Abo's Comments (113)
Hope, Change and The Long Road: One Year Later
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 15:09:45 in Politics
“You mean like environmentalists? Anti-war activists? Unions? Gay Rights? Healthcare?
Just where has he NOT disappointed and betrayed the Left? Or, is it the mainstream? The only class he really advocates for is the corporate ruling class and pays lip service to everything else. Sure, there have been some easy tinkering around the edges but no real notion of a shift . It is actually dangerous, because if he doesn't connect on an authentic level then people, especially people losing their security and standard of living, are much more vulnerable to the manufactured populism of the Right that speaks to their growing fear and channels their ANGER. That anger is real.”
Just where has he NOT disappointed and betrayed the Left? Or, is it the mainstream? The only class he really advocates for is the corporate ruling class and pays lip service to everything else. Sure, there have been some easy tinkering around the edges but no real notion of a shift . It is actually dangerous, because if he doesn't connect on an authentic level then people, especially people losing their security and standard of living, are much more vulnerable to the manufactured populism of the Right that speaks to their growing fear and channels their ANGER. That anger is real.”
Viola replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 16:00:48
“Abo's right - the anger is real, not just progressive anger, but citizen anger. The perception is widespread that Obama's policies have primarily benefited wealthy / corporate interests.
Reading commenters lists of accomplishments I come back to this: Obama's major accomplishments have come from areas where he is able to exert control. Good stuff on the Executive side (with exceptions re: certain personnel) and the diplomatic front. He's signed some good bills and defunded abstinence only programs, etc.
His problems stem from issues that involve corporate profit and congress. On the Financial side, so far anyway, the bandits call the shots. On Healthcare, he's done some token populist work, and a lot of hidden work on the corporate side. Now, we have to factor in everything that's disfunctional about Congress, but the bills have ended up bending to favor corporations, not citizens.
Obama gets some heat that should be directed towards congress, but he excites that heat because his public actions are conciliatory to the point of nausea towards Blue Dogs and Republicans, and dismissive towards Progressives. It's striking how hard the House Progressive Caucus had to work to get a meeting with him.
Meanwhile, he doesn't tell us why he cut deals with big Pharma. He tells us he's for the public option but not what form it needs to take, he leaks that he'd rather have Triggers (which we all know are bullshit), etc. What are we supposed to think? Where is the principle here? What will he”
Reading commenters lists of accomplishments I come back to this: Obama's major accomplishments have come from areas where he is able to exert control. Good stuff on the Executive side (with exceptions re: certain personnel) and the diplomatic front. He's signed some good bills and defunded abstinence only programs, etc.
His problems stem from issues that involve corporate profit and congress. On the Financial side, so far anyway, the bandits call the shots. On Healthcare, he's done some token populist work, and a lot of hidden work on the corporate side. Now, we have to factor in everything that's disfunctional about Congress, but the bills have ended up bending to favor corporations, not citizens.
Obama gets some heat that should be directed towards congress, but he excites that heat because his public actions are conciliatory to the point of nausea towards Blue Dogs and Republicans, and dismissive towards Progressives. It's striking how hard the House Progressive Caucus had to work to get a meeting with him.
Meanwhile, he doesn't tell us why he cut deals with big Pharma. He tells us he's for the public option but not what form it needs to take, he leaks that he'd rather have Triggers (which we all know are bullshit), etc. What are we supposed to think? Where is the principle here? What will he”
Hope, Change and The Long Road: One Year Later
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 13:42:59 in Politics
“Wonder who the "far left" could be?
Those who support an end to the war in Iraq and an escalation of aggression in AfPak? Those who support environmental regulation and participation in global efforts to address climate change? Those who advocate health CARE reform, preferrably medicare for all, those who endorse the participation of the US in international law? Those who oppose massive transfer of wealth to the crooks on Wall St and when polled, accept Gay marriage? Just who could those people be?
Why, it is the majority of Americans. Thanks for marginalizing us, while at the same time lecturing us that we should be pressuring Obama.”
Those who support an end to the war in Iraq and an escalation of aggression in AfPak? Those who support environmental regulation and participation in global efforts to address climate change? Those who advocate health CARE reform, preferrably medicare for all, those who endorse the participation of the US in international law? Those who oppose massive transfer of wealth to the crooks on Wall St and when polled, accept Gay marriage? Just who could those people be?
Why, it is the majority of Americans. Thanks for marginalizing us, while at the same time lecturing us that we should be pressuring Obama.”
epotruchyeahright replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 14:53:04
“Abo, nothing you list in your comment are what I'd consider "far left" ideas. They are solidly mainstream. As a progressive who is fiscally conservative, I'm wholly satisfied with what Obama's been doing the past year.
What I believe Bob is saying is that there are elements in the Democratic base who, focused on their one issue, believe the president has not done enough to undo the damage heaped onto this country by the Bush Administration. And I'm sure that President Obama realizes the amount of damage he's got to clean up. But let's face it: a lot of people who voted for Obama wanted to punch the Republicans in the face and pass all sorts of progressive legislation that would further enrage the right. But this would not serve Obama and it would not serve the country. Yes, we're pissed off; but let's not forget that there is a sizeable portion of America that did not vote for Obama. It's the right thing to do to listen to them, to incorporate their ideas when possible, and to enroll them in a shared vision. That's good politics and that's good humanity.
Do you still want to duke it out with the far right? Go for it: run for office against one of them and have at it.”
What I believe Bob is saying is that there are elements in the Democratic base who, focused on their one issue, believe the president has not done enough to undo the damage heaped onto this country by the Bush Administration. And I'm sure that President Obama realizes the amount of damage he's got to clean up. But let's face it: a lot of people who voted for Obama wanted to punch the Republicans in the face and pass all sorts of progressive legislation that would further enrage the right. But this would not serve Obama and it would not serve the country. Yes, we're pissed off; but let's not forget that there is a sizeable portion of America that did not vote for Obama. It's the right thing to do to listen to them, to incorporate their ideas when possible, and to enroll them in a shared vision. That's good politics and that's good humanity.
Do you still want to duke it out with the far right? Go for it: run for office against one of them and have at it.”
Obama's First Year: It Ain't No Crystal Staircase
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 12:15:01 in Politics
“What about all those people whose lives would be impacted for the better by Obama's policies?
You mean like the Wall Street Bansters?
Additionally Obama is more dangerous because of the unwillingness of some to recognize the deception. Their denial, their inability to confront the betrayal, keeps them clinging hope against hope, that around the next corner...around the next bend Obama will rise up and redeem himself. Meanwhile pundits will provide cover, blame his shortcomings on Progressives not pressing hard enough (often characterized as "whining" here), and accuse anyone not drinking the koolaide of having a Rightwing agenda--manufactured partisanship also helps to blind people. Very cagey strategy--but shortsighted ultimately.”
You mean like the Wall Street Bansters?
Additionally Obama is more dangerous because of the unwillingness of some to recognize the deception. Their denial, their inability to confront the betrayal, keeps them clinging hope against hope, that around the next corner...around the next bend Obama will rise up and redeem himself. Meanwhile pundits will provide cover, blame his shortcomings on Progressives not pressing hard enough (often characterized as "whining" here), and accuse anyone not drinking the koolaide of having a Rightwing agenda--manufactured partisanship also helps to blind people. Very cagey strategy--but shortsighted ultimately.”
southernsepia replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 13:28:09
“I was referring to those without access to health care that will get it if the bill passes. Those languishing in under resourced schools that will get help, those who will receieve good paying jobs through the greening of our economy.
Real people with real problems Obama is trying to help.
Why doen't that matter?”
Real people with real problems Obama is trying to help.
Why doen't that matter?”
Obama's First Year: It Ain't No Crystal Staircase
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 10:08:54 in Politics
“Which is NOT accomplished by continuing to make excuses for him.
For example, using the partisan tactic of relegating any DISSENT to realm of teabagger.
The one tactic I failed to mention-- creating a simplistic us vs them divide based on partisan allegiances that keeps people in rigid opposition despite the fact that the parties increasingly serve the same interests.
As for the snide remark below regarding the shift in tone, previously taboo? How long can you afford to ignore the growing consensus in your constituency?”
For example, using the partisan tactic of relegating any DISSENT to realm of teabagger.
The one tactic I failed to mention-- creating a simplistic us vs them divide based on partisan allegiances that keeps people in rigid opposition despite the fact that the parties increasingly serve the same interests.
As for the snide remark below regarding the shift in tone, previously taboo? How long can you afford to ignore the growing consensus in your constituency?”
Obama's First Year: It Ain't No Crystal Staircase
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 08:49:20 in Politics
“"He deserves a progressive movement that is more independent, and less obedient"
That is rich, considering the constant flood of columns by progressives, excusing, apologizing, tamping down & revising expectations, advocating waiting til just over the next hill while ignoring the mountains of betrayal we just crossed, ramping up the rhetoric of hope, rhapsodizing over tinkering as the bone thrown, gushing over the window-dressing....There is real anger down here among the rabble of all stripes & this ongoing campaign by political insiders and elites to spin it or ignore it, are part of the problem.”
That is rich, considering the constant flood of columns by progressives, excusing, apologizing, tamping down & revising expectations, advocating waiting til just over the next hill while ignoring the mountains of betrayal we just crossed, ramping up the rhetoric of hope, rhapsodizing over tinkering as the bone thrown, gushing over the window-dressing....There is real anger down here among the rabble of all stripes & this ongoing campaign by political insiders and elites to spin it or ignore it, are part of the problem.”
cheforacle replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 09:41:57
“There are just as many progressives decrying Obama and claiming he has made insufficient progress. You obviously haven't been reading on this site lately like Arianna's headliner two days ago.”
sixchair replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 09:19:26
“You make the argument for Mr. Borosage's point while defeating your own premise. A LESS obedient progressive field will hold Obama to his promises.
I smell teabags here, and talk about odedient - sheesh!”
I smell teabags here, and talk about odedient - sheesh!”
PATina replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 09:16:57
“I agree w/ you... but your comment is exactly why he (we) need a more independent progressive movement. You're right... he doesn't have it now... but it's not too late to start.”
One Year After Obama's Election: Still Smarter...Than The Alternative
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 08:21:49 in Politics
“When they pull out the "lesser-of-two-evils" line, you know they have nothing to defend.
Problem with that is Obama could be continuing every bad Bush policy--with better rhetoric, but would you even recognize it? You could always claim that the other guy is worse. In purely partisan terms, it is the fallback excuse. Talk about lowering expectations.
All these apologies and excuses accelerate as time passes and the truth becomes more difficult to obscure. How is it possible for Progressives to pressure Obama when he marginalizes and dismisses them with hostility? How is it possible for Progressives to put on the pressure, when progressives keep giving him a pass????”
Problem with that is Obama could be continuing every bad Bush policy--with better rhetoric, but would you even recognize it? You could always claim that the other guy is worse. In purely partisan terms, it is the fallback excuse. Talk about lowering expectations.
All these apologies and excuses accelerate as time passes and the truth becomes more difficult to obscure. How is it possible for Progressives to pressure Obama when he marginalizes and dismisses them with hostility? How is it possible for Progressives to put on the pressure, when progressives keep giving him a pass????”
Soulsurfer replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 08:43:57
“Spot on.”
Obama Is Timid Because Progressives Are Timid
Commented Nov 04, 2009 at 14:51:54 in Politics
“Amazing how these so-called progressives place the blame with progressives while giving Obama a pass. If Obama shouldn't be held accountable for his betrayals, his reversals, his appointments--why should the progressives bother?
You see, it starts with an honest assessment that is reinforced by political pressure--but Obama has no reason to be responsive, if the agreed upon consensus keeps on apologizing for him.
And, this is not a conservative country--that is a deliberately manufactured perception. When polled the majority of Americans want real healthCARE reform--medicare for all, they want out of Iraq, they want economic justice, but Obama has threatened the progressives, while claiming he has to pander to the BlueDogs. He has squandered the opportunity and will tumble down in no time. So, it is you, you who continue to maintain the status quo while lecturing the progressives to act. Progressives can win--Obama proved it, the congressman in CA proves it--which is why we aren't hearing anything about that, because the lie is we have to pander to the crowd Obama has surrounded himself with--even though they represent a failing worldview and lose at the polls.”
You see, it starts with an honest assessment that is reinforced by political pressure--but Obama has no reason to be responsive, if the agreed upon consensus keeps on apologizing for him.
And, this is not a conservative country--that is a deliberately manufactured perception. When polled the majority of Americans want real healthCARE reform--medicare for all, they want out of Iraq, they want economic justice, but Obama has threatened the progressives, while claiming he has to pander to the BlueDogs. He has squandered the opportunity and will tumble down in no time. So, it is you, you who continue to maintain the status quo while lecturing the progressives to act. Progressives can win--Obama proved it, the congressman in CA proves it--which is why we aren't hearing anything about that, because the lie is we have to pander to the crowd Obama has surrounded himself with--even though they represent a failing worldview and lose at the polls.”
Why Obama Won't Be Able to Reform Wall Street
Commented Sep 16, 2009 at 11:02:45 in Business
“Naive or complicit?
Depends on who his words are really targeted to. Seems like Obama is always on the campaign, never actually being president. The speculation is he must work for the funding and the votes in order to win. But what is winning if the funding negates anything worth winning and the pandering for votes becomes an endlessly hollow refrain?”
Depends on who his words are really targeted to. Seems like Obama is always on the campaign, never actually being president. The speculation is he must work for the funding and the votes in order to win. But what is winning if the funding negates anything worth winning and the pandering for votes becomes an endlessly hollow refrain?”
oscar99 replied on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:11:33
“very well stated.......he's just trying to be liked by all, rather than do the real work of president, he does'nt get it, he's not going to be like by many,and they will do everything possible to stop him country be damn, wall street has no intentions of reforming itself, nore is congress going to do the right thing, the democrats are corrupt and republicans are racist, we're in a world of hurt.”
Manchesterian replied on Sep 16, 2009 at 11:59:49
“Neither!”
The PolicySpeak Disaster for Health Care
Commented Aug 20, 2009 at 14:54:12 in Politics
“Maybe, but the issues belong to the Left.
The Democrats make all sorts of excuses from obstructionism to incrementalism. The Right just forges ahead. Problem is the Dems are compromised on the issues because their backroom allegiances prevents them from pushimg a full-throated charge. The Right has no such problem with conflict of interest. They may be lying manipulative crooks, but they don't have to hide whose side they are really on.
Framing is based on the assumption that the Democrats really want to push the issue, when in truth, they are more likely to compromise via triangulation.”
The Democrats make all sorts of excuses from obstructionism to incrementalism. The Right just forges ahead. Problem is the Dems are compromised on the issues because their backroom allegiances prevents them from pushimg a full-throated charge. The Right has no such problem with conflict of interest. They may be lying manipulative crooks, but they don't have to hide whose side they are really on.
Framing is based on the assumption that the Democrats really want to push the issue, when in truth, they are more likely to compromise via triangulation.”
The PolicySpeak Disaster for Health Care
Commented Aug 20, 2009 at 13:57:15 in Politics
“Maybe because they don't want to listen.
They already know how to win--that is how they won the election. They know what to say and how to frame it. They know what people want and what they want to hear.
The question then becomes whether they really want to do it rather than just say it.
And some people are just not willing to take that leap yet--they have to convince themselves that it is all in the way the issue is or isn't being promoted.”
They already know how to win--that is how they won the election. They know what to say and how to frame it. They know what people want and what they want to hear.
The question then becomes whether they really want to do it rather than just say it.
And some people are just not willing to take that leap yet--they have to convince themselves that it is all in the way the issue is or isn't being promoted.”
BlueTide replied on Aug 20, 2009 at 14:12:28
“They may win the elections, but the public discourse is still on conservative terms and conservatives seem more effective in getting their legislation passed than progressives.”
White House Protects Blue Dogs and Bullies Progressives
Commented Aug 20, 2009 at 07:39:57 in Politics
“More likely the Blue Dogs were a construct since the Democrats controlling all levers of government with majorities had no one to blame, so they need an obstruction to justify their sell out.
Question wheter the Blue Dogs truly represent conservative districts. My district has one and it isn't conservative at all, in fact for many years we had one of the most progressive members of the House representing us.”
Question wheter the Blue Dogs truly represent conservative districts. My district has one and it isn't conservative at all, in fact for many years we had one of the most progressive members of the House representing us.”
reedmaker replied on Aug 20, 2009 at 09:58:05
“"Democrats controlling all levers of government with majorities had no one to blame, so they need an obstruction to justify their sell out."
I'm starting to think this is the case. Liberals who keep insisting that OF COURSE Obama wants to "do the right thing" but just can't--I think they are fooling themselves. I have no idea what Obama stands for anymore.”
I'm starting to think this is the case. Liberals who keep insisting that OF COURSE Obama wants to "do the right thing" but just can't--I think they are fooling themselves. I have no idea what Obama stands for anymore.”
How Tough is Our President?
Commented Aug 20, 2009 at 07:30:50 in Politics
“If only. Too bad he seeks unity more with the far Right out to destroy him while repudiating his own progressive base and progressive majority.”
GenuineVeracity replied on Aug 20, 2009 at 12:02:05
“Yes, there was great support to elect this President from voters with 'progressive' views, but there was also significant endorsement from those who tend toward more 'conservative' ideals (black and hispanic communities, disenfranchised republicans, religious, independents). It can, therefore, be argued that the 'base' that launched Mr. Obama into the White House was actually far-ranging and diverse.
In reading the Obama autobiographies and studying his public record it is evident that here is a person who prefers to search for common ground to reach consensus. (This does not mean, however, that he is incapable of using an 'iron hand in the velvet glove' approach to secure a preferred result.) It is not surprising to see that he is trying to have a conversation with a wider audience.
The pigeon-holing of the population into ideological or political categories only serves to create deeper divisions and more entrenched points-of-view. Labels pour cold water on good faith attempts to foster serious conversation. Diplomacy is an art that cannot be judged superficially. The end game is what matters.”
In reading the Obama autobiographies and studying his public record it is evident that here is a person who prefers to search for common ground to reach consensus. (This does not mean, however, that he is incapable of using an 'iron hand in the velvet glove' approach to secure a preferred result.) It is not surprising to see that he is trying to have a conversation with a wider audience.
The pigeon-holing of the population into ideological or political categories only serves to create deeper divisions and more entrenched points-of-view. Labels pour cold water on good faith attempts to foster serious conversation. Diplomacy is an art that cannot be judged superficially. The end game is what matters.”
White House Protects Blue Dogs and Bullies Progressives
Commented Aug 19, 2009 at 14:01:03 in Politics
“Ah yes, thee, he-has-a-secret-plan-of- sophiscated-cunning-and-ingenuis-strategy excuse.”
White House Protects Blue Dogs and Bullies Progressives
Commented Aug 19, 2009 at 12:50:23 in Politics
“or pimps?”
White House Protects Blue Dogs and Bullies Progressives
Commented Aug 19, 2009 at 12:42:54 in Politics
“Wow...This is tremendously important and so little feedback. Must be too much truth for those claiming we still have to rally around O despite the fact that he won't reciprocate. Bravo for telling it like it is--you will catch hell for reporting it and shattering illusions, though.
Screw him.
Where is the hook and the trap door? Some one pull the damn curtain already!”
Screw him.
Where is the hook and the trap door? Some one pull the damn curtain already!”
kindGSL replied on Aug 19, 2009 at 14:41:22
“Well I just wrote two pithy comments which did not get posted, maybe that answers your question.”
The Unbearable Weakness of Democratic Being
Commented Aug 18, 2009 at 13:34:20 in Politics
“That's backwards. If you stand to fight they accuse you of whining--or the other one, being "too angry" Never hear the dudes carring assault riflls being characterized that way.”
The Unbearable Weakness of Democratic Being
Commented Aug 18, 2009 at 12:02:19 in Politics
“Just echoing the talking points that were all over the thread I wandered into yesterday. wink.”
The Unbearable Weakness of Democratic Being
Commented Aug 18, 2009 at 08:56:47 in Politics
“But you have to give him more time to fix things!
Obama has a secret plan, he has the Republicans right where he wants them! He will outsmart them!
If you criticize our president you are a Republican! We must stand behind our president because he is president to all Americans and you angry Leftists are spoiled babies for expecting too much. Change is incremental and they won't let him do anything. He isn't Bush, isn't that enough for you unreasonable people?”
Obama has a secret plan, he has the Republicans right where he wants them! He will outsmart them!
If you criticize our president you are a Republican! We must stand behind our president because he is president to all Americans and you angry Leftists are spoiled babies for expecting too much. Change is incremental and they won't let him do anything. He isn't Bush, isn't that enough for you unreasonable people?”
bbbear replied on Aug 18, 2009 at 17:48:50
“Yeah, dog gone it! So what if Obama governs like Bush, but promises one thing and delivers another. At lest Obama can speak in whole sentences. Besides, Obama has to pretend to cave in to republicans. It might put those 40 republican senators off guard... OOPS, I forgot about those darned Blue dog dems... Aw, but don't worry.. Obama has worked it out. The blue dogs will come around, but only when the Public Option is finally so weak it can only help the Health Extortion Racket. Hey, that's a good thing! You stupic lefties just don't get it! You see, Obama has long ago worked it all out with the repubs, so in the end the PO will be bipartisan. Blue dogs will vote to kill the filibuster and dems will pass a very weakened public option, just like Obama planned all along!... Obama will declare victory and we the sheeple can go back to munching on clover. Never mind that just over the next hill is the slaughter house. Ah, aren't we lucky! We get to serve our masters again. I mean, the Ultra Rich just loves to eat sweet,young sheeple meat...The few old ones who made it this far will soon die off, never to be replaced!”
AnotherMcIntosh replied on Aug 18, 2009 at 11:44:01
“Some people just don't understand sarcasm. Yours is going to go over the heads of some.”
What Now?
Commented Aug 18, 2009 at 07:11:43 in Politics
“better that we all have lobotomies than express a bit of justifiable anger...
I have to really question the agenda of people who frame the Progressive Left as "angry" , like the Right does,--and if they, themselves aren't angry at the unrelenting mounting betrayals posted on Huffington Post every day, one is left to wonder if anything the Bush administration did was worthy of anger.
Don't you care about your country--or are you just about images?
Get angry if it is worth it to you!”
I have to really question the agenda of people who frame the Progressive Left as "angry" , like the Right does,--and if they, themselves aren't angry at the unrelenting mounting betrayals posted on Huffington Post every day, one is left to wonder if anything the Bush administration did was worthy of anger.
Don't you care about your country--or are you just about images?
Get angry if it is worth it to you!”
What Now?
Commented Aug 18, 2009 at 07:01:15 in Politics
“...undertook a blitz of immigration enforcement without reform of civil rights violations so nasty that one professor of immigration law described the policies as "literally the worst of all worlds"?
...refused to set legally enforceable immigration detention rules covering such basics as health care and legal representation, instead relying on a flawed contractor-based monitoring system?
...pressured a member of Congress to withdraw an amendment that would have ended the military's disastrous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" regime, simply by defunding it?
...asked a federal court to dismiss a case in which the plaintiffs challenged the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, arguing to the court that heterosexual marriage is "the traditional, and universally recognized, version of marriage"?
...dramatically increased the influence of religion in government, directly violating the First Amendment, by lavishly spending federal dollars on "faith-based" programs, and giving religious groups massively increased power and access within the White House to shape policy questions?
...stood by silently, allowing climate legislation to be watered down to nothing, to include generous pollution allowances to coal utilities, and to undermine the EPA's authority to control carbon emissions?
...backed healthcare legislation that did little for the public and actually increased wasteful federal expenditures, while continuing to enrich insurance, medical, hospital and pharmaceutical corporation vampires?
Every item above actually reflects the actions of the Obama administration in just its first six months – not George Bush!”
...refused to set legally enforceable immigration detention rules covering such basics as health care and legal representation, instead relying on a flawed contractor-based monitoring system?
...pressured a member of Congress to withdraw an amendment that would have ended the military's disastrous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" regime, simply by defunding it?
...asked a federal court to dismiss a case in which the plaintiffs challenged the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, arguing to the court that heterosexual marriage is "the traditional, and universally recognized, version of marriage"?
...dramatically increased the influence of religion in government, directly violating the First Amendment, by lavishly spending federal dollars on "faith-based" programs, and giving religious groups massively increased power and access within the White House to shape policy questions?
...stood by silently, allowing climate legislation to be watered down to nothing, to include generous pollution allowances to coal utilities, and to undermine the EPA's authority to control carbon emissions?
...backed healthcare legislation that did little for the public and actually increased wasteful federal expenditures, while continuing to enrich insurance, medical, hospital and pharmaceutical corporation vampires?
Every item above actually reflects the actions of the Obama administration in just its first six months – not George Bush!”
What Now?
Commented Aug 18, 2009 at 07:00:52 in Politics
“...steered hundreds of billions of bail-out dollars to the very people who drove the country into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, required nothing of these sharks in return, and did almost nothing for ordinary Americans struggling to survive this disaster?
...opposed legislation allowing shareholders the right to have even a non-binding say on salaries, even though executives took home billions in bonuses last year while their companies were hemorrhaging money so badly they required a trillion bucks in taxpayer bail-out?
threatened Britain, America's closest ally in the world, with withdrawal of intelligence data that could prevent terrorist attacks unless the British government blocked one of its courts from accepting documented evidence of torture at Guantánamo?
...sent droves of Predator-launched missiles into Pakistan – supposedly one of America's allies – killing groups of civilians, even at weddings, thus intensifying hatred toward the United States?
...tried to shut down a charity's illegal-surveillance suit against the government on the basis of a supposed constitutionally-grounded state secrets privilege which would allow the president to kill any legal case before it is even heard?”
...opposed legislation allowing shareholders the right to have even a non-binding say on salaries, even though executives took home billions in bonuses last year while their companies were hemorrhaging money so badly they required a trillion bucks in taxpayer bail-out?
threatened Britain, America's closest ally in the world, with withdrawal of intelligence data that could prevent terrorist attacks unless the British government blocked one of its courts from accepting documented evidence of torture at Guantánamo?
...sent droves of Predator-launched missiles into Pakistan – supposedly one of America's allies – killing groups of civilians, even at weddings, thus intensifying hatred toward the United States?
...tried to shut down a charity's illegal-surveillance suit against the government on the basis of a supposed constitutionally-grounded state secrets privilege which would allow the president to kill any legal case before it is even heard?”
What Now?
Commented Aug 17, 2009 at 13:53:40 in Politics
“How come the Republicans never whine that it takes time. They go for it and they get it more often than not.
What has he fought for? Ending Iraq? He kept Bush's generals and is keeping with Bush's timeline. Closing Gitmo? The subject never comes up while he is in the courts fighting the ACLU..
What, in the time he has had, has he done?
Basically he serves the interests of the same class that Bush served.
He hasn't changed a thing.”
What has he fought for? Ending Iraq? He kept Bush's generals and is keeping with Bush's timeline. Closing Gitmo? The subject never comes up while he is in the courts fighting the ACLU..
What, in the time he has had, has he done?
Basically he serves the interests of the same class that Bush served.
He hasn't changed a thing.”
Imago replied on Aug 17, 2009 at 14:44:43
“Okay Abo, let's just take Gitmo as an example.
Obama promised to close it by January 2010. Is it January 2010 yet? Nope. So -- no broken promises there, yet.
He had momentum this last January until he got howls of hysteria from BOTH Rep's and Dem's about where the scary people would go if Gitmo closed.
In May, Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee removed the $80 million to close Gitmo from the war spending bill.
And they simultaneously announced that they would not okay any plan to close Gitmo until all of the details of the plan were worked out.
How has Obama betrayed you here?”
Obama promised to close it by January 2010. Is it January 2010 yet? Nope. So -- no broken promises there, yet.
He had momentum this last January until he got howls of hysteria from BOTH Rep's and Dem's about where the scary people would go if Gitmo closed.
In May, Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee removed the $80 million to close Gitmo from the war spending bill.
And they simultaneously announced that they would not okay any plan to close Gitmo until all of the details of the plan were worked out.
How has Obama betrayed you here?”
What Now?
Commented Aug 17, 2009 at 13:44:29 in Politics
“Except--on the issues, most of America polls progressive. So, if you don't represent the Left, you aren't representing the majority.”
What Now?
Commented Aug 17, 2009 at 13:42:51 in Politics
“And you aren't defending what he does or doesn't do--you just mindlessly, blindly support him like a school girl crush.
And where shall we start? On the environment? Clean coal? Mountaintop removal? Foreign policy? Escalation in Afghanistan? Refusal to prosecute Bush era crimes--instead his Justice Department embraces secrecy, most likely continuing Bush era policies regarding Gitmo, seeking to punish only a handful of bad apples. Occasionally he mouths the right language, but he maintains the status quo. The transfer of wealth to Wall Street, the unwillingness to reregulate Wall Street? Really, where do you want to go? The betrayal of Labor? The healthcare talking points like American are satisfied with their healthcare, the rejection of single payer, preferred by the majority, claiming it isn't the American way, the rejection of the progressive caucus?How about the build-up in military funding? Really, you tell me..
And then, we are called names or bullied for not backing him without question while at the same time told that we need to mount popular movements to support him.
Well?”
And where shall we start? On the environment? Clean coal? Mountaintop removal? Foreign policy? Escalation in Afghanistan? Refusal to prosecute Bush era crimes--instead his Justice Department embraces secrecy, most likely continuing Bush era policies regarding Gitmo, seeking to punish only a handful of bad apples. Occasionally he mouths the right language, but he maintains the status quo. The transfer of wealth to Wall Street, the unwillingness to reregulate Wall Street? Really, where do you want to go? The betrayal of Labor? The healthcare talking points like American are satisfied with their healthcare, the rejection of single payer, preferred by the majority, claiming it isn't the American way, the rejection of the progressive caucus?How about the build-up in military funding? Really, you tell me..
And then, we are called names or bullied for not backing him without question while at the same time told that we need to mount popular movements to support him.
Well?”
What Now?
Commented Aug 17, 2009 at 13:00:05 in Politics
“How are you supposed to push or pressure a politician that ignores you and then you get called a "spoiled Baby" by some party hacks that demand you stand behind my president right or wrong?
How can you push or put on populist pressure when you're not even allowed to acknowledge there is a problem?”
How can you push or put on populist pressure when you're not even allowed to acknowledge there is a problem?”


