“Well I'm disappointed that no-one has suggested that the people who released the paper may in fact be looking to raise this type of reaction from people in order to elicit more anti-science and hence anti-choice sentiment. Perhaps they are saying that abortion is morally no different than killing newborns and that the next step is that neither should be allowed... a dangerous backwards step for the rights of women to have control of their bodies/lives.
Also, once the newborn is separated from the mother, in theory it's life can be progressed without her input, so there is no logic to the argument that it would need to die for any 'selfish' reasons of the parents. Philosophically, this doesn't make sense.”
sloop uk on Mar 2, 2012 at 05:16:03
“Or attempting to de-sensitise us from this in the future.
It would hardly be without precedent.”
Caffeine89 on Mar 1, 2012 at 15:49:06
“Aye, my immediate thought was the book Unwind by Neal Shusterman (sp?). Civil War was caused by pro life versus pro choice, government tried to show the ridiculousness of eahc sides extreme so gave an option of noabortion, but at age 13-18 you can "Unwind" the kids by donating their bodies, in pieces, to various people. As long as 94 percent stayed alive (kids where aware in entire procedure) they technically werent killed but parents did get to get rid of them.
Then there was Storking where as long as mom didnt get caught she could ditch the kid with random family who by law had to keep baby.
It failed and the law went into effect.
But thats all I see in this. Someone making technically ethicly valid arguement to point out the absurdity one way or another, but were taken seriously instead.”
CommonSenseinMA on Mar 1, 2012 at 14:38:12
“"Their capacities are relevantly similar." ...So YES, "If abortion is permissible, infanticide should be permissible.", the authors proceed logically to imply.
It seems that you have indeed understood why both practices set a civilized world back tin time - certainly NOT forward.”
“Why would you think this program would not be of value, educationally? People have so many issues when it comes to relationships and sex and so so many people are unhappy. Listen to some of Dan's podcasts and you'll hear people find help and often learn information to help them move forward with their issues...”
Mr Blutarski on Mar 1, 2012 at 07:33:54
“Your last word sums it up,issues,,,,,MTV GET OFF THE AIR---The Dead Kennedys.”
“Thank you, Wikipedia:
A puppet is an inanimate object or representational figure animated or manipulated by an entertainer, who is called a puppeteer. As Oscar Wilde wrote, "There are many advantages in puppets. They never argue."
I would imagine a sock puppet would be a cheap, home-made version.”
“Blaaaahahahahah....waaaahhahahahahaha!! O, that's a good one. Only in America are females soooo lost. Sorry baby cakes, you're sitting on ameican soil - you're not "global", and...."fear".....BLAAaaahahahahahah....WAAaaaaahahahahahah!!!!”
“Hahah! I know where you were at, Straw hat. I'm 12 pages into this stuff and the repetition of the shallow thinking, chest beating, head slapping and occasional eyelash-fluttering going on here is exasperating.”
StrawHat on Jun 30, 2011 at 09:27:01
“They haven't changed a note of their tune in the past forty years! :0/”
“If you don't include yourself in the class you label 'radical feminists' who are you to generalise as to what they do/don't understand?
Of course there are physical differences between men and women, but to imply that cultural and societal norms are somehow predetermined by biology and therefore inflexible is either wishful thinking for an easy answer on your part or just naive.”
“Who exactly do you think you are to name an actual woman and imply that she is somehow not a woman?”
Hutch on Jul 18, 2011 at 04:45:32
“Not where that was headed. By the way Did you contact the writers of Saturday Night Live everytime they portrayed her as a huge manlike hairy hulking imposing figure?They've probably never been around her. I have. I have my own reasons to disrespct her and obviously chose an improper way to imply them. If you were in my place you would surely feel the same way but maybe you would have had a more reasonable way to express it. (no I am NOT being sarcastic) I by no means meant to offend anyone with my personal feelings which obviously got away from me. For the record. I have no doubt that she IS a female. May be if you read it again, (SKIP that part) read the content and try to imagine the context It might not be so bad. In hind sight, I showed poor judgement which is not like me. I write hundeds of papers and articles and few times have I let my personal feelling slip in.”
Some girls don't behave according to the general societal understandings of what girls should do. And that's OK. Ditto for boys. Some humans may act according to the societal understanding of acting 'human', some may act like monkeys. Who cares?
I'm glad you like your girl and 'all her little qwirks'... I'm sure they are completely different to all my little quirks. My quirks are mine and do not directly relate to the fact that each of my cells has 2 X's, or that my genitalia is internal rather than external.
Live and let live. And open the damn door for me already.”
carolinacookie4 on Jun 30, 2011 at 14:10:32
“ANI KM!!!!! NOW HEAR THIS. YOU CAN STOP POSTING TO ME. YOU HAVE GOTTEN ME MIXED UP WITH SOMEONE ELSE. I HAVE NOT POSTED. PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!”
Joneksi77 on Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58:05
“I open doors to both women and men and always volunteer to carry groceries for the elderly lady next door. I have asked several men on dates and throughout the years I've paid for more drinks & dinners for guys than they have for me. I have asked two guys to marry me, one even said yes (I'm paying for the wedding BTW). I'm, as most women in our culture, very handy with tools, change my own car tyres and work for a living earning better than my hubby (although that's completely irrelevant).
Also, the men seem to feel unthreatened to be taking care of babies, sewing, cooking and washing the dishes. Or getting asked on dates or more...
My theory is that in the Nordic countries the women have had to work just as hard as the men to make ends meet in the 14th-20th centuries out in the fields. Due to the short summers when to grow crops they needed every able body out there, so sex discrimination wasn't really an option.
Why I'm sharing this is I'm wondering if there's something in the history of women in the States that's keeping sexism alive for so long?”
However, your last statement I'm not sure about. I wouldn't say that superiors are never interested in the viewpoints of the inferior, but I would say that even if interested, most would find it difficult to access an understanding of what it is like to be in that other person's position. It takes a lot of effort and usually time, and most prefer not to take this time.
In addition, as modern men have been born into this superior position, they've also been born into what a lot now see (the many posts here are evidence) as a post-feminist world of total equality. The reality is an inconvenient truth, and most men resent being told that by nature of their birth, raising and subsequent attitudes and practices, they are oppressors.”
Jack Beall on Jul 1, 2011 at 01:36:54
“The use of inferior and superior is a bad choice. there is no inferior sex, nor inferior race, only inferior attitudes.
on that note, I consider sweeping generalizations an inferior attitude. everywhere these things happen you will find good men and women appalled, and other good men and woman couched in ignorance.
I feel I couldn't even approach whalepeace, with her anger. there is so much in her statement that is true, but much that is equally false.
I will admit, I am not comfortable speaking outside personal experience on this issue, yet I could write days on what I have felt from woman as a man.
I can not say hear hear.
to the spirit of her post, nor the truth. ignorance is the yolk of humanity, and we are equally guilty all, in our own unique ways.
I am interested in what women go through. I could say all men, barring sociopaths and the like, are interested in what women go through. but equally the pressures of traditions and misinformation cloud that. I find most women, who have active concern about the plight of women, atrociously inaccessible, and hyper sensitive. it takes alot of inner strength to stand up against all odds, so I understand. but I mourn what it does to soul. it is not only our parents that have taught us in life, but our first friend, our first crush. I have had to grow past that. it was not easy.”
“"this is ridiculous"... who's upset? I see a lot more 'upset' people commenting on this article. In case it's escaped everyone's attention, the people who did this study are academics... academics don't generally get 'upset' and go do a study, they get curious, come up with a theory, test theory, publish paper. The end. There is no 'upset'.”
gthomp7227 on Jun 28, 2011 at 14:24:39
“Academics also are generally pinheaded people with little real-world experience or common sense.”
“Having trouble getting this... how does a man spend more money, time and effort to achieve sexual satisfaction?
And who is the creepy sample of women you're attempting to bed?! Sounds like what you're describing is someone either lazy in bed or unenthusiastic about having you as a partner. So perhaps you should find a new one? Or several? Believe me, people of both sexes can be lazy in bed. Ditto to people being emotionally selfish and superior... But, there are good, interesting, generous, fun-loving lovers out there for you - go find em.”
“Please come visit India and revise your opinion as to whether women were or could still be considered as serving as 'slaves'. People need to step outside their white upper-middle class perspectives and think globally. Or is it really just you that matters?”
edtastic on Jun 28, 2011 at 13:56:02
“What part of india are you refering too. The women who sold their daughters to wealthy families to work essentially as slaves because they could not support them? In that case men and women have been slaves throughout history.
That is not a man's wife. The issue is how do men treat his mates. If men expect women to work and the men also work this is not slavery. I will not say no man has never abused a women but that is a far cry from treating all women as slaves. Through out history men and women have shared a quality of life. When it was poor for one it was poor for the other. We are partners in creating life, families, and raising our children. Treating women well has always been a symbol of high culture. Those who did not were seen as barbaric.
White women benefited from White men keeping slaves. We need to keep that in mind. Terrible things were done to enhance the comfort of white families. The white women themselves were certainly not slaves.”