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Dream vs Reality USA Basketball 2012

Posted: 07/30/2012 6:51 am

Evolution is inevitable. It's human nature to increase efficiency as time progresses. A computer or automobile from 1992 can't compete with a 2012 model, and neither can an athlete. This is as it should be. Without steady improvement in all fields how else could society advance? People were outraged when Kobe Bryant said his 2012 roster could beat 1992's Dream Team but quite frankly he's right! With the theory of evolution and advances made in sports science and nutrition over the past twenty years why wouldn't the current team be better?

People get too caught up in the mystique and historical significance of the players that were on the Dream Team. Magic, Jordan, Bird, Pippen, Barkley represent the start of the "pro sports renaissance" that created the hundred-million dollar contract, endorsement driven market of today. To most fans these athletes symbolize the "golden era" of the sport, and this feeling manifests itself into the unrealistic belief that they're unbeatable. Of course they won every game by forty points, the opposition was sub par! Remember, we only used professional players in 1992 because we didn't win gold in 1988 when America was represented by college athletes. Nine out of ten times prior to that American amateurs won the gold. Somewhere along the line the rest of the world gradually narrowed the gap to a point where they could actually compete with the American pros.

The current international influence on the NBA is undeniable. In the past decade we've seen foreign born players like Tony Parker and Dirk Nowitzki win the NBA finals MVP. Some of the best players in the league are now actually from over seas, which drastically raises the level of talent for their respective countries. Players like Marc, and Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, Dirk Nowitzki, Tony Parker, Luis Scola, Jose Calderon, Loul Deng and the recently retired Yao Ming all played Olympic Basketball for a country other than the United States. While Team USA is still superior its obvious why some of the games in 2012 are more competitive then those of 1992.

No disrespect to Magic Johnson and Larry Bird but they were certainly past their prime by the time the Dream Team was assembled. I find it hard to believe they'd be able to keep up with Kevin Durant, Lebron James or Carmelo Anthony at this point in their career. John Stockton would look like a sacrificial lamb in front a point guard like Deron Williams or Russell Westbrook. The evolution of the sport has resulted in a league of "hybrid players". A league where the guards are much larger and more athletic, and the big men faster and more multidimensional. Think of it as "Athletic Darwinism"; future generations naturally improve upon the talent level established by their predecessors. The same theory can be applied to the NFL with players like Cam Newton, Michael Vick, and Robert Griffin III who are athletically superior to the quarterbacks of the past. In order for them to be successful in today's league they have to be! Freakishly gifted defensive players like DeMarcus Ware, and Julius Peppers make the immobile statuesque quarterbacks of yesteryear obsolete. (See Drew Bledsoe)

Even if you're skeptical about the "Athletic Darwinism" theory and you still believe the 92 team was better you have to admit the Twenty Twelve-ers are more than capable of wining a hypothetical one game elimination scenario. If it were somehow possible for the two teams to meet in a gold medal game who's to say Kobe doesn't go off for eighty points? Or Lebron doesn't have one of his forty point, seventeen rebound, thirteen assist performances? Truth is, they don't need a legendary performance to win but anytime players of that caliber take the floor such a performance is a possibility. Kobe, Lebron, Durant are the evolved forms of Jordan, Magic, Bird. The talent level of the NBA will continue to increase as the game and its players continue to evolve, its human nature. And if the best players from the U.S. are chosen in 2032 they'll most certainly be better than the 2012 team. Its okay to revere the players of the past but its ridiculous to think they set an unreachable precedent, that the last twenty years have been spent in regression rather than progression.
 

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Evolution is inevitable. It's human nature to increase efficiency as time progresses. A computer or automobile from 1992 can't compete with a 2012 model, and neither can an athlete. This is as it sh...
Evolution is inevitable. It's human nature to increase efficiency as time progresses. A computer or automobile from 1992 can't compete with a 2012 model, and neither can an athlete. This is as it sh...
 
 
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Black Rhino
08:07 AM on 08/01/2012
Another huge question - which rules? Do we allow hand checks? Can the rough physical play of the late 80's pistons be allowed?

The rules often determines the styles. Is the 3 point line only 21 feet away? Etc, etc.

Today, we coddle the players so much, they can zip around the court, and shoot jumpers, or drive to the rim without fear. That wouldn't happen in the past.
06:44 AM on 08/01/2012
The annoying thing about most people who buy into this "dream team" myth is that they never saw the 92 team actually play a game. Nor do they realize how much better the rest of the world has become at basketball. They aren't even fans of the game just victims of Nike marketing!
01:36 AM on 08/01/2012
How many times did MJ ever score 82 points in a game? Kobe did and is easily the greatest player of all time. MJ is maybe in the top 10. Maybe.
02:03 AM on 08/01/2012
EASILY!!!!!!!!
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Black Rhino
08:04 AM on 08/01/2012
You do realize how inane you sound, don't you?
02:20 PM on 07/31/2012
this is a well thought out opinion. sure the game has been evolutionized, but what you cannot change is the competitive drive and will to win which the players of '92 brought to the table. also, the '92 team played better as a whole and had a better point guard, john stockton, who helped it run inevitably stronger and more structured than any team before and after it so far.
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ProfessorBIGWUN
02:44 AM on 07/31/2012
OO-oo-ooh...Tyson Chandler wd really dominant the boards!
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Black Rhino
08:04 AM on 08/01/2012
Yep, he's so much bigger and faster than David Robinson or Patrick Ewing.
01:45 AM on 07/31/2012
It's preposterous to even COMPARE the 2012 charade to the 1 True Dream Team! Yes, physically athleticism has evolved. However, intellect has devolved (check our nation's educational statistics if you need further proof). Players have cashed out on physicality by brushing off the value of intellect (i.e., this year's MVP). The weak rule the strong. The wise rule the world. Jordan, Magic & Bird would have schooled these wannabees. Hands down, no contest. It would've been a 4-1 massacre reminiscent of Jordan's first Finals against LA - or, on more current events - Lebron's first ring (even though the Big Three had nothing to do with Bosh & more to do with big ego-whining & the worst one-sided officiating I had the displeasure of watching in ANY NBA Finals in history) {EXPLANATION POINT} These scrubs in 2012 hold no weight against the legends... Your arms are too short to box with God, children... Amen.
07:28 AM on 08/02/2012
WELL SAID
09:16 PM on 07/30/2012
I will take the 1992 team any day. They played real basketball. The current team is just a bunch of older AAU style players. I think we see closer scoring international teams vs USA basketball because US players are devolving, relying on too much athleticism and less understanding of the fundamentals. Kobe is probably the last true student of the game. But back to 92 v 2012, 11 HOFers from a more competitive era gets my vote. LeBron hasn't seen Pippen defense either! I'd even take the 96 team over 2012!
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12:18 AM on 07/31/2012
The 1996 Team with Shaq and the Dream would have run these boys off the court.
12:58 AM on 07/31/2012
How many of them were HOFers in 92??? These guys are still playing! Is Kobe not a first ballot HOFer? Is Lebron not going to the HOF? Is Durant not going to the HOF? Is Carmelo not going to the HOF?? Do Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, and Deron Williams not have the potential to be HOFers? Not to mention Howard, Wade, Rose, Bynum aren't even playing!
04:28 PM on 07/31/2012
Seriously, its only about 5 (lebron, kobe, durant, CP and carmelo) players on that 2012 squad that are worth talking about. The rest are good role players. The 1992 squad would dust them off...better yet the 1996 team would dust them off.
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hamroc1392
01:59 PM on 07/30/2012
These 2 teams can not be compared. The Dream Team was composed of legends who played at a much more physical level than the game is today. In this year's team, players are very good but haven't reached that legend status yet except for maybe Kobe who got to play in that physical style of basketball. Plus the Dream Team was composed of big men like Patrick Ewing, Malone & Robinson. This team doesn't have any big men that can dominate the paint. That's why the Gasol brothers will give USA a hard time in the finals. 2 different teams...
11:30 AM on 07/30/2012
people need to stop living in the past and adjust to the present and the future. I am a jordan fan and sure i like all those guys that played on the dream team, but lets look at reality here for a second. , this era big men are far more athletic then the big men of that era. someone please point out one player from the dream team who could play all five positions like Lebron, or show me a player out of the dream team who is just as dynamic as Durant besides jordan which is clearly out beaten by the fact that the 2012 team has far more horse power then any one of his teammates from the dream team had. now, with that statement being made i am not taking anything away from the rest of the players that played in that 92 olympic team. magic and bird were on the end of their careers, stockton was battling injuries and altough i respect clyde the glide as a great basketball player he was getting old already and quite frankly i dont think he would match up with anyone of the guys from this era. the point that im trying to make is that things are suppose to get better with time, its in our human nature to progress. we came from being wild caveman to civilize people, or is someone going to tell me that caveman were much smarter or stronger then we are now,
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04:34 PM on 07/30/2012
This is not about living in the past - it is about basketball. Basketball is more like Heavyweight boxing. Earlier era's of Heavyweight boxing clearly had greater boxers. We all know this. Now, the fighters just don't have the talent and skills. A similar thing has happened to NBA basketball. Today's players can do only one thing better and that is DUNK. When it comes to everything else, the current players have the poorest display of talent since the 1960's. Remember we are not just talking about Lebron James and Kobe Bryant.

We are talking about Player 1 through player 450. Its easier now to get into the NBA than ever. It is watered down.

You want to know why these current teams struggle with some international teams? Its because many NBA players ONLY see decent half court offense during international competition. NBA players see more effective zone defense during international competition. The type of game currently being played in the NBA features poor team offense with lots of jacked up three pointers and only a few players that can hit midrange jump shots. The NBA teams of 70's -80's and early 1990's would literally run circles around the current group NBA players. None of these teams today can stop "pick and roll" basketball. Neither do they move without the ball on offense.

Now we have a collection of high school graduates and "one and done" college players who come to the NBA practically basketball ILLITERATE. This isn't evolution its
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11:54 AM on 08/02/2012
"Neither do they move the ball on offense". Nothing is more frustrating about the modern game than this single fact. I often get the impression that when a player gets the ball, all his teammates disappear or stand around tweeting or something.
08:29 PM on 07/30/2012
EXACTLY!
10:27 AM on 07/30/2012
Your argument is flawed. Has there been any composer as prolific as Mozart & Beethoven in recent times? How about Einstein? Has anyone surpassed him in advancing new ideas? Leonardo da Vinci's paintings hmm?

You are talking about outside influences like nutrition, physical training etc which of course the 2012 team benefits due to advancements made in sports science. That has nothing to do with sheer talent. If both teams lived in the same era, who do you think would win based on sheer talent alone?
08:28 PM on 07/30/2012
Art can't be judged by the same standard becuase its value is ultimately determined by the beholder. Theres no tangible way to judge it the way you can a 40 time, vertical leap, or basketball score for that matter. Einstein has had theories disproved and improved upon since his death isn"t that progression??
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12:24 AM on 07/31/2012
40 inch vertical leaps - that didn't start in the 2000's. You must be kidding me. I am not seeing anyone with more vertical than Dominique Wilkins or even Jordan. There is alot of non sense going on. When sports improve people are willing to acknowledge it. As much as we loved Carl Lewis no one is going to argue that he could beat Tyson Gay or Bolt. As much as we liked Tom Watson the golfer no one is arguing that he was better than Tiger Woods. In some sports things improve but not in every sport. US basketball players have gotten weaker not stronger over the past 20 years. Ask David Stern he can tell you. This guy and his consultants have been trying their hardest to make the game EASIER for the players because they fall short of the past professionalism and skill level of basketball players from the past.
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Black Rhino
08:08 AM on 08/01/2012
You've taken a crude interpretation of darwinism, and found what you wanted to see.
10:25 AM on 07/30/2012
I agree with James. This article is bogus. "Evolution of the players," Seriously?

If the question was who has more talent the 92 team or the 2012 team? I would say it is pretty close. But if you are actually asking me who would win. I would say the 92 team easily. Why? It's called team work. Just because you have a team chock full of talent doesn't make you a great basketball team. Basketball is a 5 on 5 sport. And being a great team takes 5 players playing together well.

Let me give you an example... In 2004 our US Olympic Team came away from Athens with the bronze medal. They lost in the opening game by 19 points! This team had Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, etc.... It was not lacking in talent. It was lacking in team work.

That is why I would pick the 92 team any day.
08:37 PM on 07/30/2012
Good try but the 2004 team was in no way shape or form the BEST talent the NBA had to offer! Remember Lebron, Wade, and Carmelo came into the league the year before and were virtually rookies! Dont you think theres a huge difference between them THEN and NOW? Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Jason Kidd and Shaquille O"neal all declined to play that year! Those five alone would've won the gold!
10:21 PM on 07/30/2012
There may have been players who declined playing on the 2004 team. But my point was that 2004 team was still far more talented than the teams it lost too. It is not talent alone that wins games. The 2004 team still had Wade, LeBron, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire, etc. They were an incredibly talented group. They lost because talent isn't what wins ball games. A TEAM wins a basketball game.
10:11 AM on 07/30/2012
Evolution? That argument is flawed Has there been a composer as prolific as Mozart, Beethoven? Has anyone surpassed Einstein in advancing new ideas? How about Da Vinci's paintings? If Jordan etal lived in the same era as Lebron's and everyone had the same conditioning, sheer talent & will to win alone will be the sole factor then. Who do you think would win lol?
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08:50 AM on 07/30/2012
As a former Basketball player and follower of the sport for many years. I can tell you that the evolution argument in Basketball is a myth. While some basketball players have evolved athletically - the skill level of today's basektball players in terms of actually playing the game has declined since the middle of the 1990's. Offensively players from the United States have shown fewer skills in shooting, passing, and half-court offense.

The athletic difference between the basketball players of the 1980's and 2000's is not that great. This is another myth. Sure you can point to a Lebron James or Kevin Durant but they do not represent the average NBA player. IN FACT, since the introduction of more NBA teams in the 1990's it has become easier to get into the NBA and the competition has been watered down.

We also know that the NBA was really struggling in terms of scoring during the 1990's so the NBA changed the rules that made it easier to score. Calling very minor fouls and making easier for their players to drive to the basket because their superstars could not shoot jump shots.

This article is clearly written by someone who doesn't know much about basketball - although he is probably a "fan"
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panther22
11:46 AM on 07/30/2012
Like you I've been a long time follower of the NBA all the way back to Wilt Chamberlain and Lew Allcinder. I agrre with your insight to the game. The talent base has been diluted due to the addition of new teams, players today are more about their own individual stats versus team play, the minor / non existence fouls and the lack of fundamental skills.

Today's players can be 7'4" and they want to be a 3 point shooter...no inside game at all...no go to shot...ie....Kareem's Hook shot...Jordan jumper or a Ewing bank shot.

For the reasons listed above is why I consider the "Dream Team" to be one of the greatest basketball team every assemble.
08:48 PM on 07/30/2012
As a former player on WHAT level Mr.James? I don't think your years of junior varisty warrant your self proclamied "expertise" on the subject. You said they changed the rules in the 90's to make it easier to play...arent we talking about the team from 92!!??? The athletic difference between the 80's and now isn't that great?? Do you not notice any difference between John Stockton and Russell Westbrook? If you were actually a basketball player you'd know its much harder to score against a zone defense (which is legal now) than it is aganist man to man. We are NOT dicussing the AVERAGE NBA player, we're dicussing the BEST players. But I thought the fact these were Olympic teams already established that.
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12:07 AM on 07/31/2012
Insulting me will not help you win the argument. What is the difference between John Stockton and Russell Westbrook? Well for starters John Stockton shoots the ball better and averaged more assists. Russell Westbrook is a player who is fast and basically illiterate when it comes to being a point guard. How many turnovers does he average a game. Westbrook is fast but that doesn't mean that he can direct a team in fact, HE CANNOT direct a team very well. He makes bad decisions and is full of turnovers. Is this how you want to evaluate the relative strengths. If you can shoot a midrange jumpshot - something today's NBA players cannot do. The zone defense is a god send because that means you get open shots from mid-range on out. You see I remember in 2004 & 2006 when the international teams packed the inside against Team USA and DARED them to shoot jumpers and Team USA chocked because they couldn't hit those shots. The international teams hit those shots all day. The Dream Team would hit those shots. You want to compare the turnover to assist ratio between Russell Westbrook and Stockton?
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12:16 AM on 07/31/2012
I have been watching international basketball since the mid 1980's. All the BS about how TALENTED the current players are-- really. When you say talented what are you measuring shooting percentage? Free throw percentage? Rebounds? Or are you enamored with fast break dunks. I am in my 40's and I can still dunk. So what? Does the Sports Center highlights impress you? What we have are players who never learned half court offense except at a high school level and then they are jumping to the NBA after one year of college and you expect us to believe that they are competent enough to play at the NBA level. BS! You got a bunch of 6'8 to 6'10 dummies who populate the NBA benches because they are tall. These type of guys would not make an NBA squad in the 1980's because they wouldn't be able to figure out how run the plays. Dallas Mavericks, Miami Heat - winning NBA championships in the 1980's or early 1990's. You must be kidding me. All of that easy driving to the lane. NO Lebron would get hard fouls put on his a**.