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In Friendship, Do You Give More Than You Receive?

Posted: 03/28/11 09:55 AM ET

If there is one thing I hear all the time from women, it is some variation of the theme: "I'm tired of being the one who gives more than I receive."

The details change depending upon the stage of the friendship, but the implication is always that we are tired of being the initiators, the givers, the schedulers, the inviters and the ones who do the most for the other. We apparently listen the longest, serve most thoughtfully, and show up more consistently. In short, we think of ourselves as the "better friend."

From all my interactions with women, you'd think the odds are probable that I'd eventually connect with these blessed beneficiaries, these winners in the life lottery of our giving. You'd think that for every woman who gives too much that there would be at least one woman out there who admits getting too much.

Ironically, I haven't yet met her.

I am curious about this apparent vast imbalance, and I'm not talking about a healthy friendship where life circumstances mean that one of us needs to receive more than we can offer, for a time.

My inquisitiveness leads me to ponder possible theories about why women seem to often be giving to each other without ever feeling full, in return. Could any of them be true?

Seven Possible Explanations For The Giving Disparity

  1. Everyone, except me, is selfish. This is possible, I suppose. Likely? I think not.
  2. Maybe we're all paying it forward. Maybe it's like a big love triangle --where he likes her, but she likes the other guy. Maybe we all are over-giving to someone, and that person is over-giving to someone else, who is over-giving to someone else, which means we're all giving, but it never feels reciprocated by the right people.
  3. Maybe it's easier to see what we give than what she gives. In one case, I actually knew both of the women in a friendship, each of them thinking they gave more than the other. One said, "I'm always the one initiating our time together," while the other said, "She does all the talking -- I am always the one listening to her life." They were both accurate, but it didn't mean that the other wasn't contributing; it was just in a different way. Some of us are better at scheduling, others at remembering birthdays and others at asking meaningful questions. Maybe we tend to only have eyes for how we give.
  4. Maybe we're scared. Maybe we don't over-give at all, but our insecurity heightens our fear of it. Perhaps we hold that memory of one person who walked all over our boundaries long ago; and now, to prevent getting hurt again, we are super-sensitive to anyone who doesn't reciprocate immediately in big ways. Maybe we don't remember that we've become better at setting boundaries since then and can trust more people than we do.
  5. Maybe we give more than anyone needs or asks. I once had a friend who kept buying me trinkets from different shopping expeditions. I sure didn't need those little things and didn't even like most of them. She was giving to me in a way that I wasn't asking her to give, didn't need her to give and certainly wasn't reciprocating back to her. If she ever felt it was disproportionate, I'd rather her have cut back on what she bought me than to resent me for not matching her style. Maybe we need to look at where we give and see if we think it's really meaningful to the receiver.
  6. Maybe we are leaking what we are given. Maybe other areas of our lives drain us so much that even if our friends are giving to us, we can't hold it. Maybe she affirms all the time, but it just bounces off you. Maybe she initiates get-togethers frequently, but you're too stressed to hear them.
  7. Maybe we're not over-generous at all. Perhaps to prevent feeling rejected we only give an inch and retreat, calling it imbalanced when really it was just one email. Maybe the one clue you dropped that you'd be open to getting together again wasn't really disproportionate. Maybe we're only putting our toe in the water and calling it over-giving when it's not. Maybe we can email her a second time, or follow up again, without it falling in the category of too much.

Though I won't go so far as to say I don't think there are needy, insatiable and self-centered people out there, I will say that I don't think everyone, except us, is one. From my experience, almost every woman I interact with truly wants to be in a mutual friendship. However, not surprisingly, those mutual friendships don't seem to be strengthened by scorecard and tally counts.

In my next post (sign up for alerts in the top right corner of this page to be notified when it's up) I am going to highlight some strategies for how we can bring more mutuality and joy to our friendships. But for now, I challenge you, if you're someone who feels like you give more than you get, to see if any of these theories resonate with you. Or maybe you have another one to add to the list?

Why do you think so many people believe they are the over-giver in their relationships?

 

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If there is one thing I hear all the time from women, it is some variation of the theme: "I'm tired of being the one who gives more than I receive." The details change depending upon the stage of the...
If there is one thing I hear all the time from women, it is some variation of the theme: "I'm tired of being the one who gives more than I receive." The details change depending upon the stage of the...
 
 
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missjulz
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01:16 PM on 04/03/2011
The answer for me is that I have a learned co-dependency, and I'm working hard right now to break it. Being raised by two narcissists who taught me that my role in life is to be around for others and never expect to receive anything in return has damaged me. I find that at the beginning of a friendship I give both time, little gifts, make meals, become a supporter to someone in need... this is always the pattern. I"m more careful now because I think I'm repeating the pattern of how I was raised and it's not healthy.

I still want to be a giver and a good friend, and I think I am that person. But I am balancing that with my own needs now. And that is important, too.

I think it's perfectly okay to start friendships by dipping a toe in first, instead of diving right in. Healthy boundaries ensure we surround ourselves with people who are good for us.
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CBasilJr
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05:40 PM on 04/01/2011
I have made many mistakes in my life and often been negatively affected by others' errors.

Some of the most aggregious and the most deadly to a friendship (including the ultimate friendship between lovers) comes from counting favors.

I'm not saying that every person should not have a general idea of the cost vs. benefitss in a relationships. That is necessary for essential self-preservation. On the other hand, if the counting of the costs and benefits becomes too specific too early, it will divide a frienship as surely as violence. Both violence and suspicion violate the bonds of trust and should not be used until there is little doubt that it is necessary.
The only use of violence is for physical (rather than emotional) self defense. Suspicion may be warranted or not but can be necessary for your defense on several levels. When suspicion is aroused, I try to carefully evaluate it, andif I decide that it is reasonable, I check it out. Counting favors is a defense against either person taking advantage of a relationship. When you've finished, either proclaim the results of your analysis or shut it away. Remember that when your friend becomes aware of your suspicion, they may become offended. Of course, a pretense at being offended is also one of the first line of defenses of the guilty party and may actually becoome reality. If you guage that any part of the reaction is fake, then the friendship is generally worthless.
02:36 PM on 04/01/2011
My best friend and I have an agreement.

Neither of us gives gifts unless we want to do it.
No one keeps score about how often one has gifted/treated to lunch the other one.
No one keeps a running tab of the cost of gifts given or received. Some of our best gifts have come from the dollar store! (Ex: A butterfly net which works great for catching spiders or little animals that run into your house and you don't want to touch. They will run from your hand but won't run from a net on a long stick. Go figure!)

We have agreed to do things for each other because the giver wants to do so. It makes us happy to do something nice for each other. But we don't expect reciprocation in any way. To feel like that takes away from something being freely given.

No 'hooks', no guilt, no running tabs, no expectations. Just a kindness here and there when we want to do it. It works for us. I guess that's all that really matters.
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CBasilJr
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05:42 PM on 04/01/2011
F&F.

Your agreement is an excellent rock on which to base your friendship.

It is also a healthy check against the preditors which we run into as our friends are often able to see and determine things that we can't.
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02:49 PM on 03/31/2011
Great article! I feel validated and stretched at the same time. I think I can often feel needy for more from my friends when I'm in phases of great stress (I have a young child, so those periods can be frequent and long!). I really think you're on to something about how we might only recognize how people give to us when it matches our style of giving. That's the whole idea of Love Languages, right? (I'll bet your next post will get to this). That's been a big one for me to try to be reflective and thoughtful about in friendships and in my marriage.
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10:37 PM on 03/30/2011
8. You are too proud to receive or the style in which anything is given doesn't match yours, therefore you believe that you are more the giver than the receiver.

I've had a few friends who are too independent and proud to accept help when I offer it. Then they decide that they are giving more to me because I am willing to admit that I need help. This is not about neediness; it is about self-concept. I know I'm not perfect and will readily admit to my flaws, but during the 'honeymoon' of a friendship, certain people are unwilling to show their true selves in order to receive.

Another thing I've noticed is that if a friendship doesn't survive the first argument, the friendship has no lasting value. If you can't fight fairly or accept conflict in your relationship, it will not persevere. Those who expect perfection out of any relationship (i.e. no conflict) don't live in reality and will not have lasting relationships.
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jozie
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07:03 PM on 03/30/2011
The easiest way to ruin a friendship, or a marriage, is to keep score.
02:37 PM on 04/01/2011
Wise, wise words. ;)
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05:44 PM on 04/01/2011
However, once suspicion has been aroused, then keeping score may be one of your best defenses.
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05:07 AM on 03/30/2011
Giving is an aspect of life that deals with the intrinsic nature of man. It delineates the essence of interactive relationships within a family, community, organization or nation. Most times, relationships on any level are built on exchanges of gifts whether financially or otherwise. It could also involve giving of your time or ideas as long as it can keep relationships going. There are individuals who find giving of any kind a burden, not because they are unable to give, but their lives have been structured either by peer pressure or some other social influence that does not see any value in giving. But there are others who despite such circumstances still believe giving is an aspect of life that cannot be done away with whether rewards are there or not. Giving should not be seen as just disposing of cash or other items to others with less means, but sustaining the bonds of relationships that gives meaning to human fraternity among all races of the earth.
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Mary Poe
02:04 PM on 03/29/2011
As a rather introverted person, I have learned that you must make the effort with friendships and not to take a score of whom has initiated or given the most in a relationship. There are also two ideas that I have kept in mind when friending people:
1. Give and never expect anything in return.
2. Everyone has their limitations.
08:53 PM on 03/30/2011
As an introvert myself I like what you wrote. Nicely said. Please accept my fanning you.
02:42 PM on 04/01/2011
I agree and would like to add one more to your list, if I may.

Boundaries. Respect a person's boundaries, personally, professionally and don't go prying into their belongings.

I had a 'friend' spend the night at my home. During the night she got up and went into my studio and found my diaries, books of thoughts, personal memos, etc and read them. Went through all of my bookcases, played with my personal crystals and who knows what else and then had the gaul to tell me what she did in the morning. That was the end of our friendship. You don't go snooping into other people's business.
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krallfan
12:01 AM on 04/02/2011
This made me angry reading it. How dare this person go through your things. You don't do that to anyone, much less a friend.
01:59 PM on 03/29/2011
Great article. Thought provoking. Of course I am the one who feels like "the giver" in my female relationships, and I am consequently one of the only childless friend among those I know. I've observed that once women have children there is little if any reciprocation given in maintaining friendships with those that do not have children. Of course there are probably good reasons, but it doesn't make it any less true. Just my experience in the last 15 years.
10:35 AM on 03/29/2011
I think there are people who are needy and people who are not. I have friends that I can go 6 months without communicating with, but when we get together, its as if nothing has changed.
When I do things for my friends, i don't really think, ohhh i should get something back, I do it because it makes me feel good and it brings a smile to his or her face. I think too many people demand things from people that they don't demand from themselves.
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wishfulslinkings
12:37 AM on 03/29/2011
Quite thought provoking article and topic, love your writing style.
02:51 AM on 03/29/2011
Thank you wishfulslinkings! I'm new on here and it's always good to have encouragement! :)
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
07:42 PM on 03/28/2011
I've had friendships where if I didn't make the phone call or send the email, the number exchanged would have more than halved. It was fun when we'd get together but them making any effort seemed to be too much to ask. There is an element of "do they like me at all?" and "I didn't sign up as social secretary" that's hard to get away from. I talked about this to another friend - a real one, closer for all the width of the Pacific and half a continent between us - who said the same thing had happened to her in the past. She experimented once by not emailing or calling her "friends" for a few weeks, and heard NOTHING from them. That's the sort of point where I think, "If you don't care enough even to call once in a blue moon, then this friendship is dead in the water, isn't it?"
10:34 PM on 03/28/2011
I agree completely. I have "friends" who if I don't call/email/send them a message on facebook I will NEVER hear from them. I've come to conclusion that these people aren't friends at all, maybe just short-term acquaintances.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
11:53 PM on 03/28/2011
They sound like some people I've known for sure - and this was well before the days of communication being so much by net; it was phone or email. Friendly acquaintances, all right, but when the effort to pick up a phone is too much effort, then "friend" (in the real meaning of the word, not the Facebook meaning) doesn't seem to apply.
01:58 PM on 03/30/2011
I have a "three strikes" rule. I reach out to a friend -- especially new friends -- three times. If there is no response or reciprocation, I assume I should take the hint and quietly back off. I'll be perfectly cordial to someone who drops back into my life after a long absence or silence, but after the third reach-out, I drop any expectations that the other person thinks of the friendship in the same way that I do. This takes the pressure off, so I don't get my feelings hurt if it actually turns out that someone just isn't really that "into" me.
06:36 PM on 03/28/2011
A gift is something that is enjoyed twice. First by the giver who revels in the pleasure of giving something special and then also enjoyed by the person who receives the gift.One of life’s most basic laws is "every single act of love, kindness and generosity will multiply and return to you many times over ". The more you give the happier you will feel.It's just so disappointing how other people may have overlooked your effort at all.
02:54 AM on 03/29/2011
You probably nailed the real issue on the head-- simply appreciating what others gives is often most important! If we had friends say: "I'm awful at calling and keeping in touch-- it means the world to me that you do that. Thank you for what you give to help make sure we stay in touch... it matters to me," then we'd probably feel a lot better about what we gave!
05:22 PM on 03/28/2011
I'm the communicator in all of my relationships. Not sure why this is, maybe I'm better at it? It is really disappointing to send an email saying hello, how are you, and never get a response. Or sending a gift for a new baby and not receiving any type of confirmation that the gift was received. Months later an email may arrive or a phone message with some cryptic plea for help. I'm over it. I'm looking for 'real' friends to actually have in my life. Not pseudo people who only contact me when they need something. Birds of a feather. I'm looking for my flock or will continue on alone. Life is too short to be ignored, mistreated or used.
10:36 PM on 03/28/2011
You've said what I often feel but have never been able to put in words! Thanks.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
11:56 PM on 03/28/2011
Oh, that sounds like too many people I've known, Jester Girl! Silence for months and then it'd all be their latest drama.

I've found my best friends - not as in being physcially close, since they're inconsdierate enough to live in the US while I live in Oz :) - by the chance of getting into a writer's group. I had no idea that would happen, I joined to get critiques, lol. Deliberately trying to make new friends has always given me the willies.
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sbyvssby
Is the center so radical?
05:01 PM on 03/28/2011
This is a really great article. Way to raise the bar.