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Why Attend Seminary?

Posted: 07/12/2012 5:08 pm

As president of Union Theological Seminary, I am very proud of this institution's 175-year history as a force for socially-engaged Christianity in America and around the world. It's fascinating to me, though, how many people know of Union but have absolutely no idea what happens on our campus, or at other seminaries.

If you announce plans to attend law, medical, or business school, your friends and family will have a fairly good idea what you'll be doing for the next few years. Share your goal to become a seminarian, however, and you likely will be met with puzzled, if not skeptical, looks. Images of medieval, monastic endeavors are conjured, happening at a place where those who are excessively pious go to become even more excessively pious. And, they probably wear long brown robes.

While it's true that Union's front door opens onto a convent-like courtyard -- where the commotion of Manhattan is stilled -- that's about all we share with our medieval forebears. Today's students, both bleary-eyed and overly-caffeinated, wear hipster sneakers, or bow ties, or industrial earrings. Their conversations range from the ethics of organic vegetables, to the religious roots of 12-step programs. Just this last year, we welcomed to our chapel speakers ranging from popular columnist Dan Savage and artist Marina Abramovic, to the great pulpit preacher Reverend Dr. James Forbes.

Coming from a Latin word for "seed," a seminary is a garden where new ideas and new viewpoints are carefully cultivated. And, not just so-called "religious" ideas, either. Union, you see, embodies a model of protestant education created by John Calvin, the 16th-century French intellectual and Genevan Reformer. Calvin advocated that to discern the meaning of life, you must study everything -- math, science, history, and languages -- and all with equal intensity of purpose.

We tend to forget many of America's best-known academic institutions -- Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Emory, and Vanderbilt, to name only a few -- were originally founded as seminaries. To become ministers, students at these schools were given what we now think of as a "liberal arts" education. Union Theological Seminary still stands by this broad ideal of intellectual freedom. The more we know about the world, the more we know about ourselves. As we understand ourselves better, we gain a greater understanding of God. And the more we come to know God, the more truly we know ourselves.

With fundamentalism of all sorts on the rise in the religious realm, and ever-more narrowly-defined partisan rhetoric overtaking the political, this academic goal -- no limits; no "off limits" -- is just as crucially relevant now as it was in Calvin's day.

There are basically two types of students who show up at Union each autumn, ready to engage in such a fearless style of learning. First, and most traditionally, are those who've grown up in a church or a faith-based community, and are now highly-motivated to become a pastor or religious leader. They are Baptists, Unitarians, Episcopalians, and Presbyterians, and the list goes on. They've come to Union because they want to be on the leading edge of religious leaders who are rethinking church life, to make it more faithful and pertinent.

Secondly, and equally important, are those who might not have grown up in churches, or read the Bible, or even heard of John Calvin, yet they're drawn to Union because of spiritual yearnings and an abiding concern about social justice. Most of these students aren't headed towards traditional pulpits, but to work in the non-profit realm or other professional environments. We teach the value of community and the joy of connecting with people who are different from them, yet with whom they can find great common cause. All our students discover they're not the first seminarians to ask hard questions about society, to push the boundaries of what is considered acceptable theology, or to protest against abuses done in
the name of God. In our classes they meet centuries of rebels who have put their lives on the line to stand up for unpopular causes. Moreover, they learn that deep thought and wise action requires rigorous study.

How do we discern a truth that can grasp us fully, and what is demanded of our lives when we stand, humbly, before this truth? A seminary education centers on thinking about the "why" of existence, and making it come alive in a vision for both what the world is, and could be.

It is demanding work -- and satisfying beyond belief.

 
 
 
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As president of Union Theological Seminary, I am very proud of this institution's 175-year history as a force for socially-engaged Christianity in America and around the world. It's fascinating to me...
As president of Union Theological Seminary, I am very proud of this institution's 175-year history as a force for socially-engaged Christianity in America and around the world. It's fascinating to me...
 
 
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iLdoRight
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04:33 PM on 07/29/2012
Why Attend Seminary? To have one more thing with which to try to convince people you are special? Did I guess right? What did I win? Should I attend seminary or just get a copy of the Bible read by Alexander Scourby on DVD for $10 on the net or a free download and listen to it a dozen times or so? Wouldn't that be like getting the message right from God, and how much better than that can you get?
08:26 PM on 07/17/2012
I desperately want to go to seminary and serve a parish. So far , many of the seminaries are hard to afford, and don't allow much room to work while attending. I quit my job to finish my BA , and at age 30, I have one year left before I do. I also have a checkered past, and feel like I could identify with a lot of hurting people who come to church. A Master's from a seminary would take 3.5 years or so (longer than many grad programs) and cost about 40-50k... I'm constantly coming to grips with the fact that although I feel called, I don't need the degree to minister - just to minister to a church. I could also plant a church if I so chose, but I don't think the world needs more churches, to be honest - just more people spreading the good news. I already have a ton of debt, I'm not eager to take on more ... and I'm actually a great student- I love to learn. It just seems that seminary is less and less necessary to serve God (even though I really want to attend one), and (in hauntingly "Earthly" terms) just not worth the debt load.
04:18 PM on 07/25/2012
Many of us gradual from college with student loans, and many of us took out more to go to seminary. Seminary is a time of spiritual and academic formation for ministry. To me, it shows arrogance when someone can say "I've got a call" yet they will not make the sacrifices necessary to prepare for that call. We demand training of everyone who takes on a professional responsibility, why not clergy? I've seen the damage that untrained clergy can do. If you want to serve, you have to give everything up (including financial certainty) and follow the call in community, and with formation.
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megancate
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11:54 AM on 07/16/2012
As a graduate of a seminary with my M.Div from Claremont School of Theology/Claremont Lincoln University, I am deeply grateful for the fact that my studies were not confined to just Calvin, or Luther, or Zwingli, or any other single theologian or philosopher, but was extensive and broad. I learned with and from, Jewish scholars, Process theologians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists and more. I studied with students from the Middle East, and the Pacific Islands and Asia, and Europe and America. I learned how they believe as well as increasing my own faith. Learning from books or the Internet is just not enough. Learning from others and asking questions, is essential. I never stop listening, and learning.
09:18 AM on 07/15/2012
I am a Calvinist only because I spent the last year at home studying theology, I was going to go to a seminary after I lost my job but could not afford it and did not want to borrow the money, there is plenty of free information on line to learn about God, bibleframework.com is one of the sites I used, very helpful in getting started. Anyway back to Calvin, Calivinism in my opinion should not be taught, it should be learned by your own experience as you seek and try to know who God is. I am not a good comunicator and I am still working on how explain why Calvinism should not be taught because it has some doctrine issues that may cause someone to walk away from God and still think they are ok in their relationship with God
11:39 PM on 07/14/2012
Spirituality is good; religion generally sucks, and that is why church attendance is at an all time low. Seminary enrollment is down because they need to redefine themselves more appropriately for the times.
02:20 AM on 07/15/2012
You seem to have misunderstood President Jones' piece. Union is constantly redefining itself because the student body drives so much of what the seminary does. At Union, you find students engaged in their religious communities and communities in and around NYC. The students aren't just sitting in classrooms studying outdated theological ideas (although studying those does give one a better understanding of where we are today), they're learning, working, and growing in the community every day.
11:07 PM on 07/14/2012
I have understood the question clearly. I probably can agree that faith in the morality of religion, and in the question of belief in God, when stilled not for penance or subservience, may be appreciated and accepted as a virtue and validation of the "Liberal Arts" without a reason to condemn, or debate the misinterpretion of defending non-believers. The robes that permeate the understanding of sin, is not one that must make brothers filled with self-hatred, and incite sisters to take vengeance on those who must confess their ignoble deeds.
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04:39 PM on 07/14/2012
Why attend a seminary?
Because organized religion is a very lucrative con.
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11:20 AM on 07/16/2012
Lucrative? That is a laughable assertion when you look at what pastoral salaries the majority of which resemble those of receptionists, stock clerks, day labourers and short order cooks.
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That One
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09:07 PM on 07/16/2012
Sounds like your church has a 99% VS 1% problem just like the rest of us.
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lokitheviking
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09:31 PM on 07/16/2012
Still a thriving business with lots of customers, little regulation and no taxes.
New storefront or industrial park office churches opening every day. All hoping to become the next Crystal Cathedral televangelist millionaire. Saul of Tarsus was no different.
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05:56 AM on 07/17/2012
Sauley was a marketing genius who needed better lawyers.
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01:38 PM on 07/14/2012
"Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Emory, and Vanderbilt, to name only a few -- were originally founded as seminaries."

But they all grew up and became real schools so I'm not understanding this comparison at all. Are you saying that one day, you too will be an actual learning institution?
04:22 PM on 07/25/2012
I received my undergrad from Emory (which also still has a seminary, as do Duke, Harvard, Yale, Vandy, etc.). I then went to seminary. Union is a very fine academic institution that receives students after their undergrad degree is complete. It's very academically rigorous. A good many college grads are not academically qualified to study there.
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JayBachand
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07:40 AM on 07/14/2012
I count choosing to attend seminary among the worst decisions of my life. Many among the progressive 'mainstream' churches refuse to accept that their denominations are endangered, and almost sure to be extinct in a generation or two. Serene Jones is clearly among them. Or perhaps, as President of a seminary, she has a vested interest in raising enrollment - even at the cost of honesty and accuracy. This article presents an entirely unbalanced view of seminary and what it can do for aspiring clergy. There should be at least some mention of the job stress, the dim prospects for employment, and the crushing debt that also comes with the choice to attend. Make no mistake: the "profession" of ministry is unlike any other profession in almost every way.
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JayBachand
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07:27 AM on 07/14/2012
Well, that was a lovely a bit of propaganda. Now, let's talk about the reasons why you shouldn't attend a seminary. And, I should note, I attended Andover-Newton - I'm speaking from experience, and the aid of some statistics provided by the Dean of Students Office:

- Professional ministry is a disaster. Ministers have the highest rates of stress, alcohol abuse, and depression among any professions.

- Prepare to be broke, poor, and in debt forever. The average graduate is $39,000 in debt - and going into a field where the average annual salary is $25,000.

- In fact, 25% of seminary graduates end up leaving ministry and finding another career. 50% of them have to work a second job to pay their bills.

- The mainstream churches represented by liberal seminaries are dead. They've lost anywhere for 20-50% of their total memberships over the past 30 years, and the trend continues. There are fewer churches to hire seminary graduates, and the remaining churches can barely pay their bills, let alone you.

- An M.Div, the "professional" degree for ministry, won't earn you one cent more - not like other fields, where your education tends to increase salary. In fact, ironically, many of the highest paid pastors (almost all of them being conservative, of course) working today never set foot in a traditional seminary.

Bottom line: if you're looking for a way to completely waste $50,000 or more, with no hope of ever recouping the loss, yeah, go to seminary.
08:50 AM on 07/15/2012
its not always about the money
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megancate
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11:58 AM on 07/16/2012
If is about the money, you are in the wrong profession. It's about service to God through Christ for others. It always has been, and always will be. Yes, it is not an easy life. It was never meant to be. After all, look where it got the founders of Christianity? Crucified, stoned, beheaded. But I have also never felt so alive in my life.
07:14 PM on 07/15/2012
And your experience universally defines the seminary experience in what way?

Your concerns are no doubt valid. I myself begin a Master's program at Union this Fall, so actually I do appreciate the realism of your perspective, but just because you didn't have the experience you wanted (or perhaps failed to take advantage of as much as you should have) doesn't mean the seminary experience is DOA.

You don't know of anyone who has benefited from seminary? And I don't just mean materially but spiritually. Knowing the people I do in NYC and at Union who have had their lives defined in such an incredible and positive way by their seminary experience makes your whole point seem very shallow, no matter how many facts and figures you throw out there.
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09:34 AM on 07/16/2012
I think the low job retention rate and dismal salary figures demonstrate applicability beyond my own experience quite clearly. And then you turn around and say "I know people who are happy from seminary," as if your experience is universal - seems rather blindly hypocritical, doesn't it? How about providing some data as I have done?

Have others benefited from seminary "spiritually?" I can't answer that question because its poorly defined and utterly subjective. What is "spiritual" and how is it improved or degraded?

When the mistake of choosing seminary now forces me to subsist on food stamps and worry constantly about how to feed my family, trust me it's far more than a "shallow" issue. If you enjoy having any kind of security and plan on raising a family some day you might want to reconsider your choice.
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03:18 AM on 07/14/2012
"The "seed" is the word of God". Many, many years ago the purpose of a Seminary was to teach the Word of God properly to all who would receive and teach students how to teach properly. Students were taught by those fluent in the original biblical languages, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Some were fortunate to learn from those who studied many of the ancient texts. The students were taught chapter by chapter and verse by verse knowing that the bible is God's letter to us and that: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God---"(theopneustos=God-inbreathed). They were taught that they were in the world but not of the world. When properly prepared they were sent into the world to teach the Gospel. That is the function of a Seminary. There are still Seminaries that have this purpose but they are few and far between.
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05:46 AM on 07/14/2012
Amen to the brother.
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10:21 PM on 07/13/2012
Very nice article. Hopefully, the day will come when children will not get quizzical looks from their parents when they say they want to attend seminary school.
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04:40 PM on 07/14/2012
They could always mention all the fleece clerics get from the flock.
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12:12 PM on 07/16/2012
Whatever that means. If money were important, people would not pursue pastoral ministry.
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07:28 PM on 07/13/2012
You should pursue a programming degree in C++ 64 bit and Lisp programming. Write all your papers in emacs and learn how to in build the menu commands that are propriotary part of the microsoft Operating system. See you are on your way to learning to remove resistance from tumors so they can't grow back. Theology is for that purpose to extend stuff. I hate seminary so I don't support its mission and I will read academic press literature but I will not touch Seminary literature. Unless you take C++ or Lisp.
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wbthacker
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05:25 PM on 07/13/2012
"We tend to forget many of America's best-known academic institutions -- Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Emory, and Vanderbilt, to name only a few -- were originally founded as seminaries".

Nobel prize winners who graduated from:

Harvard: 46
Yale:49
Princeton: 35
Duke: 12
Emory:2
Vanderbilt:7
All Seminaries (combined): 0

Apparently the other schools you mentioned were wise to rise above their original charter.
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the analyzer
10:33 PM on 07/13/2012
Why would you think that she would care about these stats?
02:38 AM on 07/15/2012
No one attending seminary is doing so for the accolades they may or may not receive.

That said, all of those schools have seminaries or divinity schools as part of their university system and when noting a Nobel Prize winner's school affiliation they tend to list the university not the college within. Without even trying, I can point to MLK Jr. to refute your claim. He was a graduate of multiple seminaries.
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Tylerious
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04:51 PM on 07/13/2012
I think seminaries should teach more about atheism. There would be no greater way to prepare religious folks for the real world than to allow their faith to be challenged. Learn what it is to be a skeptic, and to base your morals on ethics. Understand objections to religious apologists. If you want to be a person of faith, don't shelter your beliefs from scrutiny.
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01:54 AM on 07/14/2012
They should also teach about scientific materialism and how cherished beliefs and hidden paradigms can take something as profound and amazing as science and turn into a religion of dont think outside of materialistic solutions and discoveries.

And if you do as a scientist seek answers outside scientific materialism agenda's scientists have been rejected and sometimes even asked to leave the university.

I mean there really is no faith in the belief or theory that something came from nothing is there? :-)

Maybe then the religious folks can look into a mirror and say to themselves if scientists can be that closed minded about data and evidence outside their profession maybe we can learn something about our own profession and teachings. wishful thinking I know but hey it was worth a try. ie or not. :-)
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11:54 AM on 07/16/2012
What makes you think they aren't.
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Tylerious
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12:37 PM on 07/16/2012
I looked at Union's curriculum. They talk about post-modernism and early non-theistic philosophical trends. They don't really go into modern atheism/humanism, nor the philosophical/methodological approach of modern skepticism.