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Iran Protests: A One Night Stand or A Lasting Call for Change?

Posted: 02/15/11 09:06 AM ET

In Tehran yesterday the crowds were in the thousands -- much more than expected by most of us, but sporadic. It seems like security forces managed to keep anyone from staying in one place long enough to make it a huge center. I can only rely on my own eyewitness sources since there is so much disinformation from fringe groups like the MKO and ultra-Monarchists floating around the Internet. Most of my sources said the crowds were in the thousands. One said there more than a hundred thousand.

Security forces were large in numbers and presence. One of my sources claimed there were more security forces than she had ever seen before. She also said that there were pro-regime groups waving pictures of Khamenei. The security forces used electric batons and tear gas. My sources also all claimed that more "Marg bar Khamenei" (death to Khamenei) was chanted than any other chant. But one has to be careful, two video clips, at least, that were widely circulated, were from 2009 and had a voice-over chant of Mubarak, Ben Ali etc. My sources claimed there were vans where those arrested were taken. I have not seen one picture or video that shows one point of huge gathering. It seems there were several points of protest with one especially large one at Sadeghieh in central Tehran.

What is certain is that the numbers surprised all and were bigger than expected. My sources were all hopeful, though one was scared and shaken by bassiji behavior and the use of teargas. The role of social media, while important, is slightly exaggerated. I saw no one tweeting from Iran really, certainly not from the protests. Maybe Facebook helped in some of the organizing. But at the height of the 2009 uprising less than 0.2% were using twitter from Iran even after everyone changed their location to Iran for safety of the protestors. With mobile phones cut off and no sms for much of the routes it would be difficult to organize with Internet on the ground.

Significant also was the house arrest of Reformist leaders, Mousavi, Rahnavard and Karroubi. This gives them added revolutionary stature. But it seems like yesterday was not really about them. Very few pro-Mousavi or Karroubi chants were reported. Whatever happens next, it seems like the crowds have moved beyond the reformist agenda and are asking for regime change. This could be the result of Egypt and Tunisia's inspirational contagion. Iranians usually see themselves as superior to others in the region -- especially Arabs -- and the fact that the latter achieved in a few weeks what former has wanted for so long may have inspired and pushed the Iranians into action. Also, many distrust the reformists who themselves have shady records of service with the Islamic regime, so in fact moving towards an anti-regime stance may bring more to the opposition's fold. The more people feel like this is their struggle for getting rid of the hated theocracy the more they are going to show willingness to risk life and limb. Rarely do people risks lives for reform, but they do tend to do it for real change.

What remains to be seen is if this movement will spread to the working classes who are increasingly dissatisfied because of economic conditions brought about by pressure from subsidy cuts as well as international sanctions. The success of the opposition movement relies less on the Internet than on the support of workers and the Bazaar who have so far not gone on strike to show their support for the opposition, despite repeated calls for them to join the movement after the fraudulent election results were announced in June 2009. Also important is whether or not the momentum gained from yesterday's protests can be maintained despite the regime's brutal crack down that is sure to continue. But if Iranians inspired by cries of change all around the region keep the zeal they showed yesterday they could surprise us again. When it does come it will be the first revolution against an Islamist regime and as such it will set a great and important precedent for the region and the world.


 

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09:22 PM on 02/18/2011
Setareh, I have about 100 Iranian friends on Facebook, and that isn't even a question for me. By the way, are you aware of this news item?

http://www.onlydemocracy4iran.com/2011/02/18/hero-of-bahman-25-identified-akbar-amini-at-risk-of-execution/

A top activist I know in London said they're torturing Akbar now to a forced confession on TV. This kind of crap only steels their resolve even more. They're NOT giving up!
01:34 PM on 02/17/2011
http://iranian.com/main/2011/feb/one-night-stand Just in case you're interested in what Iranians think... not IRI supporters.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
04:09 AM on 02/22/2011
Hey, I don't dispute that there are Iranians who do not support their democratic government who feel that way.
 
I just point out that they make up so small a portion of the Iranian population that they are nothing more than a fringe group.
 
If you dig around, you will find Americans who think their system of government should be tossed, and some other system put in place.  But I doubt you or most of the readers of this forumn would buy a claim that they represent the majority of opinion in the US, or even that they represent a significant portion of the population.
12:09 PM on 02/22/2011
Just a wee correction to your comment.  The majority of Iranians do not support the fraudulent president who took the presidency by force... murder, torture and rape.  They are large and growing and I think that's what makes you so nervous.  You're seeing it all come crumbling down and soon you'll be faced with the obvious fact that Iranians are better than that... that Iranians DESERVE better than that... and Iranians will HAVE better than that.  And you just hate the very thought of that.  Get used to it... :-)
POWER TO THE PEOPLE
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Richard Pearce
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01:11 PM on 02/17/2011
It is amazing how similar your article sounds to pieces that were penned by Soviet experts on America, right down to pinning your hopes on a dissatisfied working class rising up against their democratic government.
 
With unemployment dropping, inflation dropping, and the government continuing to fund programs to increase opportunities for the working class to transition to the middle class, and the Iranian public being both supportive of those programs,and hopeful for the future, under the present system of government and the present government in particular, your hope for such an uprising looks as doomed as the hopes for such an uprising that were a feature of Soviet opinion pieces.
02:44 PM on 02/17/2011
Amazing how similar your posts sound to those who defended the old USSR as a worker's utopia and ignored and lies about the show trials, lack of free expression, and stifling of basic political life. Here's an example of how well loved IRI is; perhaps soon we'll have the pleasure of another show trial by IRI:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/world/middleeast/18iran.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

A main leader of Iran’s opposition was reported missing on Thursday and both the opposition “green movement” and Iran’s hardliners issued calls for street rallies, escalating tensions after the reemergence of street protests and their brutal suppression on Monday.

The daughters of the missing opposition leader, Mir Hussein Moussavi, told an opposition Web site that they had had no word from either of their parents since Tuesday and feared they had been detained. Security forces have surrounded their home, and all communications have been cut.

On Wednesday, the Web site of another opposition leader, Mehdi Karroubi, reported that the house of his eldest son had been raided and damaged by security officers seeking to arrest him.

Calls have intensified from Iran’s Parliament and judiciary for the prosecution of both men, who have been accused repeatedly of waging war against God, a crime that carries the death penalty. This week, as the opposition revived in solidarity with uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, law markers in Parliament called for them to be hanged.
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Bahramerad
02:53 AM on 02/22/2011
Richard : with such good prospects and rosy future in Iran ... why don't you pack your bags and leave this United States that you so much hate and join your friends - Ahmadi-nejad and Khomeini ? I am sure they will spread the red carpet on your arrival and give you a free house to live and a couple of priceless Qom carpets to sit on !
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Richard Pearce
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04:01 AM on 02/22/2011
Three things.
 
First, I'm a Canadian and proud of it (though disturbed at the shift to the right in my society of late).
 
Second, what I hate is propaganda, ignorance, and prejudice, not the US per se.
 
Third, given the lifestyle of Ahmadinejad, he doesn't have a free house and priceless Qom carpets to sit on to give me.  Though, seeing as he has donated his car to charity, it would not surprise me to find him one day opening his house to someone as a place to stay for free.
 
Remember that Iranians, who were attacked by Iraq almost as soon as they had won their freedom from dictatorship in a move that enjoyed popular support amongst Iraqis, and resulted in basically every Iranian family losing a loved one to an attack by an Iraqi, who had their cities targetted by Iraqi fired bombs, who were attacked with WMDs, a few years after those attacks ended responded to a flood of Iraqi refugees seeking sanctuary in Iran from another war and their US supported dictator by not just taking them in, but treating them so generously that refugee agencies awarded them their highest praise.
07:38 PM on 02/16/2011
Once again, thank you for your comments. 
12:23 PM on 02/16/2011
The problem with the current set of protests in Iran is that have centered around Muosavi, the former prime minister, who lost the election

They aren't directed against the Ayatollah, the dictator. They are centered at the president, who was elected
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Setareh Sabety
Iranian-American Essayist, poet, mom.
01:11 AM on 02/17/2011
Please read my blog and other news. most of the chants were directed at the supreme leader, khamenei. In fact since june 09 death to the dictator, meaning President Ahmadinejad is the main chant. thank you,
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koroush1336
An human rights activist and totally anti-mullahs,
12:18 PM on 02/17/2011
"MUBARAK, BEN ALI, NOW IS THE TURN OF SAYED ALI!" This the most popular slogan in the recent demonstrations. This is a good sign to see that the people are aiming at the main TARGET, which is SAYED ALI-KHAMEINI.
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Doctoress
02:25 AM on 02/16/2011
Setareh, glad you are taking the information handed out by the BBC and CNN and VOA and others with a grain of salt and rely on your own on the ground sources. But these sources basis of information are also unreliable since they are limited to personal opinions only. These were, after weeks of propaganda by BBC Persian, obviously American, particularly BBC insitgated riots who must have been promised to be paid to set fire on garbage cans. After many years of failing to subvert the government of Iran, they use any desparate means to agitate, create domestic chaos and destabilize Iran. It has failed and will fail again since the people of Iran support their government.
02:36 AM on 02/16/2011
Thank you for providing us with the PressTV version of reality where we're to believe no Iranian in their right mind would turn on the nice people who run IRI without being in the pay of some foreign government. Nice touch to complain about news media when IRI habitually jails reporters and closes newspapers.
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Setareh Sabety
Iranian-American Essayist, poet, mom.
02:59 AM on 02/16/2011
thank you for you badly needed input here. it is really mindboggling as we mourn the death of our youth, two of them from the day of the protest to have to listen to americans sitting in the comfort and freedom of their rooms talking such non-sense. non have spent any time in Iran and have not the slightest clue how brutal, abusive and totalitarian the regime there is. reminds me of western marxist who defended Stalin.
07:39 PM on 02/16/2011
hmmm.... so Doctoress... who is YOUR preferred source of news in Iran.  PressTV?
06:35 PM on 02/15/2011
Err "Round up the usual suspects"
06:34 PM on 02/15/2011
Your point is well taken:"Also, many distrust the reformists who themselves have shady records of service with the Islamic regime... Rarely do people risks lives for reform". The Reformist leaders, Mousavi, Rahnavard and Karroubi remind me of what Capt Renault (Claude Rains) telephoned to police headquarters after "Rick" (Humphrey Bogart) took out Major Strasser. Renault said "round the usual suspects"
12:51 PM on 02/15/2011
Sorry but there is ZERO evidence that the elections in 2009 were "fraudulent" and trying to get the workers onboard to your "Green Revolution" is a lost cause because the people don't support regime change. Fact is this is nothing more than a PR stunt cooked up in US think tanks that have long wanted another "color revolution" in Iran too, but have consistently failed. But hey, we all know this has nothing to do with promoting democracy; your real point is to prevent any chance of US-Iran engagement, and portraying the Iranian government as weak and about to fall fits that goal, doesn't it?
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Setareh Sabety
Iranian-American Essayist, poet, mom.
01:07 PM on 02/15/2011
How could you possibly know what my goal is? I suggest you find out more about me before you accuse me of have a 'goal' other than my desire to see the same democracy you enjoy here in my country. No one follows you home and imprisons you for what you write here do they? Well tha t is all I want for my country. I am certainly no agent or have any other ulterior motives as you insinuate! You on the other hand seemed to be deluded by conspiracy theories. That is fine with me but when you accuse me of having an ulterior motive then I feel like I should respond. That is name smearing of the kind you accuse others of committing who do not believe what you believe.
05:11 PM on 02/15/2011
That's all very nice, empoty slogans of keyboard revolutionaries. But it doesn't fool anyone. And "conspiracy" is the same as politics. That the US has decided to manipulate the issue of human rights for its own benefit, and has hired spokesman (whether knowingly or not) to promote that agenda, is not a secret. You don't care about human rights -- you're just interested in toppling the regime. Just say it.
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Doctoress
02:39 AM on 02/16/2011
Setareh, interesting that you want in Iran (freedom to write what you want) as you think you have here? A basic fallacy you have is that there is such freedom here. Try once, just once, to write a very mildly critical essay about Israel and its politics. It will NEVER be printed by any newspaper. Only fools and inexperinced young ones believe that there exist freedom to say and write here.
01:27 PM on 02/15/2011
Once again your friends who run IRI are exposed as barbaric enforcers of an unfree society that manifests itself in many ways. Jailing, beating, raping, and shooting protesters is their tradition. What's fraudulent is the militantly undemocratic and stifling IRI; what's incomprehensible is absurd apologies written by those whose warped ideology leaves no room for seeing the beauty of protest against such a lethal system.
05:12 PM on 02/15/2011
Wow you empty slogans were so convincing. Now I'm a green too! Not.