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The Real Cost Of Low Confidence

Posted: 10/26/11 11:03 PM ET

Out here in Silicon Valley, you can't cross the street without bumping into an engineer. And what you find is that three our of four of them are men. As Shankar Vedantam once reported in Slate:

The gender distribution of engineers at top Silicon Valley companies is similar to the gender distribution of the audience at your average strip club.

Creepy, but not surprising. According to stats out of the U.S. Department of Labor, women make up only one quarter of the workforce when it comes to jobs related to computers or math. Some folks call it the leaky pipeline: Women drop out of math and engineering programs before they ever hit the job market. I should know. I started college as a math major. By sophomore year, I bailed.

One theory out there suggests that women opt out because of the perception that careers in engineering, by their very nature, are not compatible with future mommy-hood.

Another one, most odiously put forth by erstwhile Harvard president Lawrence Summers, former head of President Obama's National Economic Council, is that women, by nature, just don't have the mental chops for science and math. Ugh, right?

Turns out, neither of the above are true. According to a new study published in the American Sociological Review, one of the crucial reasons women opt out of careers in engineering before they've ever opted in is confidence. Or, more precisely, lack of same. It's not that these women can't make the grade, the study found. It's that, when it comes to venturing out into the workplace, they don't think they'll fit.

You don't have to be an engineer (and odds are pretty good that you're not) -- or ever have had dreams of being one -- for the study's findings to resonate.

The researchers surveyed 288 students who entered engineering programs in 2003 at MIT, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, the Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering, and Smith College. They found that the women students took the same classes, took the same tests and earned the same -- or higher -- grades as the male students. And yet, they ended up feeling less confident in their abilities -- or in the idea that a career in engineering was right for them.

One thing that's interesting to note is that the prospect of parenthood had nothing to do with it, at least for the women. "We find that women's desires to have a family do not influence whether they continue in an engineering major or plan to go into the engineering workforce," said the study's lead author Erin Cech, a Postdoctoral Fellow at Stanford University's Clayman Institute for Gender Research. In fact, she told us, "The study found that men, rather than, women, were more likely to perceive that engineering was likely to interfere with raising a family."

That settles that. What undermines the female students' confidence, and persistence, Cech says, is what she calls micro-biases, or those subtle stereotypes about what men and women are naturally good at. "In engineering, for example, men are often thought to be "naturally" good at the "technical" aspects of engineering, where women are through to be "naturally" good at the "social" aspects of engineering, like teamwork and communication. If men engineering students are subtly thought to be more competent at engineering tasks than women, then men and women engineering students will be treated slightly differently by their peers and their professors." All of which snowballs in women, leading to a gradual erosion in confidence that they'll ever fit in.

This new study seems to be right in line with an older one on that we've riffed on before. That one suggested that women avoid math and science, not because they lack the aptitude, but because they don't feel welcome. Call it identity threat: women may avoid situations -- like math or engineering -- when they feel outnumbered. Researchers Mary Murphy, Claude Steele and James Gross found that when women math, science and engineering undergrads simply watched a video that pitched a fictional conference where men outnumbered women, the women showed the physical signs of threat -- faster heart rates and sweating -- and reported a lower sense of belonging, and less desire to participate in the conference at all. The researchers also found that the women who watched the gender unbalanced video were more vigilant of their surroundings overall.

Point being, it's the threat, as much as the reality, that often keeps us out of the game. And not just when it comes to science or math.

A recent Harvard Business Review post on the new study noted that confidence was likewise one of the issues that kept women out of the corporate suites. As writers Jill Flynn, Kathryn Heath, and Mary Davis Holt -- nationally recognized experts on women's leadership -- wrote:

Having combed through more than a thousand 360-degree performance assessments conducted in recent years, we've found, by a wide margin, that the primary criticism men have about their female colleagues is that the women they work with seem to exhibit low self-confidence.

The writers cite a 2011 study out of Europe's Institute of Leadership and Management that quantifies the gender confidence gap (half of women managers admitted to self-doubt about their performance and career, for example, versus less than a third of men) and suggest that this lack of confidence leads to too much modesty; the inability to make the big ask; avoiding attention; and remaining silent, especially at business meetings.

Ouch.

All of this confidence gap comes at a cost. (Seventy-seven cents on the dollar, remember?) That which keeps us out of the labs and out of the boardrooms, often keeps us out of the money, right? But back to Erin Cech and her would-be engineers.

"The root of the problem are biases that are deeply embedded in people's cultural beliefs about of gender and the nature of the work in science and engineering professions," she told us. "The ultimate solution would be to change those beliefs. Such cultural change is maddeningly difficult and slow. So, perhaps the next best thing is to actually talk about the way that science and engineering fields are gendered within engineering and science classrooms. Such talk is considered "political" and thus "irrelevant" in most science and engineering classrooms, and so is never discussed. But, what could be more relevant than the retention of students within those very professions?"

Or, for that matter, any others. (Oh, for the record: It wasn't lack of confidence that prompted me to change my major. It was calculus.)

 
 
 

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Out here in Silicon Valley, you can't cross the street without bumping into an engineer. And what you find is that three our of four of them are men. As Shankar Vedantam once reported in Slate: The ge...
Out here in Silicon Valley, you can't cross the street without bumping into an engineer. And what you find is that three our of four of them are men. As Shankar Vedantam once reported in Slate: The ge...
 
 
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11:14 PM on 11/04/2011
Most women I know avoided the engineering dept at university for one major reason. The revolting men living to have drinking and vomitting contests all over each other.
11:09 PM on 11/02/2011
There is a difference between self confidence, arrogance, and illusion. One of the main characteristics of entrepreneurs is their self confidence. They tend to be confident of their judgement. Typically, far more so that is justified by the facts. Comparisons have been done between skilled managers and entrepreneurs, who were presented with the same situations. The entrepreneurs were far more confident of their decisions - but were not more correct than the skilled managers, who were more aware of the uncertainties.

Many big companies are looking for managers who are sure of themselves - even when the situation is unclear and there is not enough information. I left my last employer after being told that I did not have enough self confidence. While I have no problem making decisions without enough information, I know the uncertainties and adjust as more information come in. This was viewed as a weakness. I don't trust or respect organizations that select for arrogance and self delusion.I left.

The failure of the organization will be no surprise to me. I have seen this pattern before.
02:00 PM on 10/31/2011
I have to wonder if the study is too broad. For instance, women have made great strides in medical practice, which is an applied science, and by all indications that career path is appealing to women (who have the stomach for it). Is it just possible that you don't find so many women in mechanical and electrical engineering fields or any others where they are statistically underrepresented, because there are just not that many women interested in designing dams, computer chips, software and petroleum refineries? I could be wrong, but I was a younger man once and I did not know any females who showed even a hobbyist's interest in those things! I've just read elsewhere that, despite substantial efforts, attracting men to teaching and nursing positions has yielded minimal returns. Do we dare acknowledge that - gasp! - men and women might often exhibit innately different career interests?
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Olderandwiser55
getting older and wiser....
04:53 PM on 10/30/2011
It also might have to do with department stores selling and people buying t-shirts with "I hate math" or Just in time for back-to-school, JCPenney is selling a girls' shirt emblazoned with the slogan, "I'm too pretty to do HOMEWORK, so my brother has to do it for me."

To be fair, they all do it. Girls shirts are about looks....boys about action.
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crazydogchick
I get away with it cuz I'm cute & fuzzy!
01:30 PM on 10/30/2011
I find men that are superstars in home economics incredibly sexy! Especially the ones that vacuum, wash dishes, fill the ice trays, and do that annoying laundry!! I wish to encourage more men to enter these fields!
Randybostonterrier
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01:07 PM on 10/30/2011
I find advanced math as exciting as watching paint dry.
07:39 PM on 10/28/2011
I think another part of the problem is a lack of prominent, recognizable female scientists and engineers. A study was done in 1983 by David Wade Chambers where he asked elementary school students to draw a scientist. They drew a white, middle aged man with glasses and a beard. This is still the picture conjured by most of us today. If you asked 100 adults to name a female engineer or scientist with a recent, important contribution to advancement of their field, I bet you wouldn't find many with a response.

If we wish to encourage women to enter these fields, we need to provide them with some good role models. We need to let them hear from some of the great women in those fields--science and math teachers can easily do this through youtube videos from conferences like ted or inviting local female engineers, physicians, and researchers into the classroom for brief presentations and Q&A. We need to let young women know that scientists and engineers can look just like them and that they are capable of having a career in science or math if they really want to!
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bmitche
05:45 PM on 10/28/2011
You're going to be just fine.
05:04 PM on 10/28/2011
Our secondary and post-secondary schools have internalized the socially toxic value systems of fit and corporate culture. When conformity is finally and logically recognized as a form of identity theft, women's confidence and participation in all occupations should pose few problems.
04:35 PM on 10/28/2011
I am a 26 year old engineer in the DC Metro area. I have been in the IT field for 10 years. I graduated at 16 and entered the IT field, mostly because of its financial benefits. I knew that I wanted a certain type of lifestyle for myself and had to find a way to support it. I think it really is all about what you want out of life, and how far you're willing to go to get it. It is definitely a challenge, but rewarding in the end. I do not have a degree, as most engineers are required to have, I have taken numerous classes and have a few certifications. I hope this gap closes soon, because there are about 5 females in my entire department, about 20-30 males.. go figure.. The funny thing is, I am actually looking to move out of IT and become a Project Manager, as it is really stressful and hard to keep up with, I am a single mom, so I need to shift some things around to keep myself balanced. I find it easier to manage processes versus having to constantly keep up with technology... Aim for the stars ladies!!! Everything you desire is attainable!
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
06:06 PM on 10/28/2011
Many women make good bosses.
03:34 PM on 10/28/2011
I'm a female engineer working in the Silicon Valley, but in the aerospace/defense industry. It is true that there are more male engineers than female, but seriously, our numbers our growing in this field (at least from what I've seen). When I was growing up, a male neighbor told me that I can't be an engineer because I'm a "girl", so I took it as a challenge and got my bachelor and master degrees in mechanical engineering. I volunteer by going to middle and highschools to talk about how cool and rewarding engineering is. I have to credit my family, since both my parents are engineers and they've talked to me about engineering a lot. I really think that if the parents show their kids that math and science are fun, then they wouldn't have any confidence issue, may they be male or female.
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Olderandwiser55
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04:58 PM on 10/30/2011
True, supportive families and husbands make all the difference!

Good for you-and especially for telling others it can be done.

My sister became a chemical engineer in the 70s. Her guidance counselor told her it couldn't be done....she was obstinate enough to do it anyway.
01:40 PM on 10/28/2011
Women have it made in the workplace.
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Lesperado
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03:15 PM on 10/28/2011
So says the oppressive male.
10:21 PM on 10/27/2011
Males doing well at math and science means something is broken that needs to be fixed, but males getting only half as many degrees as females overall is a problem we can afford to ignore. When will the double standards stop?

When men don't choose teaching we blame men but when women don't choose engineering we blame society. It's pure hypocrisy.

How about a push to get more men into education, it's not only a area where boys are failing its over 80% female. I don't see why a story about that can't be in the women's section especially since there none for men. It's a field women dominate and should take the lead in making it more diverse.

Evidence teacher gender affects student performance:

"His study comes as the proportion of male teachers is at its lowest level in 40 years. Roughly 80 percent of teachers in U.S. public schools are women....Dee found that having a female teacher instead of a male teacher raised the achievement of girls and lowered that of boys in science, social studies and English.Looked at the other way, when a man led the class, boys did better and girls did worse.The study found switching up teachers actually could narrow achievement gaps between boys and girls, but one gender would gain at the expense of the other."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14546994/ns/us_news-education/t/study-teachers-gender-affects-learning/#.TqodA96AqU8
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
11:34 AM on 10/28/2011
I taught a science teacher continuing education workshop for a week this summer. Essentially all were minority women with many years of experience, but still with lousy pay even though averaging 30+ children per class. It may be the skimpy funding that pushes males, who still need higher pay for various reason, out.
03:27 PM on 10/28/2011
Did you read the article? It stated that BOTH men and women can excel in math and science, however women, due to lack of self-confidence do not pursue engineering. This places the blame on the women for their lack of self-confidence. A lot of men leave education or don't pursue it because as JF mentions, the low pay drives them away. Most high paying jobs are held by men because those are the jobs they go after. If you want more men in education then pay teachers more across the board to attract them. For a lot of men, teaching is too much aggravation for too little pay. I would also venture to say that most math and science teachers are male and most English and foreign language teachers are female.
04:12 PM on 10/28/2011
Women are earning 50% more degrees than males today. That is a reality and if you ignore that in order to make another run at boosting female self esteem in one of the few areas they are not excelling at I think you are guilty of depraved indifference when it comes to the welfare of our male children.

Exactly how far do boys have to fall behind before women find them to be worthy of attention? Men committed themselves to supporting female achievement but when the shoe is on the other foot we all we here are even more demands to focus on females.

So what are we going to do about the lack of confidence in our boys? How are we going to keep them from dropping out? Teaching might pay less but I don't even see the discussion going on but I have seen at least 20 articles on women in technology this year. The focus is not on those who needs our attention.

Feminism has made helping boys so unpopular that it seems we would rather push a few more girls into engineering than stop half the boys from dropping out. Focusing on getting men into education doesn't need to wait for a salary increase. It needs the aggressive advocacy like I see all the time here but it's only focused on getting women attention despite the sad reality of our struggling boys.
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nix28
Ignorance stirs my inner demon...Sorry.
07:16 PM on 10/27/2011
So women don't go into these fields because they feel they will be outnumbered and won't fit in. Well, that's the way many women felt as they entered into fields that were previously dominated by men. It can't be avoided. Running away from it (or waiting for others so you won't feel so alone) is not going to get anybody anywhere. Suck it up! Seek out a support group for female professionals in the field so that you have an outlet for your frustrations and try to establish at least one contact in the company that you can address these issues with (if they are actually issues for you). If women stop pushing forward because they're scared to be the only ones somewhere, we're going to start losing all the progress that we've made.
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StrawHat
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12:45 PM on 10/30/2011
I don't let the sexism stop me, but after fighting it for forty years, I am getting very, very tired.

It's time for the next generation to step up or you're right -- we'll be back-sliding big-time.
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Paluxy Moon
06:33 PM on 10/27/2011
Many more women would choose engineering if they knew more about it. Give middle-school girls a realistic picture of what the work-world looks like. Do you want to 1) spend your day performing routine work with no real career path, or 2) spend your day solving problems in a variety of ways? And if choice #2 affords the opportunity to do whatever one choose in her free time, then what would one choose?

There are programs being developed now for middle- and high-school age girls to show them what work really looks like. The nuclear industry has a program called Powerset targeting sophmore through senior girls, which has worked well.

http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/publicationsandmedia/insight/insightnovember2010/high-school-program-sets-young-women-on-path-to-nuclear-energy-careers/

We've got to do everything we can to counteract the media images of what girls are supposed to be. The objectification girls experience can be overwhelming unless they have someone to tell them they are smart and they can do anything. ENGINEERING IS AWESOME!
Randybostonterrier
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01:08 PM on 10/30/2011
I'd like to retire and never work around people again that is my ideal life.