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Who's Overpaid, Teachers or the Wonks Who Write About Them?

Posted: 11/09/11 01:57 PM ET

A recent study from the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) argues that public school teachers are actually overpaid, which seems contrary to the conventional wisdom regarding educators' salaries. These "fat cat" elementary teachers with second jobs must have been doing it for fun all this time. I guess mixing it up with the 99% reminds teachers of what it was once like to be human.

Cue the understandable outrage from public school and teacher advocates: for example, Nancy Flanagan from Education Week underscores all the contingent work that makes the profession far from the 8-3 job that many accept as truth. As a former elementary teacher and current teacher educator, I am totally of the belief that teachers are worth millions in lip service and little else. That is, if salary is a true judge of one's worth.

Rather than go through the myriad reasons educators of all stripes should be paid more, I have a slightly different perspective. Let us take a look at one of the authors of the study, AEI economics scholar Andrew Briggs. Response to Briggs' report has not been purely ideological, namely that this is yet again an unoriginal and familiar castigation of the teaching profession from conservative sympathizers. The methodology of the Briggs study is questionable as well.

A recent post in the Atlantic suggests that the authors don't really understand the profession they're studying, as evident by lumping all teachers together regardless of geography and specialty to draw their conclusions. So, as an educator, I probably shouldn't be trying to write about economists, but that's just me.

Maureen Downey in her Atlanta Journal Constitution column, "Get Schooled," had a little help from graduate fellow Jordan Solomon, who attended the AEI study's little release party. With an incredibly astute eye for methodology, Solomon argues that the study is a very thinly veiled ideological treatise. The report is so methodologically flawed and humdrum in its conclusions that its only purpose could possibly be to whip up the derision of conservative governors who are looking for any excuse to make cuts to various public services, namely education.

As I said before, I have my own take on this debate. AEI's Form 990 from 2009, as reported to the Internal Revenue Service, indicates that Mr. Andrew Biggs received $140,100 in salary for his scholarly work, which is estimated at 50 hours per week. Let the record reflect that, as a public school teacher, it was not uncommon for me to work nearly 60 hours per week at roughly a third of the salary. As another curious aside, a Mr. Richard Cheney did an hour of work for AEI that same year and received $80,230 in compensation.

So here's my question: who's overpaid, the prototypical teacher or Mr. Andrew Biggs? In addition to teaching, I spent years honing my craft as a researcher. I am continually held to account for my chosen methods and my work has to go through rigorous reviews before publication. And for the most part, work from skilled education researchers doesn't receive a fraction of the audience that Mr. Briggs is receiving for his questionable scholarship. It is somehow the economists that get all the attention when it comes to research in education.

Perhaps it will thus take an economist to explain something to me: how can a market that should value expertise pay someone like Mr. Briggs so much money to do work in an area that he seems to know so little about? Last week on my own blog, I revealed that Michelle Rhee receives upwards of $50,000 for speaking engagements made payable to something called Rhee Enterprises, LLC, managed by her brother. It is apparent that folks like Briggs and Rhee who trash teachers and denigrate their profession are paid handsome sums of money for really amateurish work.

I hear the argument all the time that the market sets the rates, so Rhee will get paid for her simple ability to stew controversy and Briggs will get his six figures a year from AEI to produce easily debunked and highly redundant research on a subject familiar to him only through regression models. As the invisible right hand of the market pushes charlatans into the one percent, and into the spotlight on education reform, the left hand is giving educators a giant invisible middle finger.

 

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A recent study from the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) argues that public school teachers are actually overpaid, which seems contrary to the conventional wisdom regarding educators' salaries. The...
A recent study from the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) argues that public school teachers are actually overpaid, which seems contrary to the conventional wisdom regarding educators' salaries. The...
 
 
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12:07 AM on 12/21/2011
Are all public school teachers equally good at teaching? If yes, that's fantastic. If not, how are the better teachers rewarded differently from the worse teachers?
03:32 PM on 11/17/2011
First, there needs to be a model in place to hold all parties accountable, starting at home: Students (testing is a joke to some), Parents (parental involvment has rapidly declined in recent decades...Coincidence?), teachers, and Administration.

This argument's conclusion should not rest solely on teachers...

The children in my classes that are the highest achievers are the ones that WANT to be there. How many teenagers do you know make that choice all on their own? Most times, it comes from parents who value education.

Don't blame me for something I have no control over...I do my job, parents and the communities need to do theirs.
04:21 PM on 11/16/2011
Funny how this "Wonks" as the article calls them, would not be in the position they are in, if it wasn't for those teachers that took the time to explained math, science, english and reading!!

With out teachers there there is no future, teachers are the "factory" allows for people like Mozart, Einstein, Shakespeare, etc.. to be who they where and leave the legacy they have left behind!
02:50 AM on 11/16/2011
I want to thank you for writing this. I've read many pieces in response to the AEI study and this one is my favorite so far. You rightfully question the motives of it's authors and tear apart the credibility of the "findings" with citable information instead of just making the obvious case explaining why this study is false by describing the reality of the situation and this profession.
09:45 PM on 11/15/2011
Thank you. When I read the article I couldn't help but think, "If we're so low achieving and so vastly over compensated given the generous benefits, high salaries, and low number of contract days we work each year, why do nearly 50% of us quit the profession within five years?"
12:53 AM on 11/11/2011
I would love to pay the good teachers more. Just tell me who they are!

In the corporate world, we can easily measure the effectiveness of those who work for us. Those who measure well receive raises and advancements. Those who measure poorly receive coaching and, eventually, if there is no improvement, a pink slip.

If teachers want more pay, they need to define an objective way to measure their profession, make firing/replacing the ineffective teachers much easier, and be willing to have performance dictate pay instead of the ridiculous tenure/degree (steps and lanes) approach in use today.

Right now, good teachers are underpaid because bad teachers are overpaid, and the system has to level out.
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12:41 PM on 11/11/2011
The corporate world should NOT be held as a model or exemplar of how we reward success, seriously? How did that work out for the financial services industry and their perverse system of incentives: you succeed, you get a huge bonus, you fail, you get bailed out. Where's the logic in that? Plus, take a guy like Steve Jobs who went through many tremendous failures. If you were to "fire" a "bad teacher," there's little they could do to recover their livelihood. They'd be finished, brandished with a scarlet letter F, only to be replaced easily by another. I'd challenge you to walk around with me and see if you could find the "bad teachers." Wouldn't happen, and you can't use test scores to help you because they're a totally unreliable measure.
07:23 PM on 11/11/2011
I didnt say to use the corporate model, nor did I say to use test scores - i know neither would work with teaching. I asked you, a teacher, to explain how we reward good teachers and weed out the bad ones. Instead of answering the question, you chose to attack the validity of the question.

Are you honestly saying that ALL teachers are good teachers and worthy of continuing in the profession? Full disclosure - I have five teachers in my family and a parent who has spent 40 years as the attorney for school boards trying to fire teachers who arrive drunk, fail to grade tests, sit in their classroom reading a book instead of teaching, sexually assaulting children, etc, only to encounter fierce defensiveness from the union. Often, if the school board does manage to fire them, because the dismissal cannot go on their record, they are hired in a different district and the process repeats.

So I ask you again - how do we recognize and reward good teachers and coach or eventually terminate bad ones?
12:42 PM on 11/15/2011
Oh yeah? Then how come these private sector employees who screwed up got paid million dollar bonuses? http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2009/03/17/american-inconscionable-group/
06:23 PM on 11/15/2011
There is no disputing the investment banking compensation model is flawed. Assuming this means that the review and compensation model of every other industry is flawed is the same as looking at what happened at Penn State and assuming every college football program is protecting a pedophile. We cannot project the compensation policy short-comings of one industry to the entire private sector. Such an argument/projection suffers from fallacy of composition. Many private sector industries and companies have excellent and fair compensation models based on objective assessments of performance.

Further, saying the financial industry's compensation model is flawed doesn't mean the teacher compensation system should remain flawed. It's a similar argument to the one my 5-year-old makes "But the other kids were being bad, too!"
09:26 AM on 11/10/2011
You are aware that one of Rhee's trademark's is her desire to pay teachers more, a lot more, right? One of her legacies in DC is huge teacher salaries, that in some cases rival Mr Briggs. The idea that teachers are underpaid is, of course, ridiculous. But Rhee is no part of that, she is the opposite in fact.
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Shaun Johnson
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11:06 AM on 11/10/2011
Interesting, because I know Rhee's "trademarks" to be trashing the profession and working with states like MI, OH, and FL to eliminate their rights to bargain collectively. How'd that work out in OH, by the way? Not so good. Briggs argues that teachers are paid handsomely because of their benefits packages. Well, wouldn't eliminating bargaining undermine their benefits somehow, in turn paying them less? Additionally, can I have the name and email of one teacher in DC who rivals the salary of Mr. Briggs?
08:26 PM on 11/13/2011
It's hard to be aware of things that aren't.
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Shaun Johnson
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09:55 PM on 11/09/2011
Sure, occupy the think tanks. But do you really want to hand out at an office all day?
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09:19 PM on 11/09/2011
As someone who has aspirations to be one of those ed policy wonks, I completely agree.
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12:44 PM on 11/11/2011
I hope you're ready for some push back then, some of these wonks drink the Kool-Aid never to return. It happens to the best of us, so be forewarned.
08:20 PM on 11/09/2011
Excellent. it's time for educators to occupy think tanks.