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Shaun Johnson

Shaun Johnson

Posted: January 24, 2011 06:27 PM

A good friend and colleague who is now in Chicago first gifted me with this parable. It's been in my thoughts lately as my wife pursues her medical degree. In fact, she and I have talked about this at length, and when making comparisons between how physicians and teachers are treated, she is just as astounded.

Parallels are occasionally noted between medical training and education, especially the capstone clinical experiences present in both professions. Let us pretend that physicians of all specialties were held to similar measures of accountability and enveloped with the same kinds of discourses that we see in education reform debates. What might that look like, and how would the general public, in addition to doctors, feel about that?

It would not take a skilled social scientist to observe that, despite exceptional achievements in treating disease and diagnostic technologies, for example, the medical profession is failing. It has failed in its tasks to disseminate good information about health, quash misconceptions, fight corporations and health lobbies that keep people sick, and prevent high rates of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, particularly in low-income populations. What do we do about this? Well, I have a few proposals listed in no particular order:

  • We must begin to hold all physicians accountable, regardless of specialization, to certain quantifiable measures of health, namely cholesterol levels, blood pressure, weight, and BMI. All patients assigned to a physician must meet specific annual minimum standards of health. Bad doctors will be those who do not meet their patients' annual minimums, and they may be subject to certain penalties if the health scores of their patients do not improve in a reasonable amount of time.
  • It will be mandatory for the Department of Health and Human Services, as well as all of the major governing bodies in medicine, to set a goal for reaching universal health and well-being in the United States. That is, a target year will be identified in which every person will achieve the ideal values in cholesterol, blood pressure, and BMI. Future targets may include assessments of mental health. A specific interval of time will also be determined to assess all patients for these values. Although pharmaceuticals may be used to stabilize or improve health outcomes, the patient must not be on any medications at the time of assessment unless approved by an official of the administrative body of the national health assessments.
  • Quantifiable variables will be utilized to evaluate all practices and hospitals. All of this information will be made public. Additionally, medical schools will be evaluated based on the quantifiable health of patients in the care of their graduates. Medical schools will subsequently be ranked based on the health outcomes of their graduates' patients regardless of specialty. Given more advanced statistical models, these numbers could ultimately be used to assess the impact of pre-medical programs at the undergraduate level.
  • In certain high needs areas, such as family practice, emergency medicine, or in practices in low income areas, alternative routes to being licensed will be provided. Moreover, data will determine what skills are necessary to impart in the curriculum of such programs. For instance, if a certain community prevails in specific medical conditions over others, then time will not be wasted covering rare conditions so that alternative programs can operate expeditiously.
  • Barriers to participation will be lowered in certain instances, in the form of direct subsidies or significant tax exemptions, for the opening of small hospitals or short-term care centers by private organizations or motivated members of the community.
  • Any hospital or practice is subject to a turnaround plan if minimum health requirements are not met. Should the facility not meet those requirements of minimum annual health, the entire staff will be terminated and reconstituted with more competent practitioners. Moreover, staff may be required to enroll in continuing medical education in advanced and remedial level re-licensing courses, including basic physics, chemistry, and biology.
  • In addition to in- or out-of-network information and basic demographics, an online data warehouse will be established that will provide all health data and outcomes for every licensed physician in the United States, regardless of specialty. The individual physician's education, license information, and health outcomes of patients will be listed. Should in-network physicians be deemed unfit for local health care consumers, the Federal government, with matching funds by health providers, will offer subsidies for consumers to see other practitioners.
  • Finally, a certain percentage of any and all physicians' patients will be assigned to them, care of those who qualify will be fully covered by providers. This will ensure adequate racial, income, and overall demographic diversity of clientele. The annual minimum health outcome data of these patients will also be included in the physician's overall quality.

Did I miss any? What if we indeed held doctors and other professionals to the same bloat and condescension that we currently hold teachers? I can predict some of the responses that physicians might make: "We can't control what our patients do or eat outside of our offices to maintain minimum levels of health. Also, these variables -- BMI, cholesterol, blood pressure -- are limited and don't adequately measure a healthy person. And one other thing, you can't expect us to be evaluated based on all patients equally, regardless of family history, poverty, and other complications." As an educator, my sentiments exactly!

 

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07:47 PM on 03/05/2011
Not disagreeing w/you but the bigger standard would be with the lawyers being held to the same standards as teachers. Then we can truly have a discussion.
08:25 PM on 02/27/2011
I guess your wife should have told you that a lot of these standards already exist for physicians.
12:00 PM on 02/27/2011
Shaun--

You are missing one important piece of the puzzle and that is the requirements to become a teacher. The standards are much lower 3.0 (maybe lower 2.9 in some cases) GPA to enter into a teacher program. No GRE test required. Teachers entering the profession, many, could never become medical doctors. There is no weeding out process for educators. They are accepted, most of them into the profession. Doctors and lawyers are weeded out early on by failure to meet the high standards of testing/or course work (early on). Medical doctors (and lawyers) have what it takes (chances are most do). Not always true for teachers. I have encountered horrible teaching, teachers that rely on the prepared drills and teacher manuals because they don't have to think too much. These teachers like to complain about testing, but, really, they don't care so much. I've also encountered (on a rare occassion) teachers of an independent mind that are brilliant in the classroom. Private schools are more apt to have teachers from private schools with higher GPA's and more abilities. It doesn't sound pretty but the truth never is so neatly packaged. It's the way society is structured. We don't hold the receptionist to the same standards as the executive of the company, right? Now there is a parallel to consider.
12:38 PM on 02/28/2011
Qbrown9,
I resent your condescending tone. Do you really think that most doctors could make it in the teaching profession? Teaching takes much more than just schooling and knowledge--it takes patience, and long hours, being okay with lack of recognition, being a counselor, adaptation, having to endure harsh scrutiny on a daily basis, making connections, and many other factors.
My brother is a doctor. I know how hard he works and how rigorous his profession is, but I know that many doctors are not doctors to "help" people. He has known many doctors who are doctors for the money and prestige--not to educate the general public on their health. There are just as many "bad" doctors as there are bad teachers. Don't assume that because someone went to medical school and passed an exam to become licenced makes that person more capable or a better person than another working professional. Teachers aren't just given the job. We are held to rigorous exams and observations. We are expected to remain competent.
Medical professionals don't always have to think when they casually write a prescription after a very brief meeting with a patient. I'm pretty sure that barely listening to a patient to find out the root cause of a symptom and then prescribing medication that may not help that person, doesn't take much brilliance either.
Both the health care system and education are screwed up. Doctors and teachers work hard--and some don't. You're points are offensive not truthful.
09:05 AM on 02/27/2011
In one of my Education text books in college there was a quote which stuck w/ me. I can't remember the scientist's name who said this, but it was stated that the decision making of a teacher is equal to that of a military doctor during war. When I first started teaching my head would ache and feel fuzzy at the end of the day because of the amount of decisions I was making giving instruction, responding to unpredicted occurances, lesson planning, etc. It's gotten easier but not every day runs smoothly. Those days that do I am thankful. So many times I have read commenters to various education articles stating that before they became teachers they thought it was much easier than they found it to be. People respect the amount of work doctors put into their careers and I'm glad they do! But teachers, by the standards to which they are held and the pay they receive, are not shown the same respect.
08:23 AM on 02/13/2011
You should know that they have been holding physician to a higher standard already for a long time. First, physicians are required to get 50 continuing education credits every year to maintain their certification and license. We need to do this also because if you do not maintain your certification you can't participate with the insurance companies and get paid. They need to get these CME credits  on top of having a very busy and demanding practice.  Physicians are always learning. They have a dichotomy because they are teachers also. They require to teach their patients and many also participate in teaching the next generation of physicians. Second, Pay for Performance and ACO's (Accountable Care Organizations) are where the government and insurance companies have gone and the future of medicine. If a physician has the ability to show the quality measures then they will be paid a premium or at least at market rates, but if you are not able to show these quality measure you will get paid but discounted. Also medicare has already started to not pay for readmissions for nosocomial wound or  other iatrogenic infections. 
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Rory Ryan
11:00 PM on 02/10/2011
Doctors are not teachers. People HAVE TO pay for the education system in their community (even if they don't have children, or their children are grown, or they send their child to a private school). That's not the same as a medical practice, which won't mail you a bill if you haven't actually been there for an appointment. This is a fundamental difference when discussing why people hold teachers to a different standard then what they hold so many other professionals to.
06:45 AM on 02/11/2011
People have to pay for Medicaid and Medicare as well. If you are paying insurance premiums you are paying for those who do not have the ability to pay. Emergency rooms must take people, insurance or not, and that cost is spread to the rest of the paying world. Just because there is not a specific tax, we are still paying for it. If you spend your entire life killing yourself and live long enough to get to Medicare, everyone will pay for your care. Finally, someone paid for you, it is now your turn to pay for them. An education is necessary for a strong society. The uneducated are easily lead astray. For a good analogy read the the poem "The Bridge Builder" it is good analogy for this.
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Shelley Gordon
12:48 AM on 02/12/2011
You do not make any sense. Are you suggesting that doctors should be held to a lesser professional standard than teachers? How about lawyers, including those we all have to pay for through tax dollars i.e. prosecutors, public defenders, other government attorneys, judges, etc? What about doctors working for government agencies such as the military? How about research scientists who work for NIH, NASA, etc.
10:08 PM on 02/10/2011
The biggest point that most people seem to be missing is that whether you are a doctor, teacher, police officer, etc, you are part of a profession that is dealing with people that have minds of their own. They are not pieces of a machine that can make choices when you are not around. Demanding that that these profession make the world a better place is simply passing the blame. We are all responsible for our own health, behavior, and education. If we and our children are not trying to health, good or educated then how is that the fault of the professional trying to help you. Personal responsibility is something that we have lost in this society. I am responsible for my teaching and doing my best to reach everyone of my students, but it is their responsibility to put in the same effort as me to reach the same objective. Isn't this what the message should be? I don't think we are giving that message anymore as a community; locally, statewide or nationally.
11:36 PM on 02/10/2011
I agree - the current focus on improving teacher effectiveness is not balanced by a similar parent or family accountability. As for those in poverty, there has to be outside help as well, since teachers can only affect the 20% of time children spend in school. That bigger perspective is lost in the current reform debates.

http://TheEducatedSociety.com/what-no-education-reform-ever-addresses/
07:30 PM on 02/16/2011
20%? Figure the school year is 185 days, 6 hours a day, and kids go to school from Kindergarten through 12th grade. That's 14,460 hours.

By the time they graduate, they've been alive about 157,680 hours.

School represents a bit over 9% of their time.
03:54 AM on 02/10/2011
The point you're making is reasonable, but the argument backfires because your "what ifs" aren't crazy hypotheticals; they're reality. Karenna may come across as defensive, but don't dismiss the facts she presents. Nearly every measure of accountability you list is already in effect or being put in place in medical care. As I read your bullet points and saw that each of them represented some aspect of current health policy, I thought you were actually using these examples to say, "Wait a minute, we do hold doctors to these standards, so maybe it shouldn't be so unthinkable for teachers." My point is not that teachers should be held to all of these standards. It's that you picked the wrong thought experiment, and your argument therefore rings hollow. Health care is way ahead of education in the accountability game. This stuff isn't discourse for us, it's reality. It has been for some time. And we have had all of the reactions you mention in your last paragraph. So instead of projecting what it would be like if doctors were held to the standards people want to impose on teachers, we should ask how the lessons learned from accountability in health care can inform what we should do in education.
08:44 AM on 02/10/2011
I disagree, teachers can be punished just like doctors if they negligently harm their patients/students. And please don't tell me that health care is held accountable. We don't turn around clinics/hospitals, fire all the staff/doctors without due process, and bash doctors daily. They are highly respected professionals unlike teachers; however, they are often times bought off by drug companies, and they often times over prescribe unnecessary medication that does nothing to improve the health outcomes of patients. The power of education/information allows doctors to do what ever they want with their patients, without accountability, unless they are sued for malpractice, but at least they are covered by their insurance. Many teachers have unions to protect their interests, but they also get paid poorly.
08:15 PM on 02/24/2011
@pcmd - you're kidding, right? Many of my close friends are doctors who are spread throughout the US. They know of no state that holds doctors accountable in the manner in which you're alluding. Not one friend (doctor) is forced to take patients. Not one is fired, chastised or admonished for a patient's poor health (nor should he/she). At this point, I don't want to make this a doctor vs teacher finger-pointing exercise. It's not! At the core is that educators/public school education are under attack. Wisconsin is the current point of attack...but most certainly not the last.

P.S. By the way, health care is NOT way ahead of education in the accountability game. My doctor friends chuckled at your intended statement of fact. Perhaps you're in med school, still a bit naive to the world as it really is. If so, I can't hold that against you - I cherish idealism, especially today.
08:27 PM on 02/27/2011
I cherish idealism as well, which is why I hold this article so dear.
12:14 AM on 02/08/2011
oh, and how about if we force doctors to answer to local boards, comprised of insurance agents and aspiring politicians. medical policy should be created by people who have never worked in the field.
02:15 PM on 02/07/2011
I imagine that if a doctor spent 6 hours a day, 180 or so days a year with their patients that they would be healthier at the end.
08:20 PM on 02/24/2011
Perhaps! Smoking cigarettes is known to KILL people. However, do ALL people act accordingly? Your assumption is fallacious. Just because 1 or more educators spend 6+ hours /day (185 days /year) ensures NOTHING unless the patient/student is receptive to the instruction. To my knowledge, no one has discovered the universal key to unlock a person's head and pour in knowledge/skills.
02:20 PM on 02/06/2011
And don't forget- there are states that do not ALLOW teacher unions- like Georgia, where I teach!
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01:24 PM on 02/05/2011
You would think this comparison would make it clear enough that education's headed in the wrong direction. But I guess the truth is not our priority.
05:13 AM on 02/05/2011
Conversely, how many teachers would like to be sued for malpractice and have to take out exhorbitant teaching indemnity insurance?
06:56 PM on 02/07/2011
As a teacher I have had legal threats because the student's parents were not happy with something we were working on in class.
11:18 PM on 02/07/2011
Uh, they do. It's called paying into the union for the privilege of having legal representation should an angry kid accuse a teacher of something she or he didn't do.
08:19 PM on 02/04/2011
Don't forget--many of our 'patients' actively resist 'treatment' and are non-compliant.
07:52 PM on 02/03/2011
I also think they should start "Doctors for America", in which students (but not pre-med students, of course) fresh out of undergraduate college could take a 7-week intensive training which would prepare them to become real doctors in high-need areas. No experience necessary.
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Shaun Johnson
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09:18 PM on 02/03/2011
Absolutely. America needs you, young health care workers, to cure the future. According to Sarah Palin, that would be our CTF moment.
11:33 PM on 02/03/2011
What do you mean by "real doctors?" Equally licensed medical professionals on par with traditionally trained MD's? Why then, excepting the vastly superior training, would anyone choose to spend 4 (already very intense) year at a medical school, when they could just go to doctor camp instead?
01:35 AM on 02/06/2011
this is this point -- he is parodying the Teach for America program which rushes teachers out in the field without any extensive teacher training. the poster is being sarcastic.