Folks,
This is a great piece by Scott Ritter which dovetails nicely with John's piece:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050608M.shtml
Once again the U.S. military is conducting major combat operations in Baghdad's Sadr City slum. Urban street fighting, daytime air strikes, refugees fleeing, the whole 9 yards. The targets are Shiite extremists who have been killing our troops and obstructing the so-called progress of a freely elected Iraqi government. Oh yeah, we are winning but we have to do this sort of thing from time to time -- no biggie.
So for the foreseeable future the violence rages on, US troops will continue to die, Iraqis will die, and according to President Bush it is all for the cause of our freedom here at home.
The Iraqi insurgents hate us for our freedom -- didn't ya know?
Will Americans ever wake up to the harsh reality that is Iraq? At this point it is too frustrating to care or look for an answer to that ridiculous question. Sort of like the definition of insanity when stated as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
I'm very close to embracing the truism that I can do nothing to stop this tragic war that has been enabled, encouraged, and carried forward by our cowardly Congress along with millions of careless and complacent citizens of this country who, for the most part, have no stake in the game.
On that note ....
Let me tell you who the people are who do care and do have a stake in the game. They are the servicemen and women that make up the Individual Ready Reserve. Most have completed multiple tours in Iraq, have been honorably discharged from the military, and have started new lives with the hopes of putting this horrendous war behind them. Now, many of them are receiving letters in the mail commanding them back to active duty to fight in Iraq -- again.
Can you imagine? If you're not in their shoes probably not. However, my guess is that they feel used and abused by a system that has no consideration or regard for their previous selfless service to this country when they risked death on countless occasions.
These people are walking down the same streets as us every day and we don't even notice them. They are direct, remorseless, sharp, snappy, tenacious, and quite saucy. They are justified in their feelings and deserve better from this country. After all, they have more than earned a right to live their lives in peace.
These "call ups" of those who have already fought in Iraq are a direct result of the unshared sacrifice of the American people who live a life of irresponsible citizenship by enjoying the benefits of being an American while turning a blind-eye to the bloodshed.
Most able-bodied "young Republicans" could relieve the stress on our combat vets by enlisting themselves to fight in a war they so ardently support. Anything is possible, but for them to actually put their bodies where their rhetoric is -- not likely. (Yes, I will beat this dead horse into the ground).
Moving on to numero uno -- POTUS.
It must be so easy for George W. Bush knowing that the joke is on all those who have blindly supported him every step of the way either directly or indirectly. Whether you're one of his little toadies in Congress or one of his contemptible street corner subservients, it is inevitable that egg and mud will be dripping off of your faces once the smoke clears.
Soon, President Bush will return to his Texas ranch with millions in the bank while you get to sink with the ship.
But how much damage will be inflicted upon the rest of us while we wait? As I search for an answer to that question I can't help but think about the fables used to sell the war. Well, that's a moot point.
At this stage in the game the lies about WMD and Al-Qaeda links to Saddam are irrelevant. What is relevant is that we are in this war for the long haul. Unless of course a miracle happens that creates a situation that allows us to pick a Democratic nominee to face John McCain and win back the White House -- that is stated under the assumption that Senator Clinton or Senator Obama will make good on their promise to end the war.
Please pardon my skepticism -- but it isn't like we haven't been lied to before by our elected officials who promised us a way out of this mess.
Anyway ....
The war in Iraq is over. Despite the fact that we are still fighting, we have yet to define victory, the ultimate outcome is uncertain, and there is no end in sight -- it is over. The only remaining questions are: How many more of our brave troops will have to die? How many more billions will be spent? Both questions are unanswerable but the figures are surely tremendous.
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Folks,
This is a great piece by Scott Ritter which dovetails nicely with John's piece:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050608M.shtml
"The war in Iraq is over. Despite the fact that we are still fighting, we have yet to define victory, the ultimate outcome is uncertain, and there is no end in sight -- it is over. The only remaining questions are: How many more of our brave troops will have to die? How many more billions will be spent?"
Your analysis is so correct. Frankly, I felt the moment we invaded that the inevitable result of such a monumental mistake (I did not believe any of the justifications cooked up) would be a long, compicated, endless tragedy. The costs, both the human and the monetary, are only vaguely understood by too many citizens. They will be better understood as the true measure of our historic blunder cripples our economy for years to come (it has already begun). The sad thing is, things will get worse as leaders fail to lead and citizens remain either disengaged or artificially engaged (i.e. placing their energy into supporting "hero candidates" instead of being heroic enough to hold every candidate's feet to the fire on this issue). We either ignore Iraq or we wait in hope for our hero when we need to be the leaders of this process. War is the organizing principle of society and such peace as may be attained requires the conscience of an informed and active citizenry.
Rescisco,
Thank you kindly, I could not have said it better myself.
V/R
John
Somewhat related: The North American Union ratified under the smoke
screen of 9/11, via Condi and a host of others. Check these out.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/travels/4562.htm
http://www.as.coa.org/article.php?id=1048
Maybe we were sold down the river already, and Iraq was just another
smoke screen.
The war and the deaths will continue at least for 6 more months.
But if Bush and Chaney sell the idea of an Iranian threat and
the need to eliminate it, then 100 years just might come true.
deminmo,
Agreed. An attack against Iran is real threat to this country and world peace.
V/R
John
I remember when I was in High School in the sixties and was assigned to read a book called "The Wall". It was about the struggle of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto against the Nazis, but it well could have been about the instinct for self survival of any group of people bearing arms and facing extermination. And believe me the popguns that the Jews were able to hold the Whermacht off with are nothing compared to what the Mhadi Army has at its disposal in Sadr City.
They will strike and fade. Strike and fade. For them it is life and death. For us it's really far more like a hobby, or a project. The two situations are simply not comparable!
We should not be there at all, and, as screwed up as Al Sadr is, at least he belongs to that place. What is to be gained? What is to be lost by us?
If you simply ask any of the pro-war faction to state a purpose, they hem and they haw, and can never provide anything even approaching a coherent answer. The fact is that the instinct for life, combined with the phenominal level of personal armament in Iraq guarantees that our every effort to "help" those folks do things that they are opposed to can only prove harmful to all involved, and, at the same time, obviates our need to feel like anyone there is helpless without our "protection".
oldpotsmuggler,
Your last paragraph in your reply was very well stated -- thank you.
V/R
John
John,
Do you think it is possible for a representative group of Iraq and Afghanistan vets to go, en masse, to the Democratic Convention (I'd say the Republican convention, too, if I thought it would be possible) and lobby for the opportunity to make a prime time statement/speech detailing all that they have had to endure in a blatant attempt to shame the pols and the people into paying attention to and caring about all of these issues?
I know of at least one Democratic super-delegate who, if asked, would probably do everything in his power to make that happen!
LizM,
I think it is an outstanding idea. Is it Senator Biden you speak of?
V/R
John
But, of course...you should contact him!
OK, will do. The question is: how? Call his office? That never works.
Are you telling me that you've actually called his office!? And, it didn't work!? ...or are you just saying that calling a senator's office doesn't work, generally speaking...
Anyway, what the heck do I know about things like that...but, if I was in your position...I would call his office, send a letter and an email...or two...and not give up until you talk to him personally...one way or the other! Tell him, or anyone in his office, that you want to talk to him about his Iraq strategy...that'll get their attention.
I am convinced that he would respond and work with you and with any veterans group to make all of the issues you have been writing about front and center at the Democratic convention.
Just don't let him hear you say anything that even sounds like 'partition'...OK? Please!
LizM,
I was "generally speaking." I'll give it a shot.
Thanks,
John
Another compelling and moving post! I could not believe it when I heard that the number one election issue for Americans is now the economy and no longer the war , but, as you pointed out, if it doesn't directly impact the citizen in the street, he or she won't pay it much mind. So, patriotic citizens who have chosen to serve our country are dying in the middle of a senseless religious civil war - their trust that their lives would be placed in danger only when absolutely necessary has been violated by this administration. I am angry, frustrated and ashamed of my fellow citizens who ignore this outrage. There are two America's now - those whose lives are damaged or destroyed by this obscenity, and those whose lives seem disconnected from the surreal horror of it all.
Where is your anger, Senator Obama? You are the presumptive nominee - start demanding that this war end now - we don't have to wait for your inauguration. Force the American public to face what this country has wrought.
itmaybetoolate,
Great analysis and reply -- thanks so much.
V/R
John
Has it occurred to you that the vast majority of young men and women who join the services are very conservative, though they may not call themselves Republicans? I think your call is answered.
And, oh, by the way, when has it been proven that the President KNEW that there were no WMD's in Iraq? I haven't seen this, and it takes foreknowledge to make a lie, in case you were'nt sure!
Semper fi
Berettasskeeter,
Most of the men I served with in my infantry unit were very conservative. However they were not chickenhawk young Republicans who tout the war but are scared to go near it. The men I served with do not fall into the category I am highlighting.
V/R
John
I'm sorry, but are you arguing that people withheld intelligence from Bush?
The "maybe's" and caveats were in the intelligence reports I've read...
Or are you saying willful ignorance is justification?
Or that he didn't read the reports and that lets him off the hook?
Try telling a cop you didn't know speeding was illegal and see how that goes.
BTW, define "conservative" for us if you want to use that word, cuz Bush's actions don't match the definition in the dictionary.
So they are conservative. Does that mean they are happy to fight an unnecessary war run by a coward who went AWOL and a crazed chicken hawk who was too busy to fight for his country in Vietnam - that other unnecessary war? As for knowledge about WMD's, there are 900 (and some) documented lies trotted out by this administration in the run up to the war. bush's knowledge or not is a moot point. He and his co-criminals are proven liars. Their word has no value.
Are you saying that you believe President Bush used the authority he was given to use US military forces, if necessary, to disarm Saddam in a wise and competent manner? Would you agree that the President, and his foreign policy team, rushed to war, without allies and without having exhausted all other options, and - most importantly - without any plan, whatsoever, for what they surely must have known might come after the initial military victory had been achieved?
Where the heck was the "one percent doctrine" (that Ron Suskind wrote about) when we really needed it!
"Don't ask what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."
I might add that before you do that, you might want to check who is president before you sign that paper.
KillTheMessenger,
So very true my friend.
V/R
John
That's pretty inane. If you convince hundreds of thousands of young men and women that their country is not worth serving now, exactly how do you think you'll convince them when you DO believe in it??
Semper fi
Straw man arguments equating serving our country with being at the whim of an imbecile won't fly here.
The idea of involuntary recall to duty as having "convinced" soldiers is a stretch.
Did that freak in Austria "convince" his daughter to bear his children?
The public has a responsibility, especially when our government has killed, orphaned, maimed, and turned into refugees well over 1 million human beings, all based upon lies, greed, and arrogance, plus ruined military and our economy. Perhaps historian Howard Zinn says it best in his logic to our opposition to the Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation: "When a social movement adopts the compromises of legislators, it has forgotten its role, which is to push and challenge the politicians, not to fall in meekly behind them. We who protest the war are not politicians. We are citizens. Whatever politicians and profiteers may do, let them first feel the full force of citizens who speak for what is right, not for what is winnable, in a shamefully timorous Congress."
"The nobility of the soldier willing to give a life for country and God
lies silent and still amidst the broken promises of leaders.
Send them not to futile sacrifice on shores so far from home.
But keep your word to all that serve that none shall die in vain."
~ a poem a brother Vietnam medic
"You turn a corner in the dark and there he is. You congeal into a bundle of inanimate fear. Where in your soul and body is the anesthesia for what is coming? But there is no escaping him. (You soil yourself and it runs down onto the cold, wet stone under your feet.) It is your turn now." ~Henry Miller
Corpsman1,
The Howard Zinn comments are right on target.
V/R
John
I think when countries like Iraq and Viet Nam hear us touting the attributes of freedom , what it translates to is the freedom to invade any country we want.
The sense of entitlement we have is no different to that of the Roman Empire, or that of Alexander of Macedonia, or the British empire. Under the auspices of protecting people from communism, or Islamo fascism, we have gained strategic posts, financial wealth, and political power as anyone who caters to soccer moms fears and dumb blue collar knee jerk patriotism will find it an optimal way to win an election.
The problem is if you ask a Sunni if a Shiite is equal to them, they will laugh you all the way to Mecca and back. And conversely the same is true. These are tribal factions we're talking about, with no sense of loyalty to centralized government. What kind of national pride can you have in a nation crafted by Great Britain, a foreign power and one time oppressor nation. How can Iraqis feel a sense of patriotism towards their country when centralized government has proved nothing but destructive and dismissive of their needs.
Shouldn't we talk about the philosophical ramifications of delivering democracy to countries that don't understand its precepts, especially when we still have yet to perfect it in this country?
grendl,
I could not agree more. You are 100% on point. Thank you.
V/R
John
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