right to free speech constantly under attack!
10:17 AM on 12/24/2011
“ . . . THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED [Amendment II].” This statement does not create, limit or endow a right; it is an affirmation of a people's right. It also does not delegate to the United States the power to infringe upon that right. Instead, it prohibits any infringement of that right by any entity, not just the Federal Government of the United States, but also the States or any political subdivision thereof. “THIS CONSTITUTION . . . SHALL BE THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND; AND THE JUDGES IN EVERY STATE SHALL BE BOUND THEREBY, ANY THING IN THE CONSTITUTION OR LAWS OF ANY STATE TO THE CONTRARY NOTWITHSTANDING [Article VI].” All the States have reviewed and ratified the US Constitution, in its entirety, and are thereby bound by it. “THE POWERS NOT DELEGATED TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE CONSTITUTION, NOR PROHIBITED BY IT TO THE STATES, ARE RESERVED TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY, OR TO THE PEOPLE [Amendment X].” The right (and the power) to “keep and bear arms” is reserved to (and belongs to) the people and the power to infringe on that right is prohibited by Amendment II without any qualification or limitation.

This is not an issue of States' rights but rather is an issue of the Federal Government fulfilling its obligations [Article IV, Section 1 and Amendment XIV] to prevent States from denying citizens' US Constitutional rights!
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Hector Boag
Fast & Furious? Not me!
11:10 AM on 12/23/2011
I don't know of any state that doesn't do a thorough background check on concealed carry permits and fingerprints at a minimum. Law abiding citizens are the ones getting CCPs, not criminals. Congress is doing what the majority of their people want and that is to be able to carry across state lines without becoming a criminal themselves.
03:31 PM on 12/13/2011
I can't help but read some of these responses and shake my head. Where are you people getting these numbers and statistics? They are available online from agencies of the government that these two Law Makers are part of and hold the purse strings to. Fact: The national crime rate is falling, as is gun violence. While there is no legitimate study that can answer why is declining, it seems very strange that in a down economy when crime should rise, that it continues to decline.

Paralleling this phenomenon is the fact that gun ownership and the expanding right to carry firearms has increased. I am NOT saying it is the reason for the decline, but it is a very compelling factor to study.

However, the good Senators seemed to miss the results of NRA Sponsored measures like Operation Cease Fire and Project Exile. Operation Cease Fire lowered the deaths from gun violence from 73 in 1989 to only one in the year 2000. Project Exile was touted for its success by the Clinton Administration and the Al Gore presidential campaign of 2000; however, Project Exile was the brainchild of the NRA and the ILA in the mid 90's.
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
02:31 PM on 12/12/2011
Am I correct in my intrepting the article, the thses two politicians are saying the states have the rights to set their own gun controls within their own borders? If I read this artical correct that is. I have also heard arguments in this discussion site and others that the states have that right to set gun controls within their borders. They all speak passionately over this issue.

But, on the other hand, aren't these same people who bemoan the states rights to set their own laws without federal interference on the issue of gun conrol whether it concealed carry, or an outright ban to even own a gun in certain cities of that state, cry and shout, and blocked Arizona's attempt to curtail the influx of illegal aliens into it's borders?

I don't understand. One right set by the states...Good. Another right set by the states...Bad. If these same people want the states to have the right to gun control, they should want the same states have the right in deter the influx of illegals into its borders.
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Hellova Stoner
I throw stones
07:54 AM on 12/12/2011
"Guns don't kill people, People kill people"

Explain that to Virginia Tech.

*Living in Texas - ducking for cover*
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:22 AM on 12/12/2011
Did a firearm, and not a human, commit homicide at Virginia Tech?
12:27 AM on 12/13/2011
Gun use kills people. 30,000 Americans are killed by gun use yearly. The tyranny of the NRA continues.
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luieburger
Libertarian Socialist (Google it)
09:50 AM on 12/12/2011
Lets not forget what happened only a year or so before the Virginia Tech shooting. They banned concealed carry on campus to make their campus "more safe." We saw how well that worked out didn't we.
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ElmCreekSmith
If the truth hurts, it should.
10:54 PM on 12/13/2011
Shades of Senator Dianne Feinstein:

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
--U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein Associated Press 11/18/93

Compare Ms. Feinstein's comments to this one:
"Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

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HisXLNC
No.
04:56 AM on 12/12/2011
To be honest, i'd rather the NRA write the laws when it comes to guns. I'm willing to be they'd at least know what a barrel shroud is.
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hagagaga
My comments are funnier than yours.
02:54 PM on 12/12/2011
It's that shoulder thing that goes up, right?
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UnknownSolider
06:04 PM on 12/11/2011
The 2nd Amendment comes down to whether you believe the States have Rights or not.

We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of its own who owe it allegiance, and whose rights, within its jurisdiction, it must protect. The same person may be at the same time a citizen of the United States and a citizen of a State, but his rights of citizenship under one of these governments will be different from those he has under the other.[10]
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:23 AM on 12/12/2011
Collective entities, such as states, have no "rights".  Rights are an exclusive property of individuals.  Collectives may have "powers", but they cannot have "rights".
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UnknownSolider
10:48 AM on 12/12/2011
"but his rights of citizenshi­p under one of these government­s will be different from those he has under the other"...................... Which part don't you understand
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UnknownSolider
11:30 AM on 12/12/2011
semantics, do they have the Rights or Power to restrict your Constitutionally Protected right to keep and bear arms, as per the Second Amendment. The Roberts court said yes they do. I disagree with the courts decision, even though they invalidated the DC handgun ban. We are one country, I should not, nor should anyone fear being arrested and having their right to vote stripped from them for purchasing a product that is legal by the founding document of the Nation. Purchasing a firearm and possessing it, should be nor more illegal in Tenneesee than it is New York.
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UnknownSolider
06:01 PM on 12/11/2011
This is for those that have NO IDEA about the history of the United States or how Dangerous the Supreme Court is. 

The Supreme Court ruled on a range of issues and found the indictment faulty. It overturned the convictions of two defendants in the case. The Court did not incorporate the Bill of Rights to the states and found that the First Amendment right to assembly "was not intended to limit the powers of the State governments in respect to their own citizens" and that the Second Amendment "has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government."

Although the Enforcement Act had been designed primarily to allow Federal enforcement and prosecution of actions of the Ku Klux Klan and other secret vigilante groups in preventing blacks from voting and murdering them,[3] the Cruikshank court held that the Due Process andEqual Protection Clauses applied only to state action, and not to actions of individuals: "The fourteenth amendment prohibits a State from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; but this adds NOTHING to the rights of one citizen as against another."[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank
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10:47 AM on 12/12/2011
This is for those that have NO IDEA about how to read a court opinion. In Cruikshank private individuals (members of the KKK) conspired together not merely to deprive blacks the right to vote, but to violently murder them. They hearded them into a courthouse and then set the building ablaze, killing them in what is called the Colfax Massacre, one of the worst race inspired mass murders in the history of the USA.

Since the actions were not those of government, but those of individuals, the individuals could not be charged with violating the constitutional rights of those they harmed, since the equal protection clause and the due process clause are limitations upon STATE GOVERNMENTS and not private individuals.

Additionally, the Cruikshank Court held that the PRIVILEGES OR IMMUNITIES clause of the 14th amendment did not act so as to incorporate the Bill of Rights as to make them effective against the states. This merely affirmed a prior case known as the Slaughterhouse Cases, decided in 1873, which case has been widely criticized by most in legal academia as being wrongly decided.

SCOTUS, in lieu of directly overturning Slaughterhouse, has employed the due process clause of the 14th amendment so as to incorporate the Bill of Rights as being a limitation on state action. Thus, states may not establish a religion or prevent the free exercise thereof, or limit freedom of speech or the press, OR INFRINGE UPON THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.
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UnknownSolider
11:24 AM on 12/12/2011
ummm, one question Mr. Court Expert, do the current Conservative Justices on the Supreme Court agree with the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States? Or do they just use it when want to win a legal argument, but most other times they bad mouth it? So in the Cruikshank Decision the court said that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the States, so can you please inform the rest of us which Supreme Court reversed this nonsense, and by what reasoning did they use?
12:33 AM on 12/13/2011
Gun apologists read into 2A what they want, ignoring it is intended to secure the free state, not to slaughter 30,000 of its citizens yearly.
04:53 PM on 12/11/2011
Why do they think that a law abiding citizen, trained in the safe use of a firearm, would 'jeopardize public safety'???? I go to the range and practice more than most cops do......this is the elitist thinking of the democrats......they have their bodyguards and armed security, but we, the average peole, are worthy of being trusted with the tools to protect ourselves or our loved ones while we are outside of our home....can't wait to move from this state!!
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pugszb
i wish my dog could vote he has a nose for BS.
10:48 PM on 12/11/2011
It's the not so law abiding citizen that just has not been caught that is where the danger lies. Then you add a bar scenario with a bunch of booze and you have the means, motive, and opportunity all wrapped up in a nice little package. If you think conservatives don't have bodyguards dream on, I used to be Bob Duvall's stand-in. His bodyguard was an ex Pittsburgh Steeler. Why go back to the wild west? I have never needed a gun and I hitchhiked 100,000 miles when I was very young. i have not heard of any story where an armed citizen has prevented someone from mass murder. I do know of stories where innocents have almost been shot by armed citizens like someone giving aid to Gabrielle Giffords. The armed guy in the crowd almost shot her assistant, because of the confusion.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:24 AM on 12/12/2011
I am certain that you will be able to validate your hyperbole through demonstration that the establishment of "shall-issue" based concealed weapons permit systems has resulted in a significant reduction in "public safety" in all states where such systems are implemented.  Please do so.
10:27 AM on 12/12/2011
Please show all the harm done by legal concealed carry holders. Hint, it's next to none.

VA police were quite surprised when the law that allowed legal concealed carry in restaurants and bars was passed and implemented. Violent crime in bars dropped by 5%. About 500% more than violent crime dropped in the rest of the state.

You really haven't read the story about the Ms. Giffords shooting. Mr. Zamudio was not in the crowd. He was at a store, and had to drop his purchases, go outside to locate where the shooting was coming from, and run to the scene. He NEVER removed his firearm from his pocket, so he NEVER almost shot someone! The shooting was over, and he did exactly what he should have done, and helped to subdue Loughner. I wish people would quit using the Giffords shooting, when they are completely in the dark about the circumstances and chain of events.
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Bogstomper2
A secular conservative
04:35 PM on 12/11/2011
Here's one difference between the anti-gun people and the rest of us. If Lautenberg and McCarthy saw my guns and ammo, they would see an "arsenal of weapons" with "thousands of round of ammunition", and they would declare me a danger to society. After all, why would anyone want all that firepower if they weren't deranged?

If your average gun owner saw my guns and ammo, they would see only three modern, high-power firearms with the rest being .22s or military surplus bolt-actions. They would see that the thousands of rounds of ammo is just a few bricks of .22 shorts. They might mock me for not owning a single Mauser 98, but they wouldn't see me as dangerous.

The difference between the two is that Lautenberg and McCarthy's interpretation would be based on fear and ignorance; the average gun owner's interpretation would be based on knowledge and common sense. Which interpretation is more likely to be correct?
06:34 PM on 01/03/2012
What?? Not a single 98? You have multiple surplus bolt-action rifles, but no Gew98, no K98 from WWI or K98k from WWII? No lovingly sporterized 98 action turned into a modern rifle? Sad, very sad. Even worse, it would appear you need to count rimfire bricks to rise to the level of endangering society? Say it ain't so. Practically a charity case.
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jhnnxn
When discussing tax revenues don't feel, th
12:32 PM on 12/11/2011
I'm curious to hear someone who opposes this law and believes that all states should recognize same sex marriages explain why they're not a hypocrite.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:26 AM on 12/12/2011
I am unable to satisfy your curiosity, as I endorse both concealed weapons permit reciprocity and same-sex union reciprocity.  Should I assume that you are also not a hypocrite, and that you also endorse national reciprocity for both freedoms?
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jhnnxn
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09:55 AM on 12/12/2011
I endorse Article 1 Sec 4 of the Constitution so that would be a valid assumption.
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
11:16 AM on 12/12/2011
I hate to break your stereotypes, but I fully support gun rights, same sex marriage, and abortion. Don't fall prey to the smoke and mirrors of (R) vs (D) when it come to constitutional rights. You do realize that BOTH parties try to compromise our constitutional rights at a sickening rate?
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jhnnxn
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01:20 PM on 12/12/2011
That's a very interesting thing for you to tell someone who has been registered Libertarian since 1982. You do realize that there are multiple hypocrites around here on both sides of this issue.
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
08:03 AM on 12/11/2011
This is a direct quote from the article...

Many states, including New York and New Jersey, have sensible laws to limit access to concealed weapons permits to those who might jeopardize public safety.

It's about halfway down. Is it just me? Read it carefully.
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Y3rMawm
veni, vidi, bibi.
12:04 AM on 12/11/2011
Why should the NRA Stop? Banks, Public Sector Unions, and Enviro-terroristall feed at the same trough. When they are stop, then perhaps the NRA should be too. At least the NRA is working in support of the Constitution.
12:41 AM on 12/13/2011
The NRA has their own agenda and they hide behind their interpretation of the Constitution. The tyranny of the NRA needs to stop.
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
08:45 AM on 12/13/2011
And what interpretation is that? Freedom to own a gun as stated under the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights? Just scandalous.
09:22 AM on 12/13/2011
Gee, another unfounded, un-sourced assertion from ScorpioTop! Who'da thunk it?