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The Many Hats of Orthodox Judaism

Posted: 02/10/2013 10:35 am

Whenever we used to watch a movie, my sister and I would play a game: "Spot the Jewish Reference" would have been the game's title, had we given it one. In just about every movie, there was at least one Jewish character who loved matzah ball soup, or at least one Hasid walking in a busy street. But looking back on all these brief references -- or not so brief, if the movie involved Adam Sandler -- I realized there really is no medium to those extremes. Jews, as portrayed by Hollywood, are either purely cultural, putting a symbolic Star of David up on their Christmas trees, or exceptionally religious, to the extent that their English is tinged with a shtetl-like Yiddish accent. Never once is there a young woman wearing pants and praying on her iPhone, as I do every morning on my way to work. The Modern Orthodox Jew is not a universal icon the way a Hasid is. In fact, Modern Orthodoxy is a concept that doesn't seem to exist at all.

To the world at large, Orthodox Jew equals a streimel, long curly peyot and backwards thinking. Anything less is simply "Jewish," like gefilte fish or tiny Eastern-European bubbes. And this can't be written off as a strictly Hollywood fabrication, along with other movie-isms, like lipstick that never seems to wipe off. This is a misconception across all media. From television shows to newspaper articles of the highest caliber, Orthodoxy is presented as a homogenous group, where all women are subservient and all men are rabbis. In reality, Orthodox Judaism is a term that can apply to everyone from the girl in the pants, studying philosophy at a top university to the teenage bride in her long sleeves and long skirt, meeting her husband for the first time at the wedding. There are complicated differences between the multiple groups within the larger Orthodox denomination, making any references to the Orthodox as a whole bound to be inapplicable to all the factions.

It's not necessarily fair to assume that the average layperson, or even journalist, should be well versed in the intricacies of Jewish politics and ideologies, let alone the Orthodox complexities. But when an article is written by a Jew, as was the case with a recent article in Harvard's The Crimson, "The Hillel Problem," an article which piqued my irritation of the wider portrayal of Orthodoxy, the problem clearly goes beyond outsider ignorance. If a Jewish student at America's top university doesn't grasp the important nuances of Orthodoxy, how are we to expect that of anyone else?

In this article, Harvard student Daniel J. Solomon reflects on his recent trip to Harvard's Hillel. In the process, he stereotypes just about every form of Judaism -- including his own (Reform or Conservative, the op-ed isn't clear which) -- and says this about Orthodox Judaism: "Some have tried to draw sharp distinctions between the East Ramapo and Williamsburg crowd and the 'Modern Orthodox.' Those differences are cosmetic, not ideological." Why does he decide this to be factual? Because "[t]here's nothing modern about keeping men and women separated at prayer services, or preventing women from singing Torah. There's nothing modern about embracing strict interpretations of Jewish law. There's nothing modern about having an all-Hebrew prayer book."

Aside from the fact that every major Orthodox synagogue I've stepped into has had English-Hebrew prayer books, this paragraph highlights in its ignorance the wider population's understanding of Orthodox Judaism: that there is no spectrum. All Orthodox Jews are ultra-Orthodox. Somehow, Orthodoxy has come to be defined by its more extreme members. Like Muslims who fight to prove that not all who follow Islam wish to kill infidels, I find myself needing to show that I and my community are not the same as those Orthodox you read about in the news, those who hide their women behind barriers constructed from biblical verses and sinful temptations.

It is, perhaps, more newsworthy to make all Orthodox Jews out to be stuck in an ancient tradition, as if every religious Jew is still wearing their zaidy's zaidy's Polish garb. It may be newsworthy, but it's not accurate, and it's not sound journalism. If the media outlets in a city like New York -- where every other street has a kosher restaurant and Hasidim populate entire city blocks, where the Modern Orthodox university, Yeshiva University, is physically located and Modern Orthodoxy booms -- is unable to distinguish between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, it's difficult to expect it of anyone else. And yet the ignorance that is shown by misunderstanding the lines is shameful and should not be acceptable in any professional outlets. Not only does it reflect poorly on the author and the entire publication, but it is damaging to the Orthodox communities which are represented. If every Orthodox Jew is lumped together under the black umbrella (or streimel?) of ultra-Orthodoxy, then how is a professional Modern Orthodox businessman to be taken seriously? How will a woman like myself be understood in a larger context? And how can entire communities be recognized for their efforts to pull away from the insulation of ultra-Orthodoxy to participate in the progress of a larger community, like the nations in which they live?

Yes, it's true that in my synagogue the men and women sit separately. The men lead the prayers and "sing" the Torah. We, the Modern Orthodox (a term that itself is too wide to be easily defined, and is based more on one's own profession of belonging to the group than any other boundary), adhere to a "strict" interpretation of Jewish law. As believers in a God-given Torah, believers in rabbinic authority and tradition's importance, we see no logical reason to disregard Jewish law as ancient or outdated. And yet I would be hard-pressed to find a student at Yeshiva University, my college and the self-proclaimed flagship of Modern Orthodoxy, who would be comfortably identified as only "cosmetically" different than the Williamsburg community. In fact, it would be even more difficult, if not impossible, to find a Williamsburg Hasid who would not angrily denounce Yeshiva University as an improper Jewish institution. The differences between us may seem minute to the outsider, but to us we're as different as Catholic and Protestant.

As a journalist, I know how hard it is to fully understand any single topic, let alone entire communities of intricate ideologies, practices and politics. But reaching outside of our bubbles as individuals is what being human is all about. Until we try to understand others, there will never be able to get along as a society. That sounds extreme, but we truly get to be a more understanding society when we are a more informed society.

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    In this Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2013 photo, Ultra-Orthodox Jews gather for traditional Jewish wedding of the granddaughter of Satmar Rebbe of Williamsburg, Rabbi Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, in the Israeli town of Beit Shemesh, near Jerusalem, Israel. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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    In this photo provided by Chabad.org, Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis reflect at the grave site of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, who died in 1994, in the Queens borough of New York on Friday, Nov. 25, 2011. The rabbis were among nearly 4,000 rabbis from around the world in New York for the International Conference of Chabad-Lubavitch Emissaries, an annual event aimed at reviving Jewish awareness and practice around the world. (AP Photo/Chabad.org, Jonathan Alpeyrie)

  • Breslov Hasidim

    Ultra-Orthodox Jews of the Bratslav Hasidic sect, dance as they celebrate at Yad Mordechai, in southern Israel close to the Israel Gaza Strip Border, Thursday, Nov. 22, 2012. A cease-fire agreement between Israel and the Gaza Strip's Hamas rulers took effect Wednesday night, bringing an end to eight days of the fiercest fighting in years and possibly signaling a new era of relations between the bitter enemies. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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    A wearing a kippah sits in a bench prior to a ceremony to ordain four rabbis at the Synagogue in Cologne, western Germany, on September 13, 2012. The ordination of the four rabbis will be attended by German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle and the president of the World Jewish Congress Ronald Lauder amid a furious debate in Germany over the legality of circumcision. (PATRIK STOLLARZ/AFP/GettyImages)

  • Satmar Hasidim

    Woman looks on as Ultra Orthodox Jews belonging to the Satmar Hasidic group headed by Satmar Rebbe of Williamsburg, Rabbi Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, gather in the conservative Mea Shearim neighbourhood of Jerusalem on January 20, 2013, two days before nationwide voting for the general election gets underway on January 22. (MARCO LONGARI/AFP/Getty Images)

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  • Modern Orthodox Jews

    House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., talks with Rabbi Meir Soloveichik, director Straus Center of Torah and Western Thought at Yeshiva University, during a recess of the committee's hearing: "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion & Freedom of Conscience," Thursday, Feb. 16, 2012, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

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    Religious Jewish men dance with others, while a few hold up Torah scrolls during the celebration of Simhat Torah in Kfar Chabad, Israel, Monday, Oct. 8, 2012. Simhat Torah commemorates the end of the annual cycle of the reading of the entire Torah and the beginning of the next cycle of rereading it. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

  • Haredi Jew

    In this photo taken Tuesday, Sept. 27, 2011, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man reads <em>pashkevilim</em>, posters used to publicize news and important messages in the ultra-Orthodox community, in Jerusalem's religious Mea Shearim neighborhood. An ultra-Orthodox collector has teamed up with Israel's National Library to bring this old-fashioned form of communication into the 21st century by scanning more than 20,000 of the posters into a digital online archive. The project offers a glimpse into one of the main media used by a group trying to hold the line against the march of modernity. (AP Photo/Bernat Armangue)

  • Orthodox Jewish Settler

    An Israeli Jewish settler women leaves a polling station after casting her vote in the West Bank town of Hebron, Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2013. Israelis began trickling into polling stations Tuesday morning to cast their votes in a parliamentary election expected to return Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to office despite years of stalled peacemaking with the Palestinians and mounting economic troubles. Polls indicate about a dozen of 32 parties competing in Tuesday's election have a chance of winning seats in the 120-member parliament. Most parties fall either into the right-wing-religious or center-left camp, and surveys indicate hard-line and ultra-Orthodox Jewish parties will command a majority. (AP Photo/Bernat Armangue)

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    Jewish women pray inside the Tomb of the Patriarchs also known as the Ibrahim Mosque, a shrine holy to Muslims and Jews, in West Bank town of Hebron on Sept. 27, 2010. (Daniel Bar-On/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Breslov Hasidim

    Ultra-orthodox Jews play the drums and sing for Israeli soldiers, near Kibbutz Yad Mordechay in southern Israel, Sunday, Nov. 18, 2012. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

  • Ultra Orthodox Jews dance as they celebrate the holiday of Sukkot at a yeshiva in the Ultra Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Mea Shearim in Jerusalem, Monday, Oct. 1, 2012. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)

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    Jewish woman prays at the Western wall in Jerusalem.

 

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Whenever we used to watch a movie, my sister and I would play a game: "Spot the Jewish Reference" would have been the game's title, had we given it one. In just about every movie, there was at least o...
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09:47 AM on 03/09/2013
>"Some have tried to draw sharp distinctions between the East Ramapo and Williamsburg crowd and the 'Modern Orthodox.' Those differences are cosmetic, not ideological."

Despite your protest, this is, unfortunately, true. The Haredim have spent the past several decades commandeering your support infrastructure and intimidating the Modern Orthodox into submission, convincing you, your parents and grandparents that you've been doing it all wrong for generations. They preyed upon the collective MO insecurity about what you collectively see as your "compromise" with modernity, and as a result, all of Orthodoxy has moved sharply to the right.

The right wing MO are now Haredi in all but name. The so-called "Centrists" (a term for which I have little use, as today's "Centrist" would have been considered right wing a generation ago) I call "Haredi Lite". The only real Modern Orthodox remaining are on the leftmost fringe, and they won't last much longer. The Haredi world is self-destructing - they can longer provide for their irresponsibly growing numbers, and most refuse to educate their children beyond a third-grade level - and when they go, they'll be taking most of Orthodoxy with them. There won't be enough left wing MO remaining to sustain the subculture; there may not even be enough to provide a viable gene pool.

And the really tragic thing is that you did it to yourselves. Your allowed yourselves to be intimidated into handing over authority to the Haredim. You let in your destruction by the front door.
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11:30 PM on 02/26/2013
The Jews need someone like the pope to unify their religion. The Protestants have no central authority and have so many sects that it is impossible to count.
04:59 PM on 02/28/2013
Why do we need that, exactly? Judaism is not a "credal" religion, where everyone is defined by their specific beliefs about the divine, etc. As Jewish theologian Neil Gillman writes, [paraphrased] Judaism is more about behaving and being than believing [a uniform creed]. We are who we are. Why do we "need" to be "unified"? The whole world has lumped us all together and "unified" us plenty, thank you very much. I value very much the tradition of critical thought that Judaism has tended to encourage. Even among those who seem the most different from the societies in which they live, the ultra-Orthodox, there is a tradition of questioning. I wish there were more questioning of some of their ways of treating women and outsiders, but their status as Jews is not affected by my opinion. Unfortunately in Israel, my status as a Jew is dependent in some ways upon the judgment of the ultra-Orthodox, but that is a political issue that will hopefully work out over time.
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Your Fantasy Doesn't Create My Reality
12:29 PM on 03/07/2013
every religion actually needs someone to point out its pointlessness and move toward loosening its grip on minds and wallets.
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Daveh88
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08:01 PM on 02/26/2013
Some misconceptions in the article. First don't knock Haredi jews as "backwards". Look at Columbia University Professor Elisheva Carlebach, she is Haredi and her husband is the Head Rabbi of Novardik Yeshiva, a haredi institute in Brooklyn. Judge Schmitt of the NY Courts, is a Vishnitz Hasid who dresses the whole nine yards, educated in the hasidic school system. What about the Suchina Rebbe, he has a BA from Brooklyn College and one of the most powerful Haredi leaders in America the Novaminsk Rebbe has a MA from the University of Chicago. Rabbi Dr. Yehuda Levy is a Haredi Rabbi and a PhD in Physics. Rabbi Meisleman of the Haredi Yeshiva Toras Moshe in Jerusalem has a PhD from MIT. And these are not the exceptions. Don't preach your ignorance.

A second one is the claim about a bride meeting her groom for the first time at the wedding. Considering that that is a violation of Jewish law which requires the couple to meet before the girl consents and it requires he consent, unforced, for the wedding to be good by Jewish law. Hasidic Jews have a B'show which is two 4-5 hour meeting as their version of dating (and very ancient practice) and Haredi non-hasidic date about 10-15 times over a month-two month period (with extensive research) before getting engaged. Once again don't use false stereotypes to push an agenda, stick to facts
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MotorCityMama77
Stand up for what's right, even if you stand alone
02:40 PM on 02/25/2013
The author failed to mention the dislike (to say it nicely) or hatred (to say it truthfully) of Conservative and Reform Jews by the Orthodox. To be honest, if they would look at us as part of the fold, we would be a united 0.2 million, Instead, we are all in our separate camps of practice and observance. I will not sit behind a mechitza, will not sleep in a separate bed 1 week out of 4, will continue to lain torah, sing in public, and just try to separate me from my tallis. I will not take a back seat to any man, have as many children as physically possible, will wear pants, and do you really expect me to shave my head to put on a sheitel? The only problem with Orthodoxy is that they have doomed themselves to lives of stagnant dogma. This is NOT Judiaism.
12:45 AM on 03/01/2013
I as an Orthodox Jew should accept you and your interpretation of Judaism whether or not agree with you while at the same time you denigrate and insult my interpretation? You say that the Orthodox hate you but your post shows an extreme amount of hatred towards the Orthodox. Maybe you should practice the tolerance you want practiced towards you?
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MotorCityMama77
Stand up for what's right, even if you stand alone
11:46 AM on 03/01/2013
Maybe you should consider where my feelings originate from. I'll try to explain why I feel as I do. My ex-husband was raised traditional, and was non-practicing when I met him. I am a convert to this faith. I studied for an orthodox conversion for two years with my college rabbi. I did my ulpan year in an orthodox community and then it came time for me to go to the mikveh. Upon meeting the head of the Council of Orthodox Rabbis, he refused to complete my conversion unless I gave him a romantic session in his back office. I refused and went right down the road to the conservative shul. I finished my conversion there and vowed never to return to orthodoxy. This rabbi, BTW, was head of the Young Israel movement in Detroit. My ex-huband and I divorced because he is a criminal, embezzling funds, and an abuser beating me and my children. Once divorced he promptly became Ba'al Tshuvah to hide from his many crimes. I was called goyim by him (other orthodox men too) and the children I have with him he calls mamzerim. He left us peniless with no child support. Despite all this I gave him a GET. I asked the orthodox council overseeing this for their help. They refused. We lost our house, lived in the car, and later a shelter.
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11:47 AM on 03/01/2013
He tried to run with my children and hide them among the orthodox community in New York during parenting time. He had set up a series of safe houses in Williamsburg, Monsey, and Spring Valley to hide them. When I uncovered this and kept him from kidnapping my children, he fled the state with a warrant for his arrest, and hid in his internet-girlfriend's apartment. He changed his name and hid for a year with the aid and assiance of the orthodox community in New York. He was found by my cousin, a corerectional officer and bounty hunter, and returned to Michigan to stand trial. He was slapped on the wrist by the court and released. He went back to New York and married this woman whom he had an affair with before I was divorced. He now has two new children and has taken me to court to have his child support reduced, his spousal support eliminated, claims to be a "religious man" and can't work because he has to pray all day. He claims poverty and collects food stamps sponging off of everyone. The orthodox community refused to help me even though he is in violation of halacha on many levels. The orthodox feel it's okey dokey for Mr. Wonderful to starve his children. My children have had no contact with him in over 12 years. This, my internet friend, is the very sect of Judaism that you belong to and feel is right and just.
10:44 AM on 02/17/2013
The failure to evolve with new information is silly
11:41 AM on 02/15/2013
So if you wear one of these hats your make-believe soul will go on to a make-believe afterlife? Is that the deal?
01:27 PM on 02/22/2013
No, covering your head is respectful to god, its the ssame in islam, thats why the women and men wear head scarves
02:50 PM on 02/22/2013
Right,,,,, the make-believe god girl or guy.
03:39 AM on 03/13/2013
No, it's just showing how much better you are than the Great Unwashed. You're so Chosen, you have to show it.
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08:54 AM on 02/12/2013
Simi-

Thank you for your article. You once blogged about whether what you do is important. You again proved that it is. You wrote a beautiful and important article regarding Orthodox Judaism. Yet, there are many who can't comprehend the differences and nuamces between different approaches.

The day your blog was posted, Rabbi David Hartman passed away. He was a tremendous leader and vissionary, and was also an Orthodox Jew. In yesterday's HP, there is a blog about his life and views. While your article discusses in broad strokes the differences within Orthodox Judaism, I enocourage those who want a personal example of different approaches to Orthodox Judasim to read the article about R. Hartman.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuly-yanklowitz/rabbi-david-hartman-transformative-force-and-a-unique-legacy_b_2664233.html?utm_hp_ref=israel

In the meantime, please continue to educate people about Jews and Judaism.
08:54 PM on 02/11/2013
The media's caricature of Orthodox Jews is part of their war on religion. The most extreme members of every religion are portrayed as typical of that religion, for the purpose of discrediting religion.

I'm a highly educated engineer and lawyer who happens to be an evangelical Christian. The media of course portrays those of my faith as a bunch of stupid rednecks who chew tobacco and think the earth was created 6000 years ago.

By the way, Simi, I have tremendous admiration for your faith, and your devout expression or it. Shalom.
03:33 PM on 02/14/2013
As one Chosen Person to Another. Xenophobia is racism, found in Christian Evangelicals, Orthodox Jews, and Jihadi Muslims. It's the same Hate, the same Fear, the same Willful Misinformation, the same Idiocy.
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11:51 PM on 02/17/2013
And being a 'chosen person' is not Xenophobia? Get a life or at least some common sense.
07:26 PM on 03/01/2013
Ironically, you hurl the charge of "racism" -- a term that is based on gross generalizations -- against entire groupls of people that you've never met. 
03:40 AM on 03/13/2013
So. Two Myths make a Fact?
11:25 AM on 03/13/2013
No.  But mocking a person's religion does not make it false. 
07:17 PM on 02/11/2013
Very few contemporary writers actually "lump" all orthodox jews together; it is a contextual matter, for the most part

when discussing issues of religion, there is a recognition in the media that there are levels of observance and commitment. but when someone speaks for orthodox jewry and says something blatantly obnoxious, and no other orthodox leader stands up to challenge him, then the perception is that "midishatik nicha lei" (if your're quiet, you assent).

and certainly nobody will confuse the Treasury Secretary designate with the Gerer Rebbe; but regardless of their world views, you could see them standing next to one another in shul sometime.

So, to the outside world, as long as you step back a few feet, there's little difference
05:24 AM on 02/12/2013
Correct, the difference are fluid. Each recognizes, perforce, the expression and style of the other. It does not mean one justifies or sees as totally legitimate the ways of the other. But the common denominator is that of being part of one larger community.
06:30 AM on 02/12/2013
actually, many of the far-right view themselves as the sole possessors of "the truth" and seek to deligitimize even those within the "modern" or moderate orthodox camps.
10:07 AM on 02/12/2013
Oh my. I HAD NO IDEA i HAD AN OBLIGATION TO SPEAK OUT OR BE GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION. cOULD YOU PLEASE SEND MY YOUR LIST OF MEDIA CONTACTS SO I CAN (sorry caps) register my challenge and thus avoid being "lumped."
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Allan Richter
05:20 PM on 02/11/2013
“(W)hen an article is written by a Jew, as was the case with a recent article in Harvard's The Crimson, “The Hillel Problem",an article which piqued my irritation of the wider portrayal of Orthodoxy, the problem clearly goes beyond outsider ignorance. If a Jewish student at America's top university doesn't grasp the important nuances of Orthodoxy, how are we to expect that of anyone else?” (Lichtman)

What piques me is assimilation. That same Jewish student at America’s top university doesn’t grasp the basics of Judaism period.

“What I understand by assimilation is loss of identity. … It is a tragedy to see a great, ancient people, distinguished for its loyalty to its religion, and its devotion to its sacred Law, losing thousands everyday by the mere process of attrition. … It is a tragedy to see the descendants of those who revealed religion to the world, and who developed the greatest religious literature in existence, so little familiar with real Jewish thought that they have no other interpretation to offer of Israel’s Scriptures, Israel’s religion, and Israel’s ideals and aspirations and hopes, than those suggested by their natural opponents, slavishly following their opinions, copying their phrases, and repeating their catchwords…We are helpless spectators of the Jewish soul wasting away before our very eves“. (S. Schechter, 1906).
04:24 PM on 02/11/2013
When Lichtman criticizes the author of the Crimson article for misrepresenting the range of orthodox Judaism, I thought she was going to show that he was being factually inaccurate. And she does claim one inaccuracy, whether the prayer books are only in Hebrew.

But mostly there is a confusion about what counts as a fact. It is the opinion of Solomon (no, not that Solomon, I mean the author of the article) that the what is different between the orthodox groups, is less important than what is similar. He gives his reasons. And the article seems to accept that these reasons are accurate in the sense of pointing to real similarities. Lichtman simply disagrees about whether these things make the similarities more important than the differences.

But this is the kind of thing that by its nature is a matter of opinion. How important does gender separation factor into the thinking of the average person. I suspect Solomon is right, that to most secular Jews it factors pretty heavily. (Ironically to some Christians it may be less important).
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dbv356sc
Your Fantasy Doesn't Create My Reality
02:18 PM on 02/11/2013
I especially like the hat that resembles a furry toilet seat..that's a good one
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Vlady
Better Late
02:46 PM on 02/11/2013
You can order it online for your particular need.
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dbv356sc
Your Fantasy Doesn't Create My Reality
03:45 PM on 02/11/2013
I don't really have need for a furry toilet seat hat but thanks for the tip
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07:43 PM on 02/18/2013
Wow.. trying to be sarcastic, or perhaps just a plain old show of bigotry? .. But then, I can assume you wear a belted in the back baseball cap with the capital letters AH stencilled on the front?
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dbv356sc
Your Fantasy Doesn't Create My Reality
12:26 PM on 03/07/2013
I love to make fun of the rediculous..
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AntithiChrist
Rhymes with Grist
01:46 PM on 02/11/2013
Within the 'non-ultra-orthodox-orthodoxy' - that was fun - is it similar to how things have evolved in Christianity - where you get to ignore all the scriptural parts that depict the Heavenly Father in a less than perfectly flattering light?

Do you get to ignore the disconnects between (in your case) huge chunks of crucial history and actual mid-east history corroborated through current methods of historical investigation?

The point that your synagog still segregates men and women raises a concern that there might be a number of other outdated ideas and ideals still stubbornly promoted within your community - which begs the questions: who makes these rules, and what purpose could they possibly serve?

Finally, did you choose this religion, or did it just happen to be the one your parents practiced? Just a quick survey.
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Vlady
Better Late
02:51 PM on 02/11/2013
>>outdated ideas and ideals still stubbornly promoted within your community

I wonder what ideas and ideals promoted within your community? They're probably very progressive and advanced, are they?
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AntithiChrist
Rhymes with Grist
05:40 PM on 02/11/2013
Just the usual outdated stuff. Compassion, empathy, critical thinking. 
You?
05:49 PM on 02/11/2013
So you have a monopoly on advanced ideas. I guess when you don't have a clue about other peoples ideas its easy to make your case.
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nogods
12:41 PM on 02/11/2013
-the ancient Egyptians kept a solid and coherent documentation of their chronicles that covered the geo-political, socio-economic, military records and even covered the daily life activities in a way that left not much room for second guessing or speculation.
For Jews the story of ancient Egypt, is not as it actually occurred but through interpretations and perspectives that somehow served the interests of the story tellers.
05:26 AM on 02/12/2013
What happened to these ancient Egyptians? Are they alive today?
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nogods
02:57 PM on 02/12/2013
They are as alive as you are but they believe in different absurdities.
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bessielil
trying to organize hummingbirds
12:13 PM on 02/11/2013
Could you please explain why or how you use an iPhone to pray?
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Simi Lichtman
10:48 PM on 02/11/2013
Sure! There's an app with the Hebrew prayers on it.
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bessielil
trying to organize hummingbirds
07:02 AM on 02/12/2013
Sonofagun. There's an app for that. I should have realized.