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Let's Talk About Sex

Posted: 04/ 3/2012 2:47 pm

Let's talk about sex. Everyone else seems to be. They're talking about women and sex and "Girls" and sex and feminism and sex and HBO and sex and the sexual revolution as failure and the sexual revolution as success.

It feels a little weird to be writing this, honestly, being that it's 2012 and all. But with whom and where and how and how often women are doing it remains a hot topic. As it should. Sex, after all, is hot. And our sex lives are as integral to who we are as our professional lives -- and collectively, every bit as much of a barometer as to what's going on with women as salary surveys and graduation rates and polls about who's doing the housework.

Of course, as is generally the case in discussions about women, women and our changing place in the world, and/or women and sex, there lurks just the faintest whiff of  judgment. In a piece entitled "The Bleaker Sex" in Sunday's New York Times, Frank Bruni takes to the Opinion pages with his thoughts on Lena Dunham's upcoming HBO series "Girls":

The first time you see Lena Dunham's character having sex in the new HBO series "Girls," her back is to her boyfriend, who seems to regard her as an inconveniently loquacious halfway point between partner and prop, and her concern is whether she's correctly following instructions...

You watch these scenes and other examples of the zeitgeist-y, early-twenties heroines of "Girls" engaging in, recoiling from, mulling and mourning sex, and you think: Gloria Steinem went to the barricades for this? Salaries may be better than in decades past and the cabinet and Congress less choked with testosterone. But in the bedroom? What's happening there remains something of a muddle, if not something of a mess...

In a recent interview, presented in more detail on my Times blog, she told me that various cultural cues exhort her and her female peers to approach sex in an ostensibly 'empowered' way that she couldn't quite manage. "I heard so many of my friends saying, 'Why can't I have sex and feel nothing?' It was amazing: that this was the new goal."


First, not so fast, Bruni: while salaries may be better and Congress less choked, the numbers are still far from impressive. While clearly we have made progress on those fronts, I challenge anyone to make the case the work's been done, equality achieved. The numbers certainly indicate otherwise, as we've pointed out from time to time.

Now to the sex. While yes, I'll give you that sexual scenes painted in this and other previews of "Girls" (I haven't seen it; the show premieres on April 15) do indeed indicate a bit of a muddle, if not a mess, I don't see that as problematic. On the contrary: I'd argue said muddle makes perfect sense. And I'll raise you one: I think said muddle is an apt metaphor for what women are going through in every realm.

Women today are raised on empowering messages. From the time we're little, we're told girls can do anything boys can do. (As we should be.) We come of age in the relatively safe, comfortable confines of school, believing in this message and in its natural conclusion -- that feminism's work is over, its battles won. So, too, do we believe in the natural conclusion of that other message -- that "girls can do anything boys can do" also means that we should do things the way they do.

And then, buoyed by the beliefs that feminism is old news and that men and women are not only equal but basically the same, we smack up against the realities of the real world: the judgments, the biases, the roles that don't fit, the obstacles to changing them. The inequities. The shoulds. And we think there must be something wrong with us -- that we're alone in the muddle. When the reality is that the world still has not caught up to the messaging we're fed, nor does the messaging necessarily have it right. Women are wandering uncharted territory. And, without a map, everything looks a muddle. We're feeling our way through.

As Hanna Rosin wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal,

The lingering ambivalence about sexuality is linked, I think, to women's lingering ambivalence about the confusing array of identities available to them in modern life.

Exactly (and I'm not just saying that cuz I wrote an entire book about it). The doors have opened, but the trails have yet to be cleared.

And then, of course, there's this (I can only imagine the backlash I'm gonna take for this one, but I'm gonna say it anyway, because I make the point often in the context of work): women and men are different. There's neurobiology and all kinds of research to support this idea -- and yet, it's an idea that's traditionally been seen as dangerous. And it's seen as most dangerous by women: the worry being that to say that men and women are different, we do things differently, we experience things differently, must necessarily mean that one way is better, one's worse. As though to claim a difference would be to set us off on a slippery slope of regression, inevitably sliding right back onto Betty Draper's miserable, unempowered couch. Or as though to recognize a difference is to divide everyone into two overly simplified extremes, opposite ends of a spectrum -- men are dogs and women just want to be monogamous. People are too complex for generalizations (generally speaking). So I guess my real question is this: Why is sex without feeling anything the goal? What exactly are we aspiring to there? Who decided that's what empowerment looks like?

I mean, isn't feeling something kind of the fun of sex?

And back to those messages: isn't it ironic that women today are raised on the message that it is their right (hell, their responsibility) to (enthusiastically!) embrace their sexuality -- and that one's sexuality is indeed one's own for the embracing -- even while this very notion is again (still!) under attack? Not only is our sexual and reproductive freedom -- the freedom to express our sexuality outside the confines of marriage without threat of banishment (let alone death by stoning, a freedom not shared by many women walking the earth) or biology -- staggeringly new, it's tenuous. Something we're raised to take as a given is something that still needs fierce defending. Every step we take, we battle anew.

It's tempting to buy into the idea that the fight is over, as tempting as it is to put a cheery, tidy spin on what came before. In that piece of Rosin's that I mentioned earlier, she refers to the success of the sexual revolution, attributing it to, among others, "sex goddess Erica Jong." Jong penned a response at The Daily Beast, which she kicked off with a quick anecdote and the line, "That was the way we weren't." Here's a bit from her piece:

Of course I was delighted to be called a sex-goddess and bracketed with Dr. Ruth Westheiner, whom I adore, but when Rosin said the '70s were all about the sexual revolution and that the sexual revolution was one of the props of women's current success, I felt a chill run down my spine. 'Dear Hanna-you just don't get it,' I wanted to say. 'If only you'd lived through some of the things I have -- being trashed as the happy hooker of literature, being overlooked for professorships, prizes and front-page reviews because it was assumed I was -- 'tis a pity -- a whore, you might see things differently. And then, if having lived through that, the pundits now said you were rather tame, you might wonder whether women could ever be seen for what we are: sexual and intellectual, sweet and bitter, smart and sexy. But I am grateful to be a sex goddess all the same.'

...As a young and even middle-aged writer, I used to attend pro-choice rallies with GOP women. No more. Will my daughter's generation now believe that feminism, like democracy, has to be fought for over and over again? We cannot be complacent about birth control, abortion, the vote or our daughters' and granddaughters' future. Just when things look rosiest for women, a new Rick Santorum will be waiting in the wings. And his wife recruited to put a new spin on his misogyny. Just when colleges graduate more women than men, and women are beginning to be paid a little more than a pittance, the press and publishers trot out female quislings to announce that the woman "problem" has been solved. Rubbish.


The fight goes on. There's plenty to battle against. So again, that muddle? Seems pretty clear to me.

 
 
 

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02:04 PM on 04/16/2012
Women do have testosterone the same way men have oestrogen, their levels are just different.

Sexless love isn't confined to men, the same way intimate sex isn't confined to women. That makes men robots, and aren't they human beings just the way women are?

Human being are variable, and aren't just differentiated according to gender. Deal with it.
10:14 PM on 04/04/2012
i think the world would be a better place if women stopped talking about sex and actually initiated sex.
08:59 PM on 04/04/2012
"Why is sex without feeling anything the goal?" I hope not, takes all the magic away, I want to feel and enjoy. That means to me we care about the other and give to the other's enjoyment

"the worry being that to say that men and women are different"
We are different in very interesting ways, which makes up both sides of the same coin, so neither is better or worse.
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05:29 PM on 04/04/2012
Sex isn't logical, it is biological. If you are in a loving relationship, don't be stingy. Jump their bones. Be affectionate and happy. Build you beloved up, don't tear them down. The more intimacy, including physical intimacy, the better. Porn is all over the internet, not because we are a sexy, sexy people, but because many are not getting enough.
01:12 PM on 04/04/2012
No boys can't do everthing a girl can do and vice-versa and it's not important. Our culture has taught that sex is bad and even in marriage the insinuation was only for procreation. I am certainly not going to pick on Christians(as I am one) or any other religion, but I think women have got most of the negative physiological brain washing on this matter. Intimacy is wonderful in a loving, caring, mature, and committed relationship. The more the better.
07:06 AM on 04/04/2012
Why are we still talking about this tired subject unless its to each other? This is so clearly a male thing, they are obsessed about sex and their reproductive apparatus that they go on and on and suck us into their conversation. They still rule the media, women. Let's not be naive. I think we have nothing more to learn from men on the sexual/emotional level. I love my man, I adore my man and mostly feel sympathy for how the culture has forced him into a role. When he goes all macho whether "I don't want to talk about it NOW" or just ignoring most of my twenty-five thousand words a day compared to his measly ten thousand. We are more intuitive and need to express our emotions. But why am I telling you this? Because we have to stop making their subjects our subjects. What about love and trust and true abiding friendship where he has your back and you have his? The sex is just the frosting on the cake.
10:58 AM on 04/04/2012
Respectfully, I don't think sex is just the frosting on the cake but a fundamental ingredient of the relationship. For those who feel otherwise, I'd ask you to please consider this: if you and your SO have agreed to only have sex with each other, and your SO then had sex with another, would you say, "No problem, sex is just the frosting on the cake anyway."
06:23 PM on 04/04/2012
that's not a bad point you got, there.
10:13 PM on 04/06/2012
Yes, but he's MY frosting and I'm his. It just isn't the meat of the matter, so to speak.
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
11:15 PM on 04/03/2012
Happy trails to you. You do know those trails will lead somewhere, right? There are two stable equilibria, ends of the trails. One is pairs, married early unto death, like we had before. The other is harems.
RealistBC
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10:25 PM on 04/03/2012
"Girls can do anything boys can do" - unless and until sex is the topic. Then the Jehovan mandate "THOU SHALT NOT" still applies. At that point best to have lots of chocolate available.
06:30 PM on 04/04/2012
carried over from the other article...LOL
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06:08 PM on 04/03/2012
I'm sorry to be the bearer of what appears to be "news," but men and women are, most definitely, different...thank goodness. Men are generally physically stronger and generally more aggressive than women. Otherwise, why on Earth would we need to "gender norm" at our military academies in order to allow women "a chance" to be cadet officers? Or, why do we need to "gender norm" at firefighter or police training schools so women candidates can compete "equally" with their male counterparts? Put two babies--one male and one female--in a room full of toys and (almost) invariably, the boy will gravitate towards cars and trucks and the girl will go for the stuffed animals or dolls. There are exceptions, of course, but they are rare. Boys and girls are simply wired differently and it's about time we acknowledged, accepted and even celebrated that simple fact.
05:37 PM on 04/03/2012
Women and men may tend to be different, but women are different from women and men are different from men.

It is misleading to talk about trends and common traits and reactions without making clear that they are only that and not guidelines. Women may tend to seek more intimacy than men as a population, but there are still plenty of women who seek less and men who seek more.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
06:13 PM on 04/03/2012
Feminists believe that sexist generalizations are wrong unless they are the ones generalizing.
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myth1958
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04:15 PM on 04/03/2012
Barbara and Shannon Kelley raise the flag of feminism as they navigate through the murky waters of women, sex and modern times. It isn't that they're rabid about it, or trying to re-define the current 'muddle' of sexual politics being foisted upon us this election season by... men. It is just that we are in a special time - a between era - where gender roles and expectations have half-evolved. For comparison: too many well-meaning souls shot off their mouths after Obama was elected saying that we surely had reached a 'post-racial' moment in history where racism was beaten, equality had arrived and White folks could now relax. Pish posh. Ask a Brother or a Sister if that's true: today, prejudice wears nicer clothes and couches itself in smoother terms - but it is still active as ever. The same sort of optimism around women's rights exists all over, obscuring realities for the next generation of women as they hit the workplace, the armed forces, the capitol. Like with minority and gay rights, we can't complain because old-timers remember how bad it once was. That it could be better if pressure was kept up and women were motivated is a fact: try taking a few rights away, Mr. Republican candidate, and you'll see how organized both women and us male feminism-supporters can get.
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03:58 PM on 04/03/2012
I don't presume to speak on behalf of all men, but sex without an emotional connection doesn't work out for me. I don't know if its neurology or cultural conditioning. Without some level of caring, trust and affection... well, no fireworks. I suppose I could overcome that in the right context, but why would I want to? The emotional and intellectual engagement with a woman is a rich banquet, the physical engagement merely a delightful dessert. And I've never been one to skip straight to dessert.
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03:29 PM on 04/03/2012
Yes, men and women Are different. Different physically and emotionally. We don,t have tetesterone, so why do we have to act like men? Why do they think their needs are our needs? I too lived thru the seventies, and it saddens me to see the way some girls/women act with their boyfriends. They don't ask for or expect or maybe even understand that they should be respected. What ever happened to our 'empowerment'.
03:19 PM on 04/03/2012
Woman and men are most certanly different. Thank you. I honestly question why women would argue otherwise, and why they would want to compare their sexual experiences (or ANY of their experiences) to a man's. I LOVE men, but why on earth would I want to compare and judge my experiences against their's? It's not like they have it right and we don't.