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What's Better for Creativity: Depression or Happiness?

Posted: 10/30/10 05:38 AM ET

Last week the Dalai Lama was at Emory University, where he holds a Presidential Distinguished Professorship. Amongst the offerings were a teaching on compassion and an exploration of scientific research into compassion meditation. There was also a discussion with Alice Walker and Richard Gere called "The Creative Journey: Artists in Conversation with the Dalai Lama on Spirituality and Creativity."

This was how it was described:

How do the arts help us to express, or indeed to uncover, our spiritual yearnings and questions or certainties? What do the artist and the spiritual master have to teach each other from their respective disciplines? What is the role of tradition (or, conversely, iconoclasm) in maintaining or renewing art and spiritual life? Is the human being innately spiritual, innately artistic?

The first question began, "In the West many people believe that creativity comes from torment, while in the East there is more of a tradition of great art coming from balance and realization." I myself know that this is true because many meditation students have asked a variant of this, equating edginess, boldness and creativity with inner pain, and happiness with dullness, laziness and giving up. Artists, actors, musicians have expressed some reluctance to practice meditation lest they be content in all the worst ways, lying about in placid obliviousness.

Alice Walker responded in an interesting way, saying that early in her career she had felt that good poetry must come from sadness, a notion that she had picked that up from Langston Hughes. But as she got older, she said, she found that she was just getting happier and happier, and was, of course, still writing. Richard Gere talked about being a lost, angry young man playing roles of lost, angry young men, and how the spaciousness of greater and greater happiness allowed him not to identify with those roles, not inhabiting them so fully, but to play with them, to be flexible.

The Dalai Lama took the conversation to another place, seeming to define beauty as a good heart or wholesome mind state, rather than by any external measure. He recounted that many times he had been brought to a cathedral and asked to admire its artistic beauty, but that that didn't hold a lot of interest for him. He was more concerned with freedom from suffering, with internal states, with motivation and heart space.

I suspect that the Dalai Lama couldn't even imagine the concept that one might cling to suffering for a creative edge or think of happiness as a dulling agent. Happiness in Buddhist teaching is seen as inner abundance, resourcefulness, the wellspring of energy within that allows us to serve, give, offer, create. If we don't ever think we have enough, we're not motivated to give. If we are depleted, exhausted, demoralized and despondent, we don't nearly have the energy to help others, to express, to go forth and try to make a difference. So happiness isn't at all seen as laziness but the foundation of very great activity of all kinds.

 
 
 

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Last week the Dalai Lama was at Emory University, where he holds a Presidential Distinguished Professorship. Amongst the offerings were a teaching on compassion and an exploration of scientific resear...
Last week the Dalai Lama was at Emory University, where he holds a Presidential Distinguished Professorship. Amongst the offerings were a teaching on compassion and an exploration of scientific resear...
 
 
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BMcC724
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02:08 AM on 11/17/2010
It's personal people! Mondrian & Rothko were tormented men while Rembrandt & Ross Bleckner were/are, by all accounts, at peace. As many examples as there are practitioners.

WTF is happiness anyway?
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Courtenay Jones
02:28 AM on 11/04/2010
I could write a whole art history research paper on the nature of duality & the different views of beauty & creativity in the east & the west. It must have been pretty difficult to sum this up in one article.

I know that I often go through many emotions in just a few moments. I'm not sure if being creative helps me process these emotions, because it helps me find a way to deal with them. But I have noticed that rarely do I feel just happy or sad but a mixture of the two. I often feel this bittersweetness that makes me want to share this experience with others but in a less literal more transcendental way that they can relate to as well. So I can express myself & so that others can feel less alone in their darker times...

That is just my nature though. I'm not sure if others feel this way.

At other times my creativity makes me want to destroy everything & this at times can be scary/takes a lot of courage to get through these moments.
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Courtenay Jones
02:23 AM on 11/04/2010
This is interesting because on this season of Project Runway we had Mondo the designer who produced clothes that seemed joyous & April who was constantly negatively critiqued on how depressing her designs were. I started to think about how we overvalue happiness in our culture because even though April's inspiration was despressing it doesn't mean she didn't create works of beauty. Sometimes Heidi Klum seems to shallow to realize this/completely buys into everything our culture is selling despite being from the old worldl. But I did find Mondo's bright, happy clothes inspiring because it showed me he worked through his pain & overcame them. Holla if you know what I'm talking about...
01:38 AM on 11/03/2010
I just finished reading Tim Pond's latest book titled, "The Three Insights" and after reading this book I learned that when a person makes a change in their life (in a positive way) he/she will make a positive difference to the world. I honestly think that this works with creativity as well.

http://www.threeinsights.net/book/
06:12 PM on 11/03/2010
Ok, history shows that you can be super creative when depressed. But in my opinion, the most important thing is to find your unique purpose. When you find and live your purpose, you are at most times grateful and happy. And you will innovate positive things to you and others.
10:19 AM on 11/01/2010
You can dissatisfied with the world but happy at the same time. You need the happiness for energy, and the dissatisfaction can be inspiring. I am a musician song writer - artist. I have been going through a very horrible family problem that had me feeling suicidal for about a year. My ability to concentrate enough to do any meaningful work was flat out gone. Happiness is emotional energy depression is the lack of energy. A lack of energy will do nothing for you.
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dartagnan
06:21 PM on 11/01/2010
"You can dissatisfied with the world but happy at the same time."

I believe that without some dissatisfaction with the world there would be no desire to make it better by creating beauty, and thus there would be no art. If there's a heaven (which I don't believe) there isn't any art there.
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stellaone23
07:17 AM on 11/01/2010
finding happiness, being happy, getting sober - it has ruined many a good artist, song writer, musician. just as actors say it is more enriching to play the bad guy because the palette from which they get to work is more colorful, so it is that anguish is a well that never runs dry. tolstoy said, "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." there are fewer sources of happiness, and therefore the art it inspires can be common. but there are a million things that can torment man. it's like the difference between sanity and insanity. sanity is just one thing. but insanity can come from a thousand difference problems.
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dartagnan
06:13 PM on 11/01/2010
"finding happiness, being happy, getting sober - it has ruined many a good artist, song writer, musician."

I'm not buying it. Much if not most of the music of Mozart and Bach and even some of the music of Beethoven is happy, even exuberantly joyous. This idea that the artist must be a tortured soul who when he's not creating art is busy drinking or doping himself to death is of quite recent growth.
08:31 AM on 11/05/2010
two words...Fleetwood Mac! The Rumours album was inspired by their unhappiness with each other.
TOOO
Warning: Rabid Monty Python fan!
02:25 AM on 11/01/2010
Or, as Ringo Starr once sang,

"Got to pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues,
And you know it don't come easy.
You don't have to shout or leap about,
You can even play them easy."

On the other hand, I find I'm more productive when I'm in a good mood.
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04:52 PM on 10/31/2010
I don't see happiness as something to constantly reach for. I'm the most productive when I'm the most stressed and miserable. Bringing something into this world requires going through the birthing pains.
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Joeltron
Passionately seeking dispassion
05:17 AM on 11/01/2010
I don't think her article says anything about 'constantly' reaching for happiness. She is talking about having happiness with you as a foundation to build better productivity. Constantly reaching for anything is inherently exhausting, having it is not.

If you are honestly saying that being stressed and miserable is what lifts you up to be your most productive then I say you are intellectually lying to yourself. If you were being sarcastic then that was funny.
02:18 PM on 10/31/2010
This has been a fascinating subject for me for a long time now. I have worked with many world reknown artists and creative types, as well as my own work. It has always been an internal question as I observed the source of their art -- are they at their best becuase of their pain and suffering or when they reach their highest potential and find happiness?

Often pain is what brought forth their best art and when they reached worldwide success, their work seemed lazier and content, it no longer grabbed the attention of the masses as people like to be around happy people and positive messages but they "tune in" to people who are suffereing as it becomes something most can relate to. Still ... both sides have equal contributions they make becuase in the end we ALL have both happy and depression co-exisiting in our lives and we choose which to listen to depending on our state of mind.
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11:56 AM on 10/31/2010
I can't imagine that either is 'better'. Any source of inspiration is good for creativity. For me the outlet tends to differ depending on my mood. All that matters is that you use it.
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katiek2o
11:06 AM on 10/31/2010
van goph's manic depressive art made me happy to say the least.. all depends on taste.. if you're happy/ why bother? manic/depression can create some very raw emotions. .different strokes..
10:26 AM on 10/31/2010
I find it very sad that the Dalai Lama didn't see the beauty in a cathedral and just sees beauty in the inner life. As he is an enlightened being, I would have thought he would see and appreciate beauty in everything. I respect the Dalai Lama but I don't find this comment helpful.
I really enjoyed Pamela Grundy's posts. Creatively speaking, I choose to create art whether I am inspired or not. I have no desire to only paint or write when I am 'happy' or 'sad'. True art comes from the beauty of every emotion, and to be able to transmit them into a form that others appreciate is also beautiful.
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06:24 AM on 10/31/2010
Happy has contributed to many fine paintings,, music and poetry.
But over time the blues have given us more of them.
Which is better?
The creativity itself is all that matters.
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StinkyBush
Meet the new boss Same as the old boss
03:33 AM on 10/31/2010
Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Elliot Smith, Robert Johnson, Eric Clapton, Ray Charles...(I could go on and on) did their best work while unhappy and saturated with drugs and/or alchohol.
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katiek2o
11:07 AM on 10/31/2010
elliot smith... amazing!
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dartagnan
06:15 PM on 11/01/2010
Which proves ... what? That you can't create good music unless your unhappy and/or drunk and/or stoned?
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StinkyBush
Meet the new boss Same as the old boss
08:03 PM on 11/02/2010
I am not saying that but I would venture to guess that the majority of what most people consider "amazing musing", which will stand the test of time, was created by some pretty unhappy souls who turned to drugs/alchohol. That is all.
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patililac
heaven forbid!
03:10 AM on 10/31/2010
I like the Dalai Lama and respect Buddhism, but why does everyone assume he and his beliefs are always right? Anyway, the silly students who speculated that art comes from torment or you can't be an artist without torment and inner pain is immature--or dead, like Sylvia Plath. Most western artists know that you have to find balance; however, experiencing life to its fullest and understanding the nature of all life in a myriad of ways adds to art, not diminishes it.