Oct 8, 2013 at 16:42:00
“From the business's point of view, it is sustainable. They'll stay in businesses, they don't really care about who become unemployed. They have no stake in the employment or even the quality of life of the workers. They only care that they have obedient workers, and how to get obedient workers as cheaply as possible.
The only businesses that will stay in Canada are the ones that target Canadian consumers. When it comes to manufacturing of products that are purchased across the world, that's going to be done in the country where it's the cheapest to make the product. It's just how it is.”
905Matt on Oct 8, 2013 at 17:12:36
“you're right, that is just how it is... for now.i do not believe this strategy ultimately is sustainable for business or people alike.
At the core this is one of the major reasons for the state the US is in now and the general cause of the decline of the middle class.
In my opinion it is in the best interest for business to maintain a vibrant middle class. The majority of the population can be happy with that. Unfortunately I believe it is the labour portion of business that will bare the brunt of the hardship that is yet to come at the hands of the pursuit for profit. ”
Oct 8, 2013 at 15:58:49
“This is Canada, and the corporations can complain all they want. They know they can move to whatever country that serves their interests the best. Their system is sustainable because there will always be people who want something for less, and willing to look the other way to get it.
When it comes to people talking about the death of manufacturing in Canada, no one has ever proposed how to save it. Aside from perhaps subsiding it, but there's virtually no return on subsiding a dying industry. Sure some of the money gets back into the economy through the workers, but a chunk of it goes right into the company pockets and taken out of the country; making Canada all the poorer.”
905Matt on Oct 8, 2013 at 16:10:35
“I do not believe it is sustainable. Because if you move your business every time you find cheaper labour the average wage continuously goes down.
As far as a "fix";Isn't it funny how when talking about the auto sector in Ontario, Toyota rarely comes up. Their production / management / corporate system is far superior to the NA big 3. I have done a great deal of reading on TPS is it is much more than "lean manufacturing". From the top down the wage discrepancy is no where near what it is elsewhere. There is no reason a production manager should be making that much more than a line worker, if that line worker has an adequate level of responsibility. And that is what Toyota does, ensures everyone involved has adequate responsibility. Some businesses get it, but most don't and just rely on the self-serving corporate america strategies.”
“Didn't people know already? The concepts of freedom and choice were an illusion in the first place. We are controlled by those illusions, not the other way around; but at a certain point we might indeed become the masters of freedom and choice, and 'freedom and choice' might be something we truly own.”
Oct 8, 2013 at 15:20:29
“Companies don't have that responsibility, government does.
It's just a simple reality that when governments force companies to be responsible they move elsewhere.
Unless we talk about tariffs that is, but that wouldn't serve the country very well on a whole.”
905Matt on Oct 8, 2013 at 15:42:14
“you are correct.
On one hand however corporate america can't sit there and say that government is too big and complain about it's regulations (ie koch / tea party), then on the other hand abstain from responsibilities left open with a smaller government.
Almost everyone agrees governments suck at most things when there is a cost associated. But if business isn't willing to take on the responsibility of less government then the system isn't sustainable.
Besides the day the American Supreme Court decided Corporations are people too, that societal responsibility we all have should have been passed along with it.”
Oct 8, 2013 at 15:06:35
“Don't you think that's the reason why they're leaving Canada in the first place? That they decided that staying in Canada either means lower profits or going out of business altogether.
Businesses go where the money is, they don't leave countries out of 'spite'.”
905Matt on Oct 8, 2013 at 15:11:07
“I agree, but that system is broken; fair compensation is good for all.Long term sustainability isn't limited to corporate profits. Companies have a responsibility to the communities around them. Far too often that is shadowed by profit/greed.”
Oct 8, 2013 at 14:50:12
“All of those are consumer end, and none of those are incentives for people to actually do manufacturing in Canada; except maybe the last one, but there isn't exactly a huge market for that last when it comes to cars. Relatively few people can afford to buy cars used unless they take on debt in the first place.”
Oct 7, 2013 at 20:21:00
“What advantages are there to do manufacturing in Canada exactly? You know, if there's any at all.”
North of Toronto on Oct 8, 2013 at 09:23:25
“We used to have cheap energy.”
905Matt on Oct 8, 2013 at 09:11:26
“skill level; oshawa GM has consistently been rated as one of the top quality car producers in North America.
social support; Canadian social support means we can "sleep easier at night" knowing we have the support (healthcare included) and therefore are better workers.
better public education system; starts out more youths on a better path and ability to transition into the working world.
living wage; our manufacturing pays a living wage where over the long term our middle class is able to inject more money in the economy and produce a more sustainable economy. Walmart style manufacturing/business does not create a sustainable economy, it's an ever continual collapse from the bottom up.”
jamster88 on Oct 8, 2013 at 03:03:29
Jebus Lives on Oct 7, 2013 at 20:45:54
“We can bring those $1/hour jobs back from China..”
“Took awhile, but the branding of "Obamacare" has pretty much backfired utterly and completely in the GOP's face.”
LoloNiSam on Oct 6, 2013 at 03:32:36
“GOTPers are in terror of Obamacare because if it succeeds, it would be loved by 90% (just like Medicare, SS and Medicaid) of the people and would be impossible to repeal, PLUS it is stamped with the name of the black guy in the White House.”
“I'd recommend 'domestication' and 'ranching'. In the end it's all about money, and there's going to be a break-off point where raising an animal then harvesting it becomes more viable and economical than poaching.
Or we can keep on this course of 'preservation' but really without stricter punishments and enforcements preservation is just a word. In the end their habitat will be turned into a parking lot or desert (whichever comes first) and we'll only see them in zoos.”
SESZOO on Oct 4, 2013 at 21:27:10
“As much as I would not want to see the domestication of a wild animal for the purpose of harvesting ,I have to agree on this otherwise I fear we'll see the end to Rhinos very soon of any sort. I don't know much about them but there must be a way to harvest the horn with out killing the animal and in a fairly painless way .”
“It has to do with the Earth's magnetic field against solar radiation, so it has nothing to do with the ozone layer.”
gussman2000 on Oct 3, 2013 at 05:04:35
“Thank for that reply . Made me refresh my understanding of the event. Solar radiation interacting with the elements within the Earths magnetic Field. In the pic the Color is red in the Sky, Oxygen around 200 miles up radiates red due to the interaction. thanks for the heads up.”
“Reading comprehension apparently is not your strong suite.”
latxguy on Oct 3, 2013 at 02:05:35
“please go away, If you had half a brain I would be insulted but your intellect is that of a 7th grader. tell me what have you actually publish that required a science background?? Mickey mouse I assume. Tell me where and when have you actually had to use fossils and isotopes to compile a research. You are actually too funny!! lol”