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Still Haunted by the Mean Girls?

Posted: 08/18/11 12:41 PM ET

I came across a post over at BNET the other day that suggests that our high school selves sometimes come back to undermine us when it comes to our careers. According to business writer Jeff Haden, our professional lives are "like high school with money" in terms of the way we interact with colleagues. But what might have led to acceptance by the mean girls back in the day can actually be disastrous out in the business world.

He points out that the survival skills we learned when we were fifteen sometimes stick with us until we're thirty -- or beyond -- and they rarely end well. You can guess the ones: Looking to the wrong folks for advice; doing what everyone else is doing because, well, everyone else is doing it; making decisions based on the "shoulds"; and caring far too much about what other people think. All these patterns, he writes, can be roadblocks when it comes to building a professional life.

It makes sense. For many of us, life took an abrupt, unforgettable turn once adolescence reared its awkward head. Maybe we were one of the cool kids. Maybe we were irretrievably dorky. Didn't matter. Whether we were beauty or brains, prom queen or wallflower, picked first or last for volleyball or had our ass routinely kicked by Algebra II, we were filled with self doubt. Self-definition came in the form of how someone treated us at lunch or whether the phone rang that night. Deep inside, or maybe not even so deep, we were all just a little bit miserable because of, or in spite of, how we thought others perceived us.

It's hard to get over four years of living like that.

Given how difficult high school is for girls, especially, and how deep and lingering the scars can be, it also makes sense to ask how much of our insecure adolescent selves stays with women in particular into adulthood. How much is that vulnerable 15-year-old still whispering in your ear, making you second guess your decisions and nudging you to act now according to patterns etched then? Are we still looking for approval from erstwhile best friends? Is there a part of us that still wants to please the arbiters of ninth grade taste -- or show them up? Hello there, mean girls! Take a look at me now!

Sure, men suffer socially in high school -- and as adults -- but here's where it's different for women: We're either hard-wired or socialized or both to please. (Nature or nurture, who cares?) Which is why we listened to what we thought was being whispered about us near the lockers after class -- and sometimes still do. Even as adults, we tend, more than men, to see ourselves as we think others do and judge ourselves accordingly. We ask ourselves: Do we measure up? Do we fit in?

I have to wonder if this is one more reason why career decisions are so loaded for women, especially those just starting out, trying to figure out what they actually want to do. If I choose to be a social worker or a trader or an interior designer, what will that say about me? What will they think?

And could a lingering fear of the mean girls be why some women who've already chosen a profession and advanced in it find themselves longing for something more, something better, something else? Why some of us have such a hard time figuring out what we want?

When we're at work, does this lingering desire to fit in cause us to take a coworker's reactions to our ideas more seriously than our male colleagues would? Are we more self-conscious as a result, continually looking over our shoulders to make sure that hushed conversation in the corner isn't about us? Are we more inclined than men to avoid speaking up altogether rather than risk rejection?

Good questions, right? But meanwhile, even as I type this, I hear a tragic little ninth grader -- the one with the bad hair and the big glasses -- whispering in my ear: What will (choose one) think?

To which the only grown-up answer is: Who cares. Because while we may assume we're being judged, more often than not, the only one who's doing the judging is our high school self.

 
 
 

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12:09 AM on 08/28/2011
Now I'm trying to imagine what I'll be like when I grow up...Slumps in the corner during meetings, can't look anyone of the opposite sex in the face, refuses to wear makeup or anything the slightest bit girly, won't speak opinion, did I mention being deathly afraid of boys? I guess I'm screwed in that case.
09:17 PM on 08/24/2011
Absolutely it feels like high school. All female office - full of she said vs she said. Actually more like elementary school. Send and email to the full group, somebody always comes CRYING (at work!) thinking it was aimed at them. To which I say, if it bothers you that much, maybe it is aimed at you, review your self and your work. I used to work with all men - CALM! Very simple - you do this - you do that - I'll do this - OK. Try that with women, why do I have to do that, why can't she do this, don't bark orders at me. Work is work for a reason, we ain't here to have a party!
03:14 PM on 08/23/2011
I'm starting to see a pattern in a lot of these articles. "Women have to put up with.... while men don't, that's unfair"

Now I don't know if this means women just like to complain more or they seriously think they're more disadvantaged than they really are.

Careers are hard work. Not every man has one, because not every man is willing to put up with the work. Those men don't complain that careers are geared toward ambitious men and that laid back guys don't get to make as much money. They either do the work required for a career, or they go back to shoveling cement. Easy as that.
11:58 PM on 08/25/2011
I see you strongly wish that things be straightforward. I read recently an interview with Zaha Hadid, a rare female architect, got her Pritzker Prize. The combination of brains (degree in mathematics and all that architecture), average looks, and a diva personality (she knows she is good) made two things obvious - she is unemployable (I think she said it herself) and therefore had to start her own business AND unmarriageable. I'm talking here about social standards - a man with that bio would be VERY attractive, while she more than any he, still has to face the issues of 'nice' plus the principle of not standing out too much, or you will be brought back to your place in line or pay dearly. The fact that few get away with success is simply an outlier, the truth is around the median.
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12:11 AM on 08/23/2011
Well thought out and you went right to heart of the problem we all faced weather male or female. I'm well into my sixties and still suffer from my high school years. I have gone through life hiding as best that I could the emotional scars suffered during those four years. Everyone has a cross to bear and most but not all endure the pain. I'm a survivor but the pain is still within myself.
09:22 PM on 08/22/2011
I think this article is dead on. I was the nerdy kid everyone bullied, and who never fought back. I just walked away from the conflict and complained about it to my mom. My friends were often targets as well, and though I stood up for them, they never stood up for me. I still to this day will fight for the underdog, but not for myself. I still to this day, in professional settings no less, get bullied. Its mostly the same stuff, what I wear, what I do in my off time, what I read, etc. Men and women bully, though I have to say the women are sneaker and meaner. I have worked in all male and all female settings, and the women were the worst. Its just like high school in that I never could figure out what the big deal was. Im a live and let live kinda gal. I guess some things never change.
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09:52 PM on 08/22/2011
yep, women are the worst. junior high school was miserable in that respect.
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10:51 PM on 08/22/2011
So you've just admitted to not resolving being the high school nerd, and still thinking you're in some kind of nerd camaraderie click?

Time to let it go, clean cut 80's movie stereotypes(Jocks/Nerds/Preps) are not real life.
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pthesmith
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10:12 PM on 08/24/2011
They ARE real life. The labels may be outdated, but the power relationships are enduring.
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ccalde1961
08:52 PM on 08/22/2011
What makes you think school so is much different for guys than girls?
08:40 PM on 08/22/2011
I wonder what is implied about those of us who were attracted to this headline and elected to read the article. Are we over those dark years; are we still wrestling with those dark years; are we amused by the suffering and therefore still part of the problem?
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millebocca
veni, vidi, clicki
08:06 AM on 08/23/2011
coming from the bullying shallow ones (therein lies true insecurity, ya know) or the ones who were persecuted for being diff and for having the courage to let it show?
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undrgrndgirl
what's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?
08:18 PM on 08/22/2011
mean girls don't change, either...they remain mean girls all their lives...
08:40 PM on 08/22/2011
Isn't that what Sarah Palin is?
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09:53 PM on 08/22/2011
exactly
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millebocca
veni, vidi, clicki
08:07 AM on 08/23/2011
she projects that to perfection
09:15 PM on 08/22/2011
Oh how true that statement is!!!
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french queen13
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07:46 PM on 08/22/2011
Good article. For me it wasn't really a career choice, let alone one dictated by what anyone would think: it was more "what the hell can I do, I have no formal qualifications, my mother can't afford uni fees for me, I have little knowledge of different fields and less ambition." And this was in the early 80s, when employment in Australia was being trashed. (I ended up doing various low-niche jobs in the public service, where every department I worked in was closed because of our State government's anti-public-service ideology.) It's never been a matter of a career but of finding a stable job I can do, and don't actively hate. But the parts about second-guessing and never feeling really good enough were certainly part of my feelings - and would be again if I had to change jobs now at 48 (assuming I could ever get another job at this age). But for all that, work has been FAR better than high school ever was. If it had been like high school, I'd probably have killed myself. School was loathesome.
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06:10 PM on 08/22/2011
Excellent article, I'm 21 and constantly compete with people who are twice my age chronologically but about half my age mentally. Developmentally stunted adult-children are a lot more common than I previously thought. Their bodies aged past high school, their cognition? Not so much.
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Tre Members
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02:35 PM on 08/22/2011
I conted that representative and office politics are just a macro version of highschool politics.
lovelybunchofcoconuts
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12:36 PM on 08/22/2011
Okay, I have a logical question. If women are hard-wired or socialized to please, what were the mean girls, space aliens?
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timbeaux
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08:57 PM on 08/22/2011
Woo-hoo. Fanning for you.
09:16 PM on 08/22/2011
LOL. They aim to please themselves. or they are aliens. Both make sense.
11:57 AM on 08/22/2011
I now know as an adult ALL teens; girls or boys, popular or unpopular, nerds or jocks, etc... are all worried about themselves and worry what everyone else is thinking about them. When in fact, everyone is thinking/worried about themselves.
I just wish 15 year old me knew enough not to care.
Although, I do secretly get excited when I see the "popular" cheerleaders on facebook gained excessive amounts of weight. I just can't help it.
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timbeaux
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11:55 AM on 08/22/2011
I have news for the writer of this piece: High school is wretched for boys, too. Except for the male equivalents of the most popular girls, boys are just as much bullied, ostracized, teased, and hazed as girls are. The writer has obviously never been a boy, but she could at least have asked a few.

And another suggestion: High school is miserable for the "mean girls" and the male bullies as well.

What this piece suggests to me is that women aren't as good as men at putting this kind of experience behind them, and since I don't believe that for a moment, there's nothing whatsoever in the story I agree with.
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coalman987
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08:50 PM on 08/22/2011
Couldn't agree more. This article didn't need to be about one gender or the other. Everyone hates high school except the top dogs.
11:47 AM on 08/22/2011
High school was fine. Middle school, on the other hand, was torture.
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09:55 PM on 08/22/2011
amen.