“"Why is it right for our country to give amnesty to millions of people that broke laws...?" Google Nafta. Then educate yourself on geo-economic pushes and pulls of more powerful nations on weaker ones.
"Why is it right to give them a pass, while thousands wait in lines..." See above, and know that those who "wait" legally are by and large the rich and connected of their countries.
"Why is it our Duty to give them anything? " Because they are already functioning members of our communities, and we support our communities--- because we NEED our communities to function.
"What good will it do for America to grant amnesty?" A whole f*ckton of economic good. Google is your friend.
"You do know a vast majority of the money they make is sent back to Mexico...." As in more than 50%? Nope. Not on the large scale. Maybe in some families, but "most" put down roots, and their children put down even firmer ones.
"You do know that what these people want is to be Nationality X and loyal to that, but be physically located in America..." What I DO know is dozens of undocumented people in several communities, at several levels from highly intimate to acquaintance, and I do know that not one of them wants such a thing. I was going to ask how many people you know, but this statement shows me the answer.
“it's actually not illegal to simply be present in the US without "proper" paperwork. this was reaffirmed in the AZ ruling this past spring. google. Also, I don't follow the laws of this land, myself. Dogged obedience is never a virtue.”
rubbercow on Oct 3, 2013 at 09:55:13
“Actually, it is.
You should take a look at "unlawful presence".”
iuriggs6 on Oct 2, 2013 at 16:21:31
“Returning after deportation is a felony. How many drive? Work? Collect benefits? Possess fraudulent papers/ID's? The list goes on.”
“You need to go read a summary of the senate bill that was passed at a BIPARTISAN level and deals HEAVILY with the borders. I agree with this: "Without securing our borders, we will have this same problem in 20 years" and it's addressed in the senate bill that Boehner has ignored all summer. Although I would also add the need for serious social reform in mexico, too.”
WA state Con on Oct 2, 2013 at 16:26:31
“The triggers in the law are not solid and are very dependent on the whims of the DHS leadership at the time. If there was a for sure enforcement process, we'd be in business I'm sure. The bi-partisan nature of the passing law is confusing to say the least. The republicans know their voters don't want it and they know it will be political sui_cide to join the Dems on this one. However currently the Republican party is filled with RINO's who would be happy as a clam to aide the Dems in their quests, as though they were dem-lite. That will change. I am glad that we agree on the reoccuring nature of this issue, and how that isn't helpful or good for us as a country.”
“Because we are humans who have dominion OVER laws, and not vice versa. Therefore, when the laws as they are are specifically and majestically failing, we have and take that power to change them so that they DO WORK FOR US.”
Repluribusfunk on Oct 2, 2013 at 16:13:17
“But I don't want twenty million illegals to be let in ”
“thank you jay robertson for seeing past things like your party, maybe your own dogma, beliefs, echo chambers, etc (whatever it is that keeps people from seeing with their heart, too) and giving 5 minutes of thought to the REAL lives of REAL people who grew up in the exact same culture and education system as you and I.”
jay robertson on Jun 6, 2013 at 14:30:57
“sending a child "back" to a country they've never known and may well not know anyone in is nothing less than an act of terror.”
“Why am I even typing this? You're so wrong it's baffling.
1) Dreamers ARE children, DOES include children.
2) BASIC science, children adapt MUCh better than adults early, esp when it comes to language.
3) How many DREAMers do you have personal knowledge of their characteristic enough to know they exhibit not being grateful? Hmm? I'm guessing zero.
4) It is the job of congress to respond to the PEOPLE, uphold the constitution, and shepherd the nation through changing times... Protecting the citizen? From what?
Just baffling how some people manage to make it through life, I swear.”
Salud on Jun 6, 2013 at 15:08:23
“Have you ever stopped to consider the consequences of not enforcing immigration laws in favor of open borders. We are still a relatively affluent country of 317 million people with an extensive social welfare and entitlement program system in a world of seven billion mostly poor people. It is indeed just baffling how some people manage to make it through life!”
Jun 5, 2013 at 14:58:44
“It's astounding, I agree. Do I really breathe the same air with people who think children should be held in adult prisons just because they crossed the border? And do I really rub elbows with people who are such shallow thinkers that they truly believe that these KIDS are criminals? I mean, do they really think a 13 year old boy is just going to up and cross the border without a push or pull from an adult? Why comment if they have three sentences AT MOST of info in your head that is not connected with any data? Boredom? I don't get it.”
Jun 5, 2013 at 14:53:28
“Don't. There are people working tirelessly day in and day out for justice, and many of them are white majority citizens. MANY of them. Treat people individually, as you meet them, first with compassion, and only later with what they truly deserve.”
“Ah, JLC, the difference here is that those documents (that I also review before the sex ed unit starts) are presented BY THE SCHOOL/TEACHER as facts- part of teh curriculum. A song played by a fellow students as part of that student's project/presentation/etc is not necessarily supported/sponsored by the school and therefore not subject to your review.”
“Why exactly do you want children to be pledging loyalty? Do you think it means squat to them?”
bentenrai on Sep 20, 2012 at 08:00:21
“I think children should be taught to be proper guardians of their heritage, which is their country, by letting them know what their rights and duties are as citizens. But forcing the flag and recitations in school... that's definitely indoctrination. That's unamerican. We should show and salute the flag because we want to do so, not because state law says so.”
Sep 19, 2012 at 16:38:52
“There is a very marked cultural difference in the role and "place" of children in mexico that may account for this (well, not crimes and etc, which I assume are crimes of poverty. Example: the taggers, dropouts, etc where I live are poor white farmboys).
For one, the helicopter parent is not common whatsoever. Children are expected to pretty much entertain themselves (what you would interpret as running wild, but I would say is independence).
THe place of children always struck me too. For any venue, if I asked "is it appropriate for children?" I was told something along the lines of DUH. Places I would never take my child to in the US are completely open in Mexico- think fancy restaurants, etc. They don't distinguish that as much.”
justanotherbumblebee on Sep 25, 2012 at 02:11:28
“That's all relatively true. Although there is always the exceptions, most Mexican parents I know keep the family extremely close (as in children are expected to go everywhere with their parents) but at the same time, especially at home or places where the child is familiar with the surroundings, children are expected to fend for themselves.”
Sep 19, 2012 at 16:34:15
“I've never seen anything that I would call problematic, and we tend to avoid tourist areas as we visit family. But I do see a definite difference in most women except for the most urban, educated ones. The younger ones, too, seem to be leaving this cultural phenom behind.
I won't even get into what they think of American white women regarding things like bossiness, aggressiveness, and etc. And I did NOTHING to kill those stereotypes on my visits, either. Sorry US women. I'm just a b!tchy kinda girl I guess.”
Sep 19, 2012 at 16:27:45
“"more than 20 percent fewer arguments with their spouses than their white peers"
Whoa whoa whoa there. I'm sure many people will mention this is due to the cultural/religious belief that the man knows better-- not necessarily a great thing.”
SOL BE on Sep 21, 2012 at 07:06:34
“Exept their men do, because they can support their families against the fierce odds. They can protect them and at the end of a back breaking day still hold their ladies in their arms and tell them how much they love them. Our men romance the bottom of bottles at the end of the day, pick up the remote control, crank about us not looking like a twelve year old prepube boy and check out their friends girlfriends on facebook. Yeah! In that case and for so may other reasons, their men know best.”
“I DON'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE POOR. I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE SHOULD! YOU AND ME!
Now, how could we do that? We should invent a large organization that we all have a say in. Like, maybe we could vote on the leaders of it. And we should all pay a little bit to that organization so it has a budget. And we should all vote on how we want that org to spend our money. And we should put some checks and balances in it so that it doesn't get too much power and forget that it's of and for the people. And then we can trust that organization to take care of the poor.
Where could we ever find an organization like that? Oh, wait.......”
CR2B on Sep 19, 2012 at 16:22:59
“Your sorority sisters called, you're late for the car wash.”
Viktor Todorovic on Sep 19, 2012 at 16:22:56
“Excellent comment! I hate when those right wing nuts start bashing the government and proclaiming their love of freedom. But government is one of the most basic reflections of our society and how we use this freedom.”
“Very interesting concept! Thank you! Never thought of it this way- not the money NOW- but our future money. can I please keep a little more of it? please and thank you mr. billionaire?”
jonjojon on Sep 19, 2012 at 16:31:41
“HP, it's called "Compromise" something that the Republicans have never learned to do as we Independents have. Allena, TY. The only way we'll re-enforce the working force and regrow the middle class is to start putting money back into the pockets of the people who would once again be able to afford to purchase that which they produce.”
Sep 14, 2012 at 15:25:52
“serdelp, you are citing and using sociological categories/vocab, while the "rest of the people" you are talking about are using colloquial vocabulary (ie vocab of eceryday use with an accepted definition among the group). Much like when you ask someone their race, everyone knows you mean ethnicity or even culture. Chill.”
serdelp on Sep 14, 2012 at 17:22:06
“Please don't try to educate me on the meaning of "colloquial vocabulary". I find it insulting you actually think I don't know the meaning of these words. I happened to be very well educated and, believe it or not, I am very aware of the meaning of those two words. I am also aware of the way these people are speaking and what terminology they are using to describe themselves. No, you are wrong, when I ask someone what their race is, I'm not asking them what their "ethnic" background is. I am being very specific. I expect them to answer my question, are they White, Black or are they mixed. I don't think one has to be a rocket scientist to answer something that simple, but then again reading some of the comments from some of these bloggers, I can understand their confusion considering their level of understanding the English language and their educational abilities! Also for the record, please stop being so condescending, I don't need to be told to "chill"....what are you 16?”
Sep 14, 2012 at 15:23:07
“What a disgusting thing to say. Proposing the killing of a fellow human for such an idiotic reason does nothing for your argument, is unacceptable to the rest of the US population, and will NOT be stood for by this nation. Your comment is revolting and no one is giving you any props for being such an ugly, evil human. In fact, you disgust most of the people who bothered to read your drivel.”
Vicky Valentine Proud on Sep 20, 2012 at 10:18:06
“I am in no way defending Mr. Bourbon's comment, as I do not believe killing anyone iis the solution, but in countries like Iran and Afghanistan crossing their border illegally is punishable by death. No trial, no hearing, just shot right on sight and without papers. We, the US, fortunately do not subscribe to such barbaric tatics, but that will not stop the individual that lives along the border, or the hordes of many other frustrated Americans, from doing it, which is something I dread will come in the future if our government does not act now and actually do something to curb the large influx. Another example of how 'illegals', especially Americans are treated, how about those three UC Berkeley students who were picked up for supposedly crossing illegally into Iran? They were made examples by their government and held for almost two years, the woman only got off because it was discovered she had cancer. Our government did not do a single thing to bring them back here, the families had to seek assistance of other countries, and ask them for the money Iran demanded for their return. Shameful when our government will go out their way to defend the 'rights' of illegals in this country and not do a damn thing for its own citizens.”
Sep 14, 2012 at 15:19:58
“Yup, a process for the rich and well-connected. Not for the starving campesino, which is pretty much the demographic you're talking about. I brought a person here legally from Mexico. It took $30,000 USD.”
iuriggs6 on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:54:40
“I know immigrants that came from nothing. They came from families that were farmers in Brazil, tie shop worker from India and street vendors in El Salvador. Not exactly rich or well connected in any way but they cared enough about becoming a citizen the proper way they endured the process.”
rubbercow on Sep 15, 2012 at 11:12:06
“Feel free to give up all of your wealth and really get down to work with the millions of campesinos who want to come here.
You are viewing this problem from the perspective of the typical wealthy Mexican. I have spent a good deal of time in Mexico and the rich see the poor as very much of a disposable resource - it may make you feel better to think that you are fighting for justice - or whatever other morally superior projection you would like to make - but I am betting that you live in a safe community with other wealthy people.”
timesrtough on Sep 14, 2012 at 22:45:32
“Yes that is what we need...more starving people to come here.
Maybe we can work out an exchange program.
On a one for one exchange we can send one of our starving citizens to them in exchange for one of theirs.
Ours won't go and "yours" won't stop.
Sorry folks but we have just run out of the need for more starving campesinos.”