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Romney's Uphill Battle

Posted: 10/05/2012 12:23 pm

I thought it would be helpful to give a big picture review of the state of play before we're starting to see polls with post-debate field periods.

The graph below compares two-party vote share for Obama in 2008, by state, with last night's estimates from our model-based poll averaging. Pre-debate and nationwide, Obama was performing about a percentage point below the 2008 election result, from just over 53 percent (2008) to just over 52 percent (current estimate from our model-based poll averaging). Most states appear to be swinging away from Obama by a similar amount. This small amount of swing isn't translating into many states changing hands relative to 2008. A large win for Obama in the Electoral College is the clear implication of the current polling and our modeling.

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Immediately prior to the debate, just two states appeared to be set to change hands: Indiana and North Carolina. Indiana has not looked competitive this cycle, and our model currently puts Obama on about 46 percent of the two-party vote. North Carolina has been bouncing around the 50-50 mark for months. Of all "toss-up" states this cycle, it is the state over which we have the most uncertainty. Our North Carolina estimate of Obama's share of the two-party vote currently lies just below 50 percent (but there is a 40 percent chance Obama wins the state, reflecting both how close the estimate is to 50-50 and uncertainty in the estimate).

The story in Ohio bucks the national trend. Pre-debate polling (plus our model) has Obama actually doing better than he did there in 2008; our model-based estimate of Obama's two-party vote share is currently just north of 53%, a percentage point better than the 2008 outcome. This fact underscores the difficulty faced by the Romney campaign. The pivotal role of Ohio in modern presidential elections is well-known (e.g., JFK was the last candidate to win the presidency without carrying Ohio).

For Ohio to be swinging toward Obama, against the national tide, indicates that (1) the national tide isn't big enough to deliver Romney at this point; (2) the small swing towards Romney isn't big enough in the right states. Bigger than average swings in Indiana, Missouri, Montana, Texas, Oklahoma and Utah aren't going to get the job done for Romney. Nor does it especially help Romney that blue states like Connecticut and Oregon are swinging a little harder than average; these states remain safely in the Obama column. The swing states just aren't swinging enough for Romney so as to change the Electoral College picture. Indeed, in one or two cases (most vividly, Ohio), the swing is the wrong way.

The first debate was widely scored as a win for Romney. Sure, Romney gave us a performance better than you'd expect from a candidate how is behind 4.5 points. He might have done enough to get voters to give him a second look. But the state of play in the campaign ahead of the debate was so bad for Romney, I wonder if Romney did enough.

The subject matter of the first debate -- the economy and domestic policy -- is presumably good terrain for Romney. If Romney can't move the needle after engaging Obama on those matters -- and, according to many snap polls, besting Obama -- when will he? For this reason, we'll be watching the polls very closely today and in the days ahead, as we start to pick up more polls with post-debate field periods.

 

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I thought it would be helpful to give a big picture review of the state of play before we're starting to see polls with post-debate field periods. The graph below compares two-party vote share for Ob...
I thought it would be helpful to give a big picture review of the state of play before we're starting to see polls with post-debate field periods. The graph below compares two-party vote share for Ob...
 
 
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11:48 AM on 10/06/2012
Love the graphs - thanks.
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okradingle
10:31 AM on 10/06/2012
Obama would have to throw the next two too, and even then, he'd likely win the Electoral College.
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gwal61a
09:17 AM on 10/06/2012
Isn't time for you democrat liberals to realize the things you want to do can be done on there own. The only was its possible is on the back of a conservative government that cuts spending, reduces tax rates, and just things that stimulates the economy in to growth and wealth generation, and then you guys come in and make everybody real good about themselves and save the snail. Otherwise its crashes like its doing now, you can't get blood from a stone. You can't do all that feel good stuff unless you generate some revenue, wake up! Lets go O's
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okradingle
10:33 AM on 10/06/2012
The economy was destroyed by conservative ideology. You got that backwards. Dems clean up the mess left behind by GOP excess.

Excessive wars, excessive tax cuts, free drugs for granny. Don't they have accountants?
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11:47 AM on 10/06/2012
As much as you hate to admit in Duyba was a Con. I'm not sure anyone believes there are Cons except for religious reasons.
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gwal61a
12:21 PM on 10/06/2012
The drug program is proof enough he wasnt a conservative
04:29 PM on 10/05/2012
The debate was the 1st step in dismantling O's case for reelection. There's still work to be done. over the next 32 days.
10:52 PM on 10/05/2012
Romney is a liar and changes positions as often as day changes to night. He has no core beliefs or values that he has taken from the get-go.

If you think one debate changes anything youre sadly living in a fantasy world. Romney won over undecided republicans, thats about it.
04:30 AM on 10/06/2012
I have some sad news to break to you. O has no more "core beliefs" than does R. If you're a progressive, you should know that all too well by now.
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marioninreno
12:25 AM on 10/06/2012
too bad you're not aware enough to see through Mitt. but I'll be the first o tell you...he's gonna lose!
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voteindependent
stultorum nunquam discere
03:59 PM on 10/05/2012
excellent analysis - thank you
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ConservativeIntellectual
Ignorance is a disease...I am the cure.
03:58 PM on 10/05/2012
The world is in flames around us while Obama's "lead from behind" strategy is failing dismally. Do you actually think he is going to perform any better on the foreign policy debate?
10:57 PM on 10/05/2012
I'd say his foreign policies are working nicely. He didnt start 2 wars and not pay for them. He got Osama, and yes he gave the order, not anyone in the special forces.

Israel (Bibi) tried to hardball the President and ended up groveling on his knees claiming he wasnt trying to influence the elections.

Show examples where Obama foreign policy is in error.
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ConservativeIntellectual
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08:34 AM on 10/06/2012
Libya.....if you don't believe Obama made mistakes there, then just ask the families of the 4 dead guys.
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mappy3
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12:31 AM on 10/08/2012
Nailed it !!!
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Timothy Chiacchira
10:51 AM on 10/06/2012
Lead from behind means providing support that is not a direct use of forces on the ground.. You use those terms inappropriately and for that almost did not need a response but I am feeling generous about your error.
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marty913
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03:39 PM on 10/05/2012
From the article--"nationwide, Obama was performing about a percentage point below the 2008 election result...Most states appear to be swinging away from Obama by a similar amount." By my count, there are 18 clearly descending lines (and 8 going up).

18 is not "most" of 50.
03:19 PM on 10/05/2012
The results of the debate are debatable. There is a huge disconnect between the results of winning a debate and swaying voters. It's a question of style versus substance. One can win style points and at the same time fail to sway voters. The Republicans cynically believe that the American public will buy into his constantly shifting positions. I don't think so though. The American electorate is not stupid and recognizes pandering when it hears it. Was anyone's vote swayed by the debate. I doubt it.

However, let me say that the Republican tactic of jumping from position to position, denying the truth, mis-stating the facts and outright lying will lead the country down the path of destruction.

Beat the drums of discontent. Divide and conquer. Find a scapegoat for every unhappy minority. Propagandize through lies and prejudice. Appeal to the lowest common denominator. This is how the Nazi's divided the German nation and led it into disaster. The United States has prospered through unity, not division. These Republicans who seek to lead the nation, but a nation divided, are taking us down the road to ruin.
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voteindependent
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03:59 PM on 10/05/2012
faved and fanned
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ConservativeIntellectual
Ignorance is a disease...I am the cure.
04:01 PM on 10/05/2012
Style vs. substance. Constantly shifting positions. Beating the drums of discontent. Divide and conquer. Find a scapegoat. Propagandize through lies and prejudice. Appeal to the lowest common denominator. This is how Obama got elected in 2008.
10:59 PM on 10/05/2012
Please show examples of your opinion.
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AMERIKA
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11:08 AM on 10/07/2012
The old "I'm rubber, you are glue" defense. Are you a third grade intellectual?
02:47 PM on 10/05/2012
The debate polling is interesting. Most folks say Romney won, BUT independents were more likely to vote for Obama by about 7%. WHY?

It is the fine print. During the first 15 minutes of the debate Romney described a tax policy that was different than he campaigned on , then he mentioned some kind of cap but was clueless on how much it should be. For those voters that want to know Romney's details on the budget and tax plan they were STUNNED.

Romney promised details 2 weeks ago when he was resetting his campaign again. And to find out that he does not even know what the details are really hurt his chances with thinking independents.

Simply amazing.
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Rightbrainedleftwinged
GOP Motto: If you can't beat em cheat em.
02:03 PM on 10/05/2012
The funny thing, is that I never would have predicted a year ago, it would be Obama who would have a bad debate, but see the unemployment rate go under 8 percent before an election. I would have predicted, the corporate sector would have slowed hiring, and Obama's jobs number would have been terribly, after he absolutely kicked Romney's butt in a debate. It's a big role reversal. Obama has to make sure he is as good or better as he was against Mccain in 2008 in his next two debates.
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neillevine
want to go into waterwheel business
01:56 PM on 10/05/2012
They say the best defense is a good offense. Perhaps Romney can be offensive. I suggest hitting Obama with a good one, then hitting him again. If that doesn't, work, he could try hitting him one more time, just for good measure.
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mappy3
Dog loving, political junkie.
12:29 AM on 10/08/2012
Yes, Romney is a good offensive Liar.
And that will work for him Only
in Round 1.
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neillevine
want to go into waterwheel business
02:52 AM on 10/08/2012
I see you believe in True Lies. If Romney hits Obama hard enough he can become Slap Happy. Good enough for me. No hope he will change.