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Does Your Female Boss Really Have Your Back?

Posted: 12/26/11 08:50 AM ET

According to a new report out of Sweden, the answer may be no.

Sigh. Can't you just hear the backlash? The ugly comparisons to the odious Miranda Priestly of "The Devil Wears Prada" fame? The rousing chorus of "I told you so"?

Sorry, folks, but we don't buy it. What we think this report speaks to is not what women may be doing wrong -- but to the roadblocks, both culturally and structurally, that still stand in our way.

The study, from the Institute for Labour Market Policy Evaluation (IFAU) and the Uppsala Center for Labor Studies (UCLS) at Uppsala University, suggests that women managers are no more likely to eradicate the wage gap as their male counterparts, nor are they likely to hire more women. According to Science Daily:

...economist Lena Hensvik found no support for the claim that female managers entail any benefit for women in connection with wage setting. The study encompassed all of the public sector workplaces and a representative selection of private sector workplaces in Sweden during the years 1996-2008.

"At the first stage, I found that women with female managers receive higher salaries," she says. "But when I went further and considered individuals who had had both male and female managers and how salary varies with manager gender, I found no significant difference between working for a woman and working for a man. Any differences appear to be tied to the individuals, not their managers."

... But do women employ more women? Lena Hensvik asserts that there is no evidence that they do.


Let us be the first to say that we don't buy the conclusion that the study necessarily shows that women in high places don't benefit the rest of us. Or that we can't count on women leaders to mentor us in the way that, well, Larry Summers mentored Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg. Or that a woman boss is no more than a man in a skirt (or, ahem, shoulder pads) It's a complicated issue that has much more nuance than the numbers might show: we've come a long way in a relatively short period of time, and the world has yet to catch up. All of us -- men included -- are still stuck in a working world designed by and for men, and though women now make up close to half the workforce, structures, society, and policies have not made the shift. All of which leaves us in something of a pickle that goes beyond a series of stats.

To help figure it out, we talked to communication scholar Laura Ellingson, director of Women & Gender Studies at Santa Clara University. She says it's all about the questions that are not asked as opposed to the ones that are. Bingo. That's a conclusion we will buy.

When it comes to the wage gap, Ellingson points out, it's been well-documented that men and women negotiate differently when it comes to salary. "That is, men tend to negotiate once they receive an offer, while women tend to accept what they are offered. Hence, even when made identical offers for the same job, men tend to begin at a somewhat higher salary, a gap which widens over time. One might say that women should simply negotiate, but this is a very problematic piece of advice, since women who do negotiate are perceived quite negatively by managers if they use the same type of tactics that men use."

It's a classic double bind -- cue Miranda Priestly once again: Women who are assertive score low on the likability scale. We're seen as arrogant, or worse yet, ambitious. But if we don't speak up, we get paid less. All of which is infuriating, Ellingson tells us. "They tell women not to 'toot their own horns' from infancy on, leading us to try hard NOT to stand out, and then they ask why we don't advocate better for ourselves."

What's more, Ellingson says, when it comes to hiring decisions, female managers are still operating in a workplace skewed toward masculine interests, masculine styles of communication, and masculine goals, so the idea that they would naturally hire more women per se, is a ridiculous assumption. "So I guess I just don't grant the premise of [Lena Hensvik's report] in asking that question. Here's what I would ask instead: what types of pressures are subtly communicated to female managers -- by subordinates and supervisors -- that are not communicated to male managers? Change the question, change the answer."

Something else to consider: the cultural differences between Sweden and, certainly, the U.S. (Not to mention the pay gap itself. It's on average 8 percent in Sweden; 20 percent here.) For insight, we turned to intercultural communication professor Charlotta Kratz, a native Swede who has been teaching in California universities since the 1990s. She says those differences are not to be underestimated. According to Kratz, the experience of being a woman is of public interest in her country, which has led to a number of gender-equalizing structures throughout Swedish society. When we asked her about this particular report, she told us: "I would guess that the reason that there isn't a bigger female 'effect' in Sweden is that the whole system is more female oriented. Swedish society is far more sensitive to gender issues in general compared to the U.S., meaning that Swedish men make different choices than American men." In other words, she says, there would be less of a difference between men and women in Sweden than there would be here in the U.S.

All of which brings us back to that issue of asking the right question. Or, as feminist icon Gloria Steinem once said: "Don't think about making women fit the world-think about making the world fit women." It's not a question of whether our lady bosses have our backs -- but whether the workplace itself is receptive to change.

 
 
 

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AwesomeInfo
07:24 PM on 01/03/2012
Your female "victim" paradigm is good for politicians, great for special interest...but bad for our girls, bad for our women and bad for society as a whole. The more we distort facts as truth, the less likely "equal" can ever occur. But that's the point, isn't it? If equal were to ever be accepted by the politicians and special interest, what would they pound their chests about in the next election? Who could they be the champion savior of if there is no societal victim?
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AwesomeInfo
07:21 PM on 01/03/2012
I would hope that having a female in a position of power does not change who she would select for a position. That position should be filled based on ability, not gender. What is truly the intent of an article that asks if a woman has another woman's back? Should she? Should a man have another man's back? What you talk about is a lack of ethics. I do not believe men or women in general have a lack of ethics, but when you pose a question such as this, you make it seem like you believe that women shouldn't have ethics. They, like you, should only be consumed with the gender of those they hire or with whom they work. This is EXACTLY the attitude that will never let you let go of your paradigm. The rest of the country walks right on by...women and men being hired for jobs they qualify for, not because what they have between their legs. But for some reason, some REFUSE to acknowlege that we have equal opportunity. Some refuse to acknowledge women are paid the same for the same education, experience and hours worked. Some refuse to acknowledge that women have been accepted in the workplace by men.
06:47 PM on 01/03/2012
I over heard my sister many yrs ago brag about how she got her boss fired to get the job. She just amplified everything she did wrong. I as an older brother of this sister have found that she does this to me to gain her place as the no. 1 person in our family. I even confronted her on this and she admitted to it. She has my dad (and mom) wrapped around her little finger. I have almost no relationship with my parants due to this behavier. She amplifies everything I do to the neg. to my dad (and mom) and they cannot see thru it.
Well, I been happily married for almost 30 yrs to a women that ahs been only a house wife. I have someone to grow old with.....She devorced her husband after only 10ish yrs of marrige. She 50 and still single with all her $ and mom and dad, and no brother in her life (I'm her only brother). I'm 51, and my wife and I raised 2 great kids.
So to all those women out there......is it worth it?
I know guys back stab, but I don't think it's near as bad as women do.
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Alexandra Spinner
Cutting edge with no band-aid
04:57 PM on 01/03/2012
Hey! Man or Woman if you don't ASK, you won't RECEIVE. I am self employed. When I ASK for what I am worth, I get it. And if a woman won't back me, well...imagine who may not BACK her.

We are EQUALS. ACT like it and the kudos are there!
04:35 PM on 01/03/2012
I'm a little saddened by all the "female bosses are horrible" posts. Not to dismiss your experiences, but I'm sure there is anecdotal evidence out there for either gender making for great or terrible managers. I've had friends/relatives with bizarrely vindictive female bosses, sexually harassing male bosses, etc. And I myself have had some really awful power-trippy bosses (both male and female) and some wonderful bosses (also both male and female). Sure, maybe there are some common socially-taught gender differences at play sometimes, but I think it's often less a gender thing and more a human thing. Some people are nice and work well with others, and some people are jerks.
02:53 PM on 01/03/2012
Don't flatter yourself, they don't have your back even if you get the job done........fact is that its a dog eat dog world and everyone is in it for themselves.
02:38 PM on 01/03/2012
Great article. I'm going to add this to my online collection. . . . "click!".
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Skyglider9
If you're going thru hell...Keep going.
01:59 PM on 01/03/2012
I have been working for over 40 years and in all that time I have had perhaps 2 positive relationships with women in the workplace. Women are catty, petty, vengeful, and especially jealous of each other. Heaven help you if you are more attractive, better liked, or smarter than other women colleagues, they will go to any lengths to make your life a living hell.

HAVE YOUR BACK? No, It's more likely they will have your scalp! I often wonder how men put up with women at home. Give me a workplace full of men or a male boss ANY day.

And yes, I'm a woman.
02:04 PM on 01/03/2012
agree 100 percent
03:26 PM on 01/03/2012
I agree as well, most women I know THINK they have some super natural strength to read or interpret people’s behavior, and thus are regularly, and wrongly, concluding that everyone is out to get them, thus they are regularly severing what could have been solid business relationships. I also agree that those who are beautiful are constantly worried about losing that status, and those who are not, are envious of those who are. Men are much easier to handle as a group.
01:55 PM on 01/03/2012
Women backstab each other, and female bosses are the worst. (I'm a female.)
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jaguar6cy
01:51 PM on 01/03/2012
This study reinforces the idea that women should see themselves as victims, and that their only correct goal and aspiration should be to become just like men. They try so hard to pretend they are inferior in order to get compensation for simply being female.
01:41 PM on 01/03/2012
Having worked in a high paced, Corporate environment in the early 90s, there was definitely a top-of-the-hill attitude amongst the women, whereby those that had already achieved did not want to be thrown off of the hill by the up and coming competition. I think that given how hard they worked to get to the top, in a predominately man's world (referring to this particular company), there was a definite fear of losing out to the next "woman", given their reduced place in this particular corporate structure. It is sad, as I found that generally, the female employees were more conscientious, hard working, and generally more logical than their male counterparts.
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cat540011
01:40 PM on 01/03/2012
Sadly, in my experience, women do not make very good bosses. They are catty and if you are perceived as a threat to their position, watch out! I worked for many years in the auto business with mostly men, and did not have anywhere near the issues I did when I took a position working for a woman manager. She was not suited for the job at all and instead of managing she weeded the flower bed in front of the showroom!!!! She also power washed the dealership!!! Took credit for anyone elses good ideas and was finally fired, after losing many good employees.
FelishaC
Letmegetthisstr8
01:13 PM on 01/03/2012
I am fortunate to say that I have boss who is female and is awesome. I am a pediatric homehealth nurse with a boss who cares a great deal about her employees. Maybe because she is happily married (her husband is part-owner of the company). We get a yearly generous bonus, decent raises and not placed under any pressure. Her spirit is always warm and friendly with a smile. Never in my 8 yrs of working with the company has anyone had anything negative to say. Well it does help that I work in the field in which there is constant contact, which helps. But on the other hand, my bootcamp instructor is male, has been my instructor for 2 yrs. He is the greatest. One weekend he was out sick and his backup instructor filled in and it was hell. It was overkill and unrealistic expectations. Standards that "she" could not live up to. But "she" had something to prove.
01:01 PM on 01/03/2012
The feminist ideology has spread and overwhelms academic thinking, the media and all of society. The following statistics, compiled from search results — using http://google.com, illustrate how far the feminist ideology has spread:

Numbers of Entries on Search-Return Lists
Date Women's
Studies Men's
Studies Women's
Studies
Program Men's
Studies
Program
2006 08 28 24,100,000 602,000 340,000 686
2006 09 14 11,500,000 398,000 330,000 636
2007 03 24 2,770,000 296,000 269,000 594
2007 04 11 2,570,000 275,000 261,000 1,110
2007 07 14 2,160,000 465,000 238,000 1,060
2007 08 13 7,580,000 675,000 239,000 1,080
2007 10 09 6,030,000 409,000 68,200 919
2007 11 25 2,300,000 388,000 77,000 69
2007 12 30 6,200,000 561,000 73,600 58
2008 02 12 5,900,000 607,000 76,000 57
2008 05 26 8,270,000 3,390,000 87,700 691
2008 07 14 6,960,000 526,000 87,800 536
2008 09 08 8,100,000 503,000 101,000 661
2008 10 12 8,040,000 492,000 90,400 542
2008 11 07 7,120,000 312,000 85,500 586
2008 12 08 6,470,000 352,000 91,800 661
2010 06 17 5,280,000 136,000 135,000 74,400
2010 12 27 13,200,000 632,000 305,000 28,900
2011 04 24 4,650,000 170,000 288,000 29,300
2011 07 22 16,700,000 777,000 281,000 40,200
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jaguar6cy
01:57 PM on 01/03/2012
You have clearly proven that women have many issues and problems in life. So many issues and problems that many women no longer want to be women at all, and would prefer to be just like men. Because this cannot happen, they simply study it to death.
12:44 PM on 01/03/2012
"Wilbur" is actually my dog's name. I'm a woman with over 35 years of business experience. I find that while it's always a slippery slope to comment on broad generalizations, I must admit that all things being equal, I prefer to work with, alongside, and for -- men. Women tend to be saboteurs of themselves and other women. They give men the extra effort, the extra break, and the preference over women 99.9 percent of the time. It gets a bit better at the exec levels. I think by the time a woman breaks through the glass ceiling she's learned that avoiding genger-based sabotage is a life lesson for women. It does not come naturally. It's a skill that must be learned, practiced, and mastered.
01:29 PM on 01/03/2012
I fully agree with you! My best work experiences have been working for and alongside men! The times I have worked in departments that are primarily women, for a female boss and have been the manager over departments with mainly women. All of these jobs have been disastrous and hellish! Women are always trying to read something more into anything that is said! I honestly think I could have said that it's a beautiful day and someone would have taken it to mean that their work is sub-par! On the other hand, when I did point out mistakes and ways to fix them, women are the ones that get the most defensive and tend to ignore or try to get around ways to fix them. I passed up a promotion to move into an accounting department because it was with 7 women! Give me a male co-worker, boss or subordinate any day!