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Shahnaz Taplin-Chinoy

Posted: August 21, 2010 02:08 PM

Last Saturday afternoon, some Jewish friends who are fans of the Muslim Women's Fund came for tea at our home. They were eager to discuss the front page news story in the NYT on the Mosque at Ground Zero which has elicited high intensity emotions, passions and political machinations.

The concept for Park51, the interfaith community center and mosque near ground zero was inspired by the Young Men's Hebrew Association and the YMCA's in New York. But talking with my friends, I'm reminded that not everyone knows that historically in Islam markets, mosques and public squares converged to serve the community -- whereas churches and temples are in their own, separate, sacred precincts -- away from the bazaars. We really don't know each other well enough.

You see this in Istanbul where the souk adjoins the Blue Mosque. Or in Jerusalem, where Muslim merchants renting space at the edge of the Mosque of Omar sell -- not Muslim prayer beads (tasbih in Urdu) but Christian ones (rosaries) -- because ten yards down is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

The board of the new interfaith center will be composed of Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders and the center's goal is to build bridges between faiths. Further, this unique interfaith center/mosque will promote a pioneering model of moderate American Islam -- an anti-dote to Saudi Wahabism and Salifism, which are fueled by America's oil dependence. The center/mosque was approved by the local community board (23-O) and NYC's Landmark Preservation Commission (9-0) unanimously.

As I followed the issue, I was struck by how the word mosque became the dominant conflict driven media frame of the story and how interfaith bridge building and creating a space for moderate Islam receded into the background.

The interfaith center/mosque hit a nerve emotionally and understandably. As my friends who came to tea said, they supported the idea of the center but at another location. They empathized with people's emotions, however irrational, and believe that they need to be respected. And I would add especially if they are families, including Muslims, who have lost loved ones at ground zero -- these are some of one's worst nightmares which rank with losses in wars, earthquakes and famines.

The mosque debate became an exploitable political torch for Gingrich, Palin and Lazio. But it also became a values test for Mayor Bloomberg, Thomas Friedman and the NYT editorial board.

Standing by the Statue of Liberty, Mayor Bloomberg in a stirring speech on the proposed mosque said: "It is as important a test of separation of church and state as any we may see in our lifetime, and it is critically important that we get it right."

Tom Friedman in his column speaks to the quintessential American values that make an immigrant like me proud to be American when he writes:

I greatly respect the feelings of those who lost loved ones...


When we tell the world, 'Yes, we are a country that will even tolerate a mosque near the site of 9/11, ' we send such a powerful message of inclusion and openness. It is shocking to other nations. But you never know who out there is hearing that message and saying: "What a remarkable country! I want to live in that melting pot, even if I have to build a boat from milk cartons to get there.

And finally my friend Daisy Khan, wife of Imam Feisal Rauf, (a Sufi who conceptualized the interfaith center/mosque), Executive Director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA) and a founding board member of the Muslim Women's Fund, has stayed the slalom course on the center/mosque hearings mindfully. When I asked for her take away last night, she said: "This is a victory for America. It affirms the preservation of religious freedom and supports faith communities."

 
 
 
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05:38 PM on 08/22/2010
In a perfect world this multi-faith center will go further away from Ground Zero.

However I have a HUGE issue with this.... If Ground Zero is such sacred ground, why the hell is there a subway station cutting through it and NEW development PURELY based around capitalist ideals over the site.

I can understand if the state and city asked for NOTHING to be built at Ground Zero but this isn't the case. There has been more fury over an Islamic derived multi-cultural center with PRAYER facilities - e.g. NOT A MOSQUE (they can control who uses it - vs a Mosque that must be open to all) than the capitalist bent reconstruction of the WTC complex. So it's OK to stick a coffee shop at Ground Zero, but not a place of worship.... Sorry folks I have a hard time siding with the right wing bigots on this one. As a centrist voter I DO NOT stand for anything taking away rights of others that were developed by our founding fathers. Muslims and Islam existing during this countries founding - it's NOT something new. The fury and hype is VERY un-American and not something I as an immigrant (a Christian immigrant) appreciate when it comes to all the talk of "freedom". WHAT Freedom - we're WRONGLY letting opportunistic politicians direct the people down the WRONG path - and we sit here like idiots and do nothing.
04:50 PM on 08/22/2010
What I sometimes find frustrating as a Muslim American is the way that the discussion of Islam in America is always framed. It is never an open forum in which intelligent people can discuss the similarities and differences between their faiths, but a shouting match that ends with (in so many words)..."You're a terrorist!" "No I'm not" "Your prophet was a terrorist"! "No he was not." The Quran is a terrorist training manual" "Have you ever read it?" "No...except the quotes I found on my favorite fear mongering neo con website or news channel"So instead of having a good, healthy discussion/debate about the real issues I have to prove that I'm not a member of a "sleeper cell".

If the average, non-Muslim American familiarized themselves with the beautiful and noble religion of Islam they would not need us to tell them that Al-Qaeda and bin Laden do not represent it's teachings. If non-Muslim intellectuals in America read the Quran with the goal of understanding (rather then fueling their irrational hatred of it) they would not need us to tell them the value of it to humanity. If the average non-Muslim American who doesn't want a mosque in their backyard accidentally walked into one they might see why their neighbors are giving their hard-earned dollars to build one.

Here's hoping...
05:06 PM on 08/22/2010
Any cult or society is best represented by the creator of such a society or religion.

After reading the life of His Holiness Mohammad I totally disagree with Islam being a religion of peace. Your religion is in total contrast with other peace living religions of the world.

Can you explain "Dar-ul-harb" and Dar-ul-Islam"? I am a Hindu from India and totally know the truth.

Why is it so that your brothers cant live in peace any where in the world.
05:44 PM on 08/22/2010
Give me a break. You are saying that the Vedas is PURELY interpreted as peaceful? I have Hindu friends who will strongly disagree with that. The right wing Hindu parties in India justify that the Vedas allows for killing of those who aren't Hindu. Does that mean YOU agree with them in the same manner everyone who is Muslim agree's with right wing nut jobs (both Muslim and non-Muslims) who falsely interpret the Koran.

Give anyone a religious text - REGARDLESS of the faith and someone can always find a false meaning or backing for a malicious act. This is NOT unique to the Koran. So let's stop playing that game....
01:26 AM on 08/22/2010
Why has this become about respect and sensitivity? That's a question true journalists should ask, but I am not hearing the discussion from any of them.

Fact is this is a simple matter of law. Laws which are held under the most basic of constitutional tenants. Why then are we talking about "sensitivity" and "respect"? Because our President openned that can of worms. How can that be. A constitutional scholar, a supposedly great orator, but a man that makes it possible for mass hysteria to rule over constitutional precedent and wisdom. How did that happen? Isn't there one honest journalist out thesre that will address how this happenned? How did a simple constitutional right become questionable during the administration of a constitutional scholar and why? I voted for Obama, as part of the electorate that elected him, I have to ask myself how has he performed in the execution of his duties. The most important of which was to support and defend the constitution of the United States. Honestly I have to say he has failed miserably, both directly and indirectly. I am not even clear right now on his understanding of the basic rights as outlined under the constitution. I hope his faith brings him peace since he has sought to defend it more the constitution. I will not vote for him again.
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jayrag123
as salaam 3laykum
12:29 AM on 08/22/2010
http://www.islam101.com/dawah/muslim_world_map.html
map of countries with large muslim populations
12:11 AM on 08/22/2010
and once again; it's not a ground zero mosque.. it's blocks away.

The hallowed ground at ground zero is being filled with a subway going to New Jersey.
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jayrag123
as salaam 3laykum
12:10 AM on 08/22/2010
America funds the Salafi/Wahabi version of Islam all over the World. When America made the Gulf Arabs the richest muslims in the World they helped spread the ideology of the Salafi/Wahabi throughout the entire Muslim World.
The rise of Islamic fundamentalism can be traced directly to the rise of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia trains thousands of foreign muslims in Religion and Saudi Arabia funds the building of thousands of masjids all over the World.
Moderate muslims have no funding and can't compete against the influence of the gulf Arabs who are mainly Wahabi or Salafist muslims.
12:04 AM on 08/22/2010
Obama has the power, via the 1906 Antiquities Act, to declare the area near Ground Zero a "national monument," which would prevent these Muslims from insulting America by building a mosque where they can brag about 9/11 with their buddies. Of course, he'll do nothing though.
12:29 AM on 08/22/2010
How exactly would a privately owned site two blocks away with other currently operating local businesses including a "strip club", qualify? Please be specific.
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jayrag123
as salaam 3laykum
11:59 PM on 08/21/2010
America and Westerners have a long history of supporting fundamentalist muslims such as the ones in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
America never supports the moderate or liberal muslims. America won't even support its own moderate muslims who were born and raised in America.

Most Americans simply believe all muslims are the same, ignorance is bliss in America.
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01:34 AM on 08/22/2010
......or America's downfall!
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Bayard Waterbury
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11:53 PM on 08/21/2010
Those who would argue that the construction of the planned interfaith center and mosque shows a lack of sensitivity to that occurred on 9/11, I say, you are just plain wrong. In fact, its very existence would prove sensitivity to the loss, and, I am sure that it will contain a sincere memorialization of the dark event which will pay tribute to the losses by so many families and the courage of those families to go on with their lives. In America, we pride ourselves on the courage of conviction in American ideals, and one of the core ideals in our society is the sacredness of religious practice for all, regardless of faith or profession of it. When we look at other countries, with societies which practice absolute intollerance, we must ask ourselves if we want to continue to differentiate ourselves from others in our abiding belief in the rights of all of our citizens, not just the majority. We are a majority Christian nation, but we have always been open to providing for places of worship to all religions. We don't do zoning to prevent synagogues from being constructed next door to Presbyterian Churches, and, in fact they are. We don't consider Bible beating Baptists and evangelical Methodists to be better than Muslims or Shintos. We are supposed to be a completely tolerant culture, and our laws and regulations and court decisions continue to reinforce this attitude and practice. We shouldn't stop being that way for anyone, ever.
12:33 AM on 08/22/2010
No we shouldn't ever let our guard down and let intolerance and discrimination win. That just wouldn't be the American "patriotic" thing to do. Constitutionally majority sensitivity has no standing.
10:57 PM on 08/21/2010
Once again, this is not about intolerance or "not knowing one another well enough." I am a New Yorker and this is about sensitivity. Perhaps with the passage of time, this will be a less sensitive issue and site. But, for now, the wounds in this city are still deep, and the citizens, even many of the Muslim citizens, feel the proposed construction is inappropriate. Repeating over and over that opposition is because of prejudice does not make it any more true. In fact, we are asking the proponents of the Mosque to "know" the sensitivities of the city in which they propose to build. Tolerance and sensitivity are two-way streets.
11:20 PM on 08/21/2010
Sensitivities....not buying it. It's about constitutionally legal rights and nothing else:

" All too will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Let us then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind, let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty, and even life itself, are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance, as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions. "

http://www.princeton.edu/~tjpapers/inaugural/infinal.html

Think about it.
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Wash your hands, seriously.
11:34 PM on 08/21/2010
If it's about sensitivity, they why no outrage at the Masjid Manhattan or Masjid al-Farah, which are both no less than six blocks from Ground Zero and have been there for decades? This a clear political football and I, for one, am tired of playing. Come November, this hubbub will be just that, hubbub.
12:10 AM on 08/22/2010
"If it's about sensitivity, they why no outrage at the Masjid Manhattan or Masjid al-Farah, which are both no less than six blocks from Ground Zero and have been there for decades?"

You answered your own question. Because they are already here. The reaction is against building a new center, esp one whose reason for being is partially (according to Imam Rauf) because of it's proximity to ground zero.
10:29 PM on 08/21/2010
We, as Americans, keep repeating this scene because we’ve never made the effort to learn and understand what discrimination really is. That’s why we have silly debates over whether Imus, Shirley Sherrod or Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a racist. Discrimination, in all its form, i.e. racism, sexism, homophobia, sectarianism, anti-Semitism and colonialism, is the effort by one group to take complete control of the political and economic levers of power in order to deny another group the ability to compete for resources. In short, discrimination is the rigging of the fight for survival completely in the favor of one group over another.

Discrimination relies upon the creation of what W.E.B. Dubois called “The Veil,†a web of stereotypes, myths, exaggerations and lies, designed to create an immutable “difference†between the groups. What we’re seeing in the 9/11 mosque controversy is the residual effects of Americans spending the last 400 years looking at other Americans thru the distortion of “The Veil.â€

We’re so used to seeing “difference,†we don’t realize how warped our vision is.
11:21 PM on 08/21/2010
That is the very root of the problem.
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Get out while you still can!!
10:19 PM on 08/21/2010
Rather we always forget how the repugs devise these wedge issues to distract the sheeple EVERY election cycle and set the agenda that you are playing into.
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watching with amusement
10:08 PM on 08/21/2010
It's a fair bet that the rest of the world knows America quite well.

Too bad we keep confirming their every belief.
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Think free and you shall be
09:50 PM on 08/21/2010
We need to know one thing clearly, who is financing this mosque? Is it a Saudi based charity? If so people need to know and understand that.
Does any one have concrete information on this.
11:28 PM on 08/21/2010
What if it is Saudi based? I am not aware that the Saudi nation is on any terrorist list or stipulated by the Bush/Cheney administration as part of the Axis of Evil.
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05:51 AM on 08/22/2010
Irony that the root cause of the Terror is not on the Axis of Evil list. KSA contributed 17 out of the 19.
KSA has been a direct (through Government) and indirect (through private charities) supporter of the Taliban regime and AQ. They have a pattern of sponsoring mosques through the world that spread the radical ideology that gave birth to the terrorist problems that the whole world is dealing with today.
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06:11 PM on 09/07/2010
Once the list of donors is finalized, it's going to be vetted by several federal organizations, including the NY State Charities Dept, the Treasury Department, and the organizations own inter-faith financial board.

Meaning that no organizations that are on the US' list of banned groups will be a part of this mosque.
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martintillier
human
09:47 PM on 08/21/2010
Personally I cannot stand any religion, I think they are all delusional, divisive and have held back the progress of civilisation, but I recognise that my freedom to be an anti-theist, must coincide with others freedom to be theists. I am more of the philosophical persuasion, much like Mr Christopher Hitchens, I would argue my point of view without condoning intolerance or violence, and I would hope that the advocates of this centre would respect the views of apostates, gays, atheists and anti-theists like myself, I call myself anti-theist for at least two reasons, firstly, as I say I do not agree with any religions stance on reality but also because, to describe myself as an atheist, I would be saying that there is a god but that I don't believe in him, one step away from agnosticism whereas an anti-theist declares his or her conviction that there is no god. I'm sure that this comment may rile some people, but it is my freedom to express either, belief or,in my case, lack of belief.Just as it is other peoples freedom to worship whatever imaginary friend they believe in.
10:00 PM on 08/21/2010
I have to agree with you. Though I'm a Christian, but I see things are not getting any better when religions are around. For centuries, people get killed just for not believing in a certain religion. Or one religion kill another religion's people. Why should it be? Doesn't each of their religion teach them to be good? How sad.
11:32 PM on 08/21/2010
""Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
Thomas Jefferson - "Notes on Virginia"