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The Top 25 Underrated Creative Writing MFA Programs (2011-2012)

Posted: 04/18/11 12:23 PM ET

The twenty-five programs listed below fully fund a sizable percentage of incoming students, yet still receive less attention from applicants than they deserve. They are not -- or not yet -- among the very best creative writing MFA programs in the United States, but applicants looking to balance out an application list dominated by highly-ranked, high-selectivity programs would do well to consider, too, some entrants to the following list:

Florida State University. Tallahassee gets mixed reviews, and some worry the program has gotten too large for its own good, but it's three years of full funding at a university with not only a creative writing MFA but a top-notch creative writing doctorate, too (currently ranked second nationally). It may not deserve to be a Top 20 program in the national MFA rankings, but its recent fall in this year's yet-to-be-released rankings (to #72) is entirely unwarranted. Right now there's better than even odds it makes a return to the Top 50 next year.

Georgia College & State University. The whole operation here gives off a warm vibe, and why not: it's a well-funded, intimate program that's been flying below the radar for years. Yet now it's within hailing distance (nine spots) of an Honorable Mention classification in the forthcoming national MFA rankings, and it really does deserves to make the jump to that next level. A better rural Southern program you'd be hard-pressed to find.

Iowa State University. What was said last year bears repeating, especially with the program making the jump to Honorable Mention status in the national rankings this year: the secret's almost out of the bag on Iowa State, and what's not to like? It's three fully funded years in one of AIER's Top Five college towns (PDF) at a program to which few apply. ISU's unique focus on the environment (as well as interdisciplinary work and one-on-one mentoring) are stand-out features.

Minnesota State University at Mankato. It's a program you keep hearing good things about, even if you're not entirely sure why. Maybe it's the fact that the English Department offers a total of 30 full-tuition-remission teaching assistantships, and they'll let you stay three years if you want. Maybe it's the sense that this is a friendly, inviting program. Who knows. In any event, it makes the list, and while it may not be this grouping's strongest entrant, by all accounts it deserves to be here.

New Mexico State University. The program at NMSU has just launched a new website, and the hope is that this site will shortly feature more information on the high number of full funding packages (approximately 60% of incoming students) that current NMSU students insist the MFA offers. For now, we'll take these students at their word. Certainly, the program gives all the signs of hosting a lively literary community, and that's reflected in its slow creep up the national rankings (currently #82). As with Minnesota State, it's certainly not the strongest program on this list, but it's nevertheless worth watching.

North Carolina State University. Rumor has it that NCSU will soon become part of what's become a national trend among MFA programs: only admitting students who can be fully funded through grants, fellowships, or assistantships, and thereby becoming a "fully funded program" under the current national assessment scheme via the back door. Well, why not? If the rumor's true, you're looking at a possible Top 50 program in the years ahead (it's already Top 30 in selectivity, and just outside the Honorable Mention category of the national rankings). Poet Dorianne Laux is the star of the faculty here.

Northern Michigan University. A tiny program in the scenic UP that funds surprisingly well. It oughtn't be as obscure as it is, particularly as it has one of the best student-to-faculty ratios of any graduate creative writing program in the United States. As with so many -- in fact, far too many -- MFA programs, NMU's website reveals little significant information about the program and thereby does it (and its applicants) no favors. But the sense in the creative writing community is that something good is happening here.

Ohio State University. Nobody can explain why this program isn't Top 25 -- perhaps even Top 20 -- every year. Sure, it's already popular, but it remains half as popular as it should be. Three years in an AIER-rated Top 15 "mid-size metro" with a strong faculty, a reasonable teaching load, and a vibrant university community deserves a close look from any serious MFA applicant. Every year OSU is outside the Top 25 (especially in poetry), something is grievously wrong with the national MFA picture.

Oklahoma State University. The prospect of living in Stillwater won't set many eyes agog or causes many hearts to flutter, but the fact remains that the Okies don't currently crack the Top 100, and they certainly should. Lots of full funding packages are available, there's a creative writing doctoral program at the university along with the MFA -- meaning, by and large, a higher quality workshop experience than one might otherwise expect -- and yet almost no one applies. That should change.

Oregon State University. With all the attention paid to the University of Oregon's fully funded MFA program, the fully funded program at Oregon State somehow gets overlooked. Corvallis isn't Eugene, sure, but the fact remains that OSU ranks just outside the Top 50 in poetry, just outside the Top 25 in nonfiction, in the Top 40 for placement, and in the Top 50 for selectivity. There's just no reason not to apply.

Temple University. Attention poets: Temple has an MFA program. Philadelphia has long been one of the great cities for American poets to live in, and now that Temple has transformed from a non-terminal MA to a terminal MFA, it's suddenly worth a second look. Is it still a program in transition? Sure. But it's also ranked 109th nationally, so the fact that it has a way to go is part and parcel of it appearing on this list. The faculty here is amazing, even if the funding is not (or not yet) -- though it's said that it's much better for poets than for fiction-writers, in keeping with the program's strong ties to the Philadelphia poetry community.

University of Alaska at Fairbanks. More than 30% of incoming MFA students can expect to get a TAship in this three-year program, in addition to having access to multi-genre courses and single-genre workshops in not two but four genres: poetry, fiction, creative nonfiction, and dramatic writing. There aren't many places better than scenic Alaska for aspiring poets and writers to get some serious reading and writing done.

University of Arkansas. With Ohio State, University of Arkansas is one of two current Top 50 programs to make this list (and for the record, University of Nevada at Las Vegas was quite nearly the third). This is a four-year, fully funded program in a nice college town, and it offers literary translation as well as poetry and fiction tracks. It's in the top tier in practically any measure you'd care to name, and yet it cannot -- cannot -- seem to crack the national Top 30, which is especially odd given that a similarly long, similarly well-funded southern program (University of Alabama) has been impossible to dislodge from the Top 20 for years now. The difference between the two programs isn't great enough to explain the ranking difference. More poets and fiction-writers should apply here, it's that simple.

University of California at Riverside. Trying to get funding information on California MFA programs requires more than a little detective work. UCR is rumored to fund many of its students well; only the program's webmaster knows for sure, however, and he's not telling. Whatever the truth of the matter, a few things are for certain: the program offers five genres of study; it (wisely) requires rather than merely encourages cross-genre work; the faculty is excellent; and the fact that the university has an undergraduate creative writing major (the only one in California) tells you how committed the entire university is to creative writing. The location is also a plus: a large city (300,000+) within a short distance of Los Angeles.

University of Central Florida. Recently named one of the nation's biggest party schools, and why not? It's in Orlando, so there's more than just the weather to celebrate -- Disney World is only a short car-trip away. But locale aside, who knew that UCF fully funds nearly all its incoming students? The faculty roster may not boast many superstars, but neither do most other programs' faculties, and ultimately it's the quality of teaching that matters, not public acclaim for professors' writing. If you want to attend a large, vibrant university in the midst of a large, vibrant, warm-weather city -- and be fully funded in the bargain -- UCF is for you. It's no coincidence that four programs on this list are located in Florida; MFA applicants consistently under-apply to Florida programs (even University of Florida, a Top 25 program overall and certainly the best MFA program in the state, receives only half the applications it should).

University of Kansas. What was said last year still applies: this now-Honorable-Mention program offers three years of well-funded creative writing study, and KU is one of the few U.S. universities that cares enough about creative writing to host both a creative writing doctorate and an MFA. And did you know Lawrence, Kansas is deemed a Top 10 college town nationally by AIER? The 2/2 teaching load is daunting, but there's still a lot of reasons to be excited about KU.

University of Miami. Knocking on the door of the Top 50 in all categories of assessment, Miami will someday soon make the leap to the Top 50 and stay there. It's a great university in a great city, and it deserves -- and has -- a great, well-funded MFA program. If you're looking for a fully-funded-for-all MFA experience in a big city (and there are only around five such experiences available nationally), you've found your place.

University of New Orleans. The Big Easy is coming back -- in a big way. The MFA at UNO offers both a full- and low-residency option, and frankly there's no reason not to leap at the former. Many students get full funding, you can take classes in screenwriting and playwriting as well as poetry and fiction, and there are summer programs available in both Europe and Mexico. There's much to be excited about here.

University of Texas at Austin [Department of English]. This is the other MFA program at the University of Texas. The program at the Michener Center is already one of the most well-known and highly-selective in America; what many don't realize, however, is that the MFA run by the university's English Department is also fully funded -- albeit less generously -- and its students get to workshop alongside Michener faculty and students. Plus, it's in Austin, as happening a college city as one could hope for. You can expect this program to crack the national Top 50 sometime in the next 24 to 36 months, but for now it's still a hidden gem. No other university in America (except the University of Iowa, which offers both the Writers' Workshop and the Nonfiction Writing Program) has two separate and distinct MFA programs, though the difference between Iowa and Texas is that both of Iowa's programs are incredibly selective. Applicants looking to slip into a Michener-grade experience through the back door should take the hint.

University of Utah. Back in 1996, the creative writing program at Utah was ranked in the Top 20 nationally -- largely due to a creative writing doctoral program that still ranks among the Top 10. It's a mystery why the MFA program at Utah (now ranked #115) isn't more popular, given that almost a third of incoming students are fully funded, everyone gets to workshop with some of the best creative writing doctoral students in the world, and Salt Lake City is by all accounts a surprisingly nice (and surprisingly progressive) place to live for a couple years. The literary arts community here deserves much more attention than it's getting from applicants.

Virginia Commonwealth University. For years now VCU has been in and out of the national Top 50 -- it depends on the year -- but in a just world it would consistently be on the inside looking out. And it has nothing to do with the spotlight recently shone on Richmond by the successes of two of its college basketball programs (VCU made the Final Four in 2011, and University of Richmond the Sweet 16). No, what's happening here is that a three-year, well-funded program in a Top 15 mid-size metro (according to AIER) is being overlooked. This should be a perennial Top 50 program, and someday soon it will be.

Western Michigan University. Kalamazoo is a larger and more vibrant college town than many realize, and now that -- as word has it -- the MFA program at WMU is seeking only to admit students it can fully fund (much like North Carolina State, above), applying to be a Bronco just seems like good sense. As with some other programs on this list (Florida State, Utah, and, to a lesser extent, Oklahoma State) students at Western Michigan get to workshop with some of the nation's most talented MFA graduates -- the creative writing doctoral program at the university is ranked among the top dozen nationally. Perhaps that's why student satisfaction here appears to be so high? WMU is knocking on the door of an Honorable Mention classification in the national rankings, and if it goes public with its plan to become fully funded it will achieve that classification and perhaps even more -- a Top 50 designation, too.

West Virginia University. They've been cagey about their funding in the past, but reports are that the funding is actually excellent and that the program's annual applicant pool is swelling. It'd be hard to argue that the program should be ranked much higher than it is -- it makes the Top 60 nationally in the forthcoming national rankings -- but it still isn't spoken of as much as you'd expect.

Wichita State University. The graduate creative writing program perhaps best known for being the place Albert Goldbarth teaches at has enjoyed a sudden bump in the rankings, from just outside the Top 100 to just inside the Top 80. And the ride may well continue; there's still relatively little competition for admission to WSU, a real surprise given that this is a well-funded three-year program with a light teaching load.

All of these programs (with the exception of University of Arkansas and Ohio State) will need to spend much more time on their online promotional materials in order to make the jump from this list to the bigger one: the Top 50 national rankings, as published by Poets & Writers. Applicants to these (and, really, all) programs need to know precisely what percentage of incoming students receive the equivalent of a full tuition waiver and a livable stipend, as well as see some hard data on how selective their target programs are. Until that happens, most of these programs will continue to be unjustly underrated rather than justly highly-ranked. And, not for nothing, nearly all of these programs (with a few notable exceptions: Florida State, Iowa State, Ohio State, Oregon State, University of Arkansas, University of Miami, and University of Texas at Austin, all fully funded programs) could do with even more full-funding packages for incoming students.

For those keeping count, this is the second year this list has been compiled. Last year's list can be found here. Feel free to discuss these and other programs in the comments section below.

[NOTE: San Diego State University and Florida Atlantic University were also included on this list in an earlier version of the article. Funding data for these programs is still under review to determine whether they will be readmitted to the list in the future].

A graduate of Dartmouth College, Harvard Law School and the Iowa Writers' Workshop, Seth Abramson is the author of two collections of poetry, Northerners (Western Michigan University Press, 2011), winner of the 2010 Green Rose Prize, and The Suburban Ecstasies (Ghost Road Press, 2009). Presently a doctoral candidate in English at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, he is also the co-author of the forthcoming third edition of The Creative Writing MFA Handbook (Continuum, 2012).

 
 
 
 
 
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MarcEdward
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08:56 AM on 04/26/2011
Who in their right mind would go into debt to get an MFA in creative writing?
Talk about children of privilege.  Better get a working spouse while you're there!
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Seth Abramson
11:33 PM on 04/26/2011
Marc,

A quick note for the reading-impaired: The _entire point_ of this article is to direct aspiring poets and writers toward programs for which _they will not go into any debt_. The author of this article, which you elsewhere called "elitist" (and, bizarrely, "white") has spent five years trying to convince young people _not_ to go into debt for an MFA. I don't know what article you're reading that says otherwise. Moreover, the number of fully-funded MFA programs is dramatically _increasing_ each year, contrary to what you've said below, and the fully-funded MFA is in fact the _best_ bet for increasing diversity in the literary arts community (which is already one of the most diverse communities of any type in the U.S.), not some sort of vehicle for white privilege as you (again, for no reason I can discern) absolutely insist. So you're barking up the wrong tree here entirely in trying to pepper this article with comments that make clear -- if nothing else -- that you're not familiar with this topic whatsoever. And why you'd think 21 months in a studio art program is going to ruin a poet or writers' sixty-year writing career, and/or why attending a 21-month studio art program somehow proves that a poet or writer isn't interested in living a real life -- which, news flash, they not only do while they're in school, but also for the 58.5 writing years after school -- is beyond me.

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Seth Abramson
11:39 PM on 04/26/2011
I do want to say, too, that the above comment -- along with all the other comments by this poster, and a few by some others in this thread -- are Exhibit A for how the topic of MFA programs brings in the crazies like no other. Some of the comments in this thread evince absolutely zero knowledge of the history of MFA programs, how MFA programs work, who attends them and why, how the publishing industry works, how poets and writers live and learn and improve their work, and much more -- in other words, absolutely zero knowledge about _precisely the topic these posters wish to opine about (at length)_. Why do folks think you can shoot from the hip this way re: MFA programs? Why do folks _want_ to? I'd as soon trust the opinions of those who get even their basic facts about MFA programs wrong as I'd trust a dentist on the topic of saving the Earth from global warming.

S.
09:46 AM on 04/21/2011
One other thing--about half of UNO resident MFAs are fully funded. The other half tend to be part-time but resident students (ie, they are taking 6 years to complete the program instead of two and a half or three) who are older, possibly with families, working a full-time job already, and Louisiana residents. Thus, they only pay the Louisiana in-state tuition, which is very reasonable at UNO. All of the MFA workshops are night classes, which allows them to do that.
09:34 AM on 04/21/2011
2006 University of New Orleans MFA here. Best move I ever made. Two other things that need to be said for this program which speak volumes:

1. When Hurricane Katrina hit, there were 63 students enrolled in the resident program. Predictably, a good number of both teachers and students lost their homes in the flooding, and many had offers from other schools to teach or complete studies there. By Fall 2007, all of the faculty and 60 of the 63 students had returned.

2. In the past five years, five UNO MFAs (Joseph Boyden, Amanda Boyden, Barb Johnson, Lish McBride,and Jen Violi) and one UNO MA (Bill Loehfelm) have all placed a book or books with major publishers (not university presses) and earn enough from their writing to be able to quit their day jobs. All have been getting good critical reviews as well. I include Bill on this list even though he was an MA because the MFA at UNO is half literature classes, half workshops, the MAs and MFAs take lit classes together, and many of the faculty teach in both programs.

Also, UNO offers a specialization in nonfiction as well as poetry, fiction, playwriting, and screenwriting.
12:14 AM on 04/20/2011
I'm currently an MFA student in fiction at Oregon State. I'm glad to see the program included, since I agree that it's underrated--the quality of my peers' writing impresses me in workshop every week, and the faculty are brilliant, dedicated, and generous with their time and attention. But I particularly want to correct a mistake in the blurb above. Seth writes of Oregon State, "If you can get in with full funding, there's no reason not to go." In fact, *all* the MFAs in creative writing receive full funding (both fiction and poetry)--so there really is no reason not to go.
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Seth Abramson
12:55 AM on 04/20/2011
Ben, I recently received similar info from another person associated (but not formally) with OSU. The reason for the blurb above is that in the two years prior to this week I had heard _different_ information from a number of sources (what I'd heard was that, across all genres, it's more like 60% of students are fully funded). But isn't the real question here not the accuracy of the article, but rather... doesn't Oregon State have a webmaster? If a program is one of the 38 fully-funded MFA programs in the world... how many minutes would it take somewhere there to update the website and say so? Honestly, I just don't get it... in any case, given the info I have, until OSU actually _itself_ advertises itself as fully funded, I have to stick with the blurb that's there now. But I'll edit it ASAP, promise, if, you know, there's a _single IT guy anywhere at Oregon State University_ who's got five free minutes to help a program advertise its single biggest selling point _by far_.

S.
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Seth Abramson
01:02 AM on 04/20/2011
Actually, I'll go one step further and say that I've reviewed literally several hundred graduate CW program websites and OSU is one of the only ones I've ever seen that doesn't even have a section called "Financial Aid" (or the equivalent). The program spends tens of thousands of dollars a year to fully fund everyone they admit... and there's not even _one_ mention of that fact (or even a _hint_ of it!) anywhere on the entire website? Again, it's mystifying. Perhaps if you spoke to them and let them know that the lack of an IT guy with five free minutes is literally killing the program rankings-wise, cohort-quality-wise, reputation-wise, &c &c...?
12:15 PM on 04/19/2011
Super article, Seth. Do one on Low-Res MFAs? There's a brand new one at Oklahoma City University called the Red Earth MFA. Full disclosure: I'll be teaching there! But I think there are many Low-Res programs that are a good value and don't receive as many applicants as they should.
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Seth Abramson
08:14 PM on 04/19/2011
Hi Allison,

One reason it's hard to do an article like this on low-res MFAs is that so few of them have released their internal admissions data that it's impossible to say which are actually under-applied to. And of course to make that kind of assessment we'd also need bases of comparison, which are tougher to find when funding's not really in the equation (as nearly all low-res programs are unfunded). So normally, without those other options, we'd look to anecdotal evidence from current/former students for this kind of "under-rated" article, but the stock of applicants and students for low-res programs is so much smaller--and there's really no single internet community for them--that it's actually hard to get that kind of anecdotal evidence en masse. It's taken five years to get it for full-res programs, we'd probably need five more to get it for low-res programs. I suppose one thing we could do to assess cohort quality is look at the published placement rankings (and any available selectivity data), but not-so-coincidentally that would really just lead us back to the programs that are already ranked the highest. As to the sort of slightly-lower-ranked programs that would normally make up a list like this, honestly we have so little hard or anecdotal data about them that I'm not sure I'll be able to come up with a corresponding low-res list until 2015 or so...

S.
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kerry1962
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09:21 AM on 04/19/2011
I have had the desire to return to school for my MFA. It has been a matter of money and time and family. So, I availed myself of the abundant community of writers in my area. I am not saying that this replaces the discipline and knowledge gained through an MFA program but for some of us it is the only alternative. I have learned a great deal from my writer friends, especially from my editor/mentor who teached creative writing at NYU, has been a fellow at Skidmore, etc. I asked her a while back about getting my MFA. She asked, "Why? You have learned everything in the past few years that you would learn in an MFA course?" I took it as a good sign about my desire, and hopefully, my ability. Currently, all funds go toward educating my children. Should I ever find a brown bag on the side of the road filled with money, I would like to spend it getting my MFA.
07:21 AM on 04/19/2011
What an amazing list! Every applicant next year needs to read this article. Really outstanding research; I never would've guessed that Utah or New Orleans or Oklahoma State, for example, were worth considering. Also helped clarify the double-program situation at UT-Austin. So many interesting schools here. Riverside!

I have to say, Re: North Carolina State, I would consider Jill McCorkle, fiction professor, another star on the faculty. I'd read her before I had even made the decision to pursue an MFA.
04:41 AM on 04/19/2011
What about UCR's low residency? I see their ads everywhere and their faculty looks excellent. And the pools in the ads look good, too.
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12:42 PM on 04/19/2011
It is excellent, but does not offer financial aid.
12:15 AM on 04/19/2011
Thanks for the article, Seth.
06:55 PM on 04/18/2011
Top 25 ways to not be employable upon graduation. If someone wants to write compelling fiction, they should join the military, move to Compton or Pine Ridge, SD, or some other form of hard-knock life, so they can actually write compelling characters and stories.
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Seth Abramson
07:13 PM on 04/18/2011
Dan,

This too is an interesting theory -- your idea that the _only thing_ good poetry and fiction requires is life experience.

Hmm.

A shame to lose "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock," though. Eliot began it when he was twenty-one and studying at the Sorbonne.

S.
07:19 PM on 04/18/2011
Maybe, but the last thing the world needs is a written work about well-to-do White men about well-to-do White men.
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MarcEdward
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09:01 AM on 04/26/2011
ITA
Good writers write, and ought to be able to write by the time they are teens.
If one has no thoughts or experience, all the classes and criticism in the world won't help you.
If you have something worthwhile and new to express, you don't need the training wheels of an MFA program.
This article has got to be the most elitist (and yes, white) article I've ever seen at HP. What kind of insane parent would put up the cash for an MFA in creative writing? Who'd go into debt for that degree? More to the point, every fool on this planet who can string a sentence together is already self publishing on the Internet - we have decent writers all over the place working for free. Making a living writing? Seriously?
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cosmiCataclysm
05:51 PM on 04/18/2011
I think it's unconscionable to bill gullible youths into paying ~$30,000 for a BA, in addition to the further ludicrous expense to obtain a MFA in "Creative Writing", when so many of the very best writers have managed to pen many of the greatest books of all time with neither. Certainly, many such writers were introduced to literature in an academic setting and, perhaps, by their friends or their own love of reading.

There are too many people who think they have something special to say. I'm sure Celine would have gotten a kick out of listening to some pedantic, ostentatious goon meticulously dissect one of his tomes in a classroom. However, he was too busy being awesome.
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Seth Abramson
06:28 PM on 04/18/2011
CC,

Your argument is obviously specious -- surely you see that. The current generation of highly-celebrated writers (the ones most likely to have established themselves in contemporary literary culture) are in their 50s and 60s, meaning they came out of college _well_ before the MFA boom hit in the 1990s. So of _course_ many of them didn't do MFAs (though, actually, many did, too). If we look at the current crop of up-and-coming literary stars -- the late-twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings -- we see that, in fact, many of them attended MFA programs, as doing so was common in the literary culture at the time they were of age to attend. In any case, more importantly, you've just been told -- clearly, unambiguously -- below that in fact young poets and writers now regularly avoid the "ludicrous expense" of an MFA by obtaining one _for free_.

It's fine to think the younger generation should simply shut up -- it's outrageous, but it's fine. However, that prescription would equally apply (I'd think) to those who "think they have something special to say" and _don't_ do an MFA as to those who _do_. In fact, it'd apply much _more_ to the former group, as unlike the latter they wouldn't have gone through the gauntlet of an application process with 1%-2% acceptance rates at the top programs. So maybe it's only the non-MFAed who should shut up? I don't know -- did _you_ do an MFA? Should _you_ shut up?

S.
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cosmiCataclysm
10:12 PM on 04/18/2011
I daren't suggest that the ideas of today's youth be squelched -- only that they cannot purchase (an MFA) that which has no price-tag (immortal words).
08:00 PM on 04/18/2011
You're right. Shakespeare didn't do an MFA or go to college. Instead, he got into the pants of landed aristocrats and glorified them in verse in exchange for patronage - what a lot of us would call selling out. Writing for a patron's ducats is a long, long tradition (just look at the things Virgil did for the Emperor), and the poets and writers who generally prospered had a rich guy buying them food. You shouldn't tell us that having schools fulfill a similar role today - minus the stress of having to please an arbitrary source of money - is harmful and stupid by contrast. It is disrespectful to our discipline and to the people who want to help create a community that supports its literary thinkers.
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cosmiCataclysm
02:37 PM on 04/18/2011
It's amusing to see the Top 25 Creative Writing MFA Programs alongside such stories as "Graduate Unemployment Chronicles"... Bukowski worked in the post-office until he was an old man; THEN he made some money writing. I'm sure these people are terribly interesting, given all those years being conditioned by well-regarded creative-writing instructors...
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Seth Abramson
02:49 PM on 04/18/2011
CC,

That's an interesting perspective; if I understand you right, you're saying that a literary artist's six-decade writing lifetime (the average poet or writer is active from around 18 until their late 70s/early 80s) is completely compromised by 21 months of art school.

Given that there are hundreds of _undergraduate_ writing workshops as well -- at hundreds of universities around the country -- should we perhaps insist that "terribly interesting" poets and writers forego college, as well? I mean, if 21 months of a studio art program with workshops that meet once a week for three hours is certain to decimate any literary artists's chance of ever really _living_ out in the real world, imagine what four years of graded academic courses must do!
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Don't worry -- anyone who wants to do an MFA can do one, and they'll _still_ spend the next 58 years living in desperate poverty or (at best) amongst the nation's dwindling middle class. Let's just give aspiring poets and writers a few months to get their bearings before that happens, shall we?

S.
01:49 PM on 04/18/2011
Great list, Seth.

I also had a question about UC San Diego. I applied solely because of Sarah Shun-Lien Bynum, but as I learned more it seemed like a great program; and I *believe* it's fully funded. I noticed that few students during this past year seemed to apply there, though. Any thoughts?

TC
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Seth Abramson
02:15 PM on 04/18/2011
TC, actually UCSD was inundated with apps this year -- their applicant pool increased to 171 from less than 100 (an article was actually run in California about this remarkable increase). It's now #27 in Selectivity and #31 overall.
01:43 PM on 04/18/2011
Did McNeese fall off the list for better or worse?
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Seth Abramson
02:18 PM on 04/18/2011
CW, for the better -- it's ranked in the Top 50 nationally. So, no longer "underrated."
01:31 PM on 04/18/2011
Reapplying to MFA programs this year, and just added a bunch of these schools to my list of potential schools to apply to. Thanks Seth :)
12:14 PM on 04/19/2011
I received my MFA in 2009 from Wichita State. It is a decently funded program and the teaching load is light 2/2. The living stipend is small but since cost of living is so affordable in Wichita I suggest you apply there. There is a a nice community of MFA's and MA's and the university campus is beautiful. I have heard though from friends who are still in the program that it is getting tougher to get in the program. And, sadly, WSU still does not have a nationally recognized literary magazine, but I know that there are people in the department who are working to change that situation.