“Can the "right" and the "left" stop battling each other, please, stop allowing themselves to be distracted from the fact that our very democracy is under assault? While we're all being lied to and pitted against each other, through a media driven by corporate lies, the corporations are gleefully targeting the takeover of our sovereignty as a nation.”
OldLadyCitizen on Dec 9, 2013 at 14:46:10
“While I agree with your overall sentiment, I would state it:
Can the "right" and the "left" stop battling each other, please, stop allowing themselves to be distracted from the fact that our very constitutional republic is under assault? While we're all being lied to and pitted against each other, through a media driven by corporate and government lies, they are gleefully targeting the takeover of our sovereignty as a nation.”
No Man Is An Island on Dec 8, 2013 at 20:25:50
“You're absolutely right, AnimanLover6, and no one could have given a
stronger clarion call warning of the grave danger we face than you have!”
hokiegcc on Dec 8, 2013 at 19:49:28
“You have a point. We are being pitted against each other and lied to and there is a massive central power being formed endangering our sovereignty.”
“If people want to see the extent to which the TPP would destroy democracy, and strip people and their governments of their national sovereignty, take the time to read this article (below) about the beginning of the corporate takeover of American sovereignty. You will read about people in certain American states who have passed laws to protect themselves from toxic chemicals, only to have those laws challenged by multinational corporations as a "violation" of international trade. The TPP seeks to establish an international tribunal that will have the power to overthrow the laws of our own nation (or of anyone's, for that matter). With the TPP, our sovereignty will be gone. Just as the establishment of the EU was a dream of the banks, and globalization the dream of bankers and corporations, the TPP is the Trojan Horse that will seal the deal on the corporate takeover of governments and economies. This is Orwell's worst nightmare, people. http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/132/”
“First of all, "investors.com"? Right. Lots of assertions, but no evidence provided. Second, don't see any employers listed there. Can't see them without signing up on investors.com, which I'm not going to do. So why don't you just cut-and-paste them here? Yeah, didn't think so. Bye.”
BillCPA on Dec 7, 2013 at 22:05:44
“What are you looking at? They're all listed in the body of the article. Every one of them.”
“So true. I was visiting my brother in Raleigh and accompanied him to a Walmart (gross). While he was getting his stuff, I went to buy a treat for his dog and two cats. I couldn't find one thing that wasn't made in China. And there was no way on earth that I would risk his animals' health by giving them that garbage.”
“You weren't harsh at all. I'm grateful for the correction. I always said that the EU was the dream-child of the bankers and that it was merely their first step. In my opinion, the EU should be disbanded. The people have gotten nothing from it, but they are quickly on their way to losing their sovereignty, just as we are. As for this "trade deal," being run in secret by the corporate cartels, nobody will benefit from this but them.”
“They did PLENTY wrong. When American corporations not only abandon their own people, their own communities, their own nation, but cripple the economy--are you kidding me? Yes, everything has been corrupted through globalization. A new aristocracy has arisen. But, you know, as long as the American people can be kept busily distracted by FOX and Limbaugh, the TPP trojan horse will just sail right on it.”
“I thought it was American, but someone I thought was reliable recently told me that it is French. Thanks for the correction. A little research on my own would have prevented my error, so I'm feeling a bit embarrassed here. In any case, the French people are much more politically active, in an intelligent way, than Americans. What has happened in this nation since Bush held office (although it really started with Reagan, and the passage of NAFTA under Clinton was a monumental blunder) is beyond bizarre. Fully one-third of the American people have been completely brainwashed to think that corporations are wonderful, people who want to make a living wage are "greedy," bankers are "makers" and laborers are "takers," ad nauseum. Whereas, before, we were a nation that believed in the worker, believed in unions, believed in democracy, believed in a humane capitalism. I can't even begin to figure out how this brainwashing can be reversed.”
JMKeynes on Dec 7, 2013 at 02:03:03
“I didn't mean to sound harsh. France is trying to keep Monsanto out. They don't want industrial farming. A lot of food is still produced by traditional methods that make it distinctive and give it a premium value. The right and far right in France adopted American tactics after the Socialists won in 2012. They want to untax the rich. They gripe about anti-white racism while they make rude offensive insults to the Justice Minister who is a black woman. They lie about everything. The press is much tougher with politicians and not afraid to expose their lies. The EU insists on privileges for business and it was tried with Sarkozy for 5 years. Voters rejected that in 2012. Labor has to protect its own interests. I care about business as much as it cares about me.”
“The corporations off-shored most American manufacturing and millions of American jobs. Where are people supposed to find jobs? You can't manufacture them out of thin air. The 1% wants us to become a "service economy," with Americans reduced further and further to the level of peasants, in service to their corporate lords. We're now at the point where we have to BEG for a living wage (and even $10/hour is not a living wage). THIS is why Washington's soldiers went barefoot in the snow? For THIS??? Walmart has wiped out entire towns. Monsanto has crushed small farmers. Nestle is draining our water supply (stop buying bottled water! a foreign company is taking our water, bottling it and selling it back to us at 10 times its cost! They now have mudflats in Michigan, and the people are powerless to stop it). The right and the left need to get a clue: stop fighting each other. In so doing, we are being distracted from the theft of our nation. DEMAND that our government bring those jobs back home (Germany did it, and over 90% of German manufacturing and jobs remain in Germany). And FIGHT THE TPP!!!!”
hJTFISHMAN on Dec 7, 2013 at 01:32:08
“thank you Clintona and Hillary and NAFTA”
byoungusa on Dec 7, 2013 at 01:16:57
“They didn't do anything wrong our govt. quietly codified all this crap voer the last 30 years. And its not just the people who are powerless, Labor is useless, they won't fight, govt. is useless, they sold us out to it, Who is going to do anything about it? the IMF, World Bank and WTO call the shots.”
“And it is the responsibility of our journalists to ensure that it isn't being done "in secret," a job that they are all miserably failing. And they're failing because the media parent companies have a stake in TPP passing. Our journalists, as well s our politicians, have all been silenced. There has never been a greater threat to our democracy than the TPP. It will have the power to override our federal Congress and our state legislatures. Our public lands, our waters, our small farmers, our labor--ALL, will be at the mercy of an international tribunal. You know where it IS front-page news? In places like FORBES magazine. For obvious reasons. THIS trojan horse will spell the end of our sovereignty as a nation.”
piper26 on Dec 7, 2013 at 01:18:22
“You are absolutely right and no, the MSM won't touch this. From what I understand even Congress is being kept in the dark. The MSM is mostly corporate owned these days, which makes them beneficiaries. This could prove to be a real global nightmare and yet most folks have never heard of it.”
“And this problem is NOTHING compared to what our nation stands to lose if the TPP agreement is reached. Americans are having their sovereignty ripped from under them, and most are completely unaware of what's happening. The XL pipeline, the TPP: these are movements on the part of multinational corporations to gain access to America's land and water resources. This movement, in fact, is nothing short of an attempt by corporations to take over the world. Nestle, Monsanto, Syngenta (all foreign entities) are attempting to gut our laws. The TPP will set up an international tribunal that will have the power to overturn any trade laws we make for ourselves in our own country. Nestle (a Swiss company) wants to take control of our water supply. They've ruined Michigan, and now they're in Maine. Monsanto (a French company) is crushing small American farmers on a daily basis. While Americans are being distracted, and pitted against each other, to squabble over peanuts, the titans of "globalization" have set their sights on our democracy. I'm not kidding, people. The problem started about a decade ago, and is only going to get much, much worse: http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/132/”
JMKeynes on Dec 7, 2013 at 00:56:01
“Monsanto isn't a French company. What you're talking about is going on there though. I was there a couple of weeks ago. The movement for the rich and the multinational corporations are imposing economic and fiscal policy through the EU.
It completely ignores the choice made by voters for the Parti Socialiste and it assigns the same "austerity fits all" instead. Last Sunday there was a good size protest march in the streets of Paris led by the head of the party that's to the left of the Socialists (Parti de Gauche). It's likely France will withdraw from the EU. Working class people there speak up for themselves. Minimum wage is over $11.
Americans have gotten very passive and timid (yet they ridicule others).”
piper26 on Dec 7, 2013 at 00:46:43
“Yup I've been reading about the TPP on another site, and it is BAD news. It's all being done in secret because if the general public knew about it there would be very serious outrage.”
“You're stretching your own logic. Nobody can completely avoid participation in the exploitation of animals. Driving a car to work implicates one in that exploitation. Eating meat does make one "guilty," sorry. No matter how you try to avoid it--you're simply looking for a way to exempt yourself from willingly participating in this cruel industry. BOTH of the "logic" equations you've set out are viable. The first, because it is unviable, ecologically, to provide non-factory-farmed meat to the world's population. And the second is viable because the logic itself is unassailable. Veganism is more than a "dietary option." In fact, it may very well indeed be "THE option." And, further, I've made it very clear that meat-eating itself is cruel, but understand that some people have no other option for survival. Choosing not to eat meat does not prevent animal cruelty, but it allows one to not participate in that cruelty. And since the most determinant aspect of being human is to consciously inhabit a moral universe, the choice is logically clear here. Reality is not an all-or-nothing proposition, so one does what one has the power to do to avoid contributing to cruelty. Period.”
Jason Blevins on Dec 6, 2013 at 09:58:53
“I'm not stretching my own logic, if you've followed everything I've said about overconsumption and corporatism, it falls in line. But yes, you cannot completely remove yourself from the world - which is something I have not taken as principled a stand on as you. You do the best you can with the resources you can. The practices in factory farms (like remove beaks or tails) should count as animal abuse the same as dog fighting.
If you don't see why the logic is faulty, I don't know how else I can make it clearer. Apparently you now think (but not when you did) eating meat is cruel in itself, but understandable for some. Care to elaborate who these people may be? Those living in a desert?
I was a vegetarian for six years, I've heard your arguments before. The fact is, animals eat other animals. Being conscious of this isn't moral, it's just being sensitive.
I agree that the treatment of animals in factory farts is immoral, but that brings my argument back to the top — don't eat factory farmed meat. The overconsumption of meat is unsustainable — we should diversify our diets. Period.”
“First of all, I don't have a "high horse." Just stating the facts. You can reroute the attention onto me, if you wish (a typical tactic of meat-eaters who don't wish to face the facts), but it's not about me. Further, there isn't enough available land on the planet to raise animals "humanely" in order to satisfy the demand, even if everyone could then pay the price for it (and most couldn't, and most currently can't). And yes, I do have a problem with the unnecessary slaughter of animals. Who wouldn't? Criticizing the purchase of factory-farmed meat and dairy products is not criticizing people's "diets" (another turn of that particular tactic mentioned above). It's a criticism of the fact that people who do so actively support animal cruelty. It's just a fact. And people who take the criticism personally (thereby, once again, making their feelings, rather than the undeniable brutality against the animals, the point) need to grow up and toughen up. Even when I was a meat-eater and people told me this horrifying stuffy, I didn't take offense. That's ridiculous. The facts are what the facts are. I just had to decide whether I wanted to continue to contribute to that cruelty through my purchases. It's not rocket science.”
Jason Blevins on Dec 5, 2013 at 13:52:15
“If you purchase any corn products that are subsidized, you're still contributing to animal cruelty, by your logic, just the same as a meat eater since factory farms make us of this deflated price despite it not being an appropriate diet for many animals.
This is your logic: A. Meat-eaters eat meat + B. Factory farms practice animal cruelty = C. thus Meat Eaters practice animal cruelty. This assumes factory farms are the only farm. Again, this weakens your point.
Since you don't seem to argue the act of meat-eating is itself cruel, a more reflective logic would be: A. Meat-eaters buy factory farmed meat + B. Factory farms practice animal cruelty = C. Meat-eaters who buy factory farmed meat practice animal cruelty. This does not support a pro-vegan argument or your generalization of meat-eaters. Veganism is A dietary option to avoid factory farms, not THE option. If you said: A. Eating meat is cruel + B. it is unnecessary = meat is unnecessary. I would agree with your logic, but that's not your argument.
Eating meat does not make you guilty, but you should be educated where you eat your meat from. People want things cheap and disposable, this type of cost-cutting strain leads EVERY industry to unethical abuses to meet this type of demand (computers, oil companies, coffee, etc.). You cannot always avoid it, but being cognizant of it is essential. Choosing not to eat meat does not prevent animal cruelty, if you otherwise support this consumerist mentality.”
“I was a have-not, too. And I too paid my own way through college, mopping the floors at Pizza Hut and working in the college library. I made it just fine, too. Of course, my tuition and books cost about $1,000/year. Just how "fine" do you think either of us would have "made it" if we had had to pay today's tuition, making the minimum wage of just over $7.00. Even state universities now cost upwards of $20,000-25,000/year. I've got a pretty good idea that you're middle-aged. New world, buddy.”
“I believe that trade agreement is now defunct. And, yes, Democrats have been somewhat guilty of this same thing. We need to get the money out of politics. No corporate contributions, no lobbying, no secret meetings with CEOs. Only accountability should be to the American people.”
“No, they don't. The Lords have off-shored most of the manufacturing and jobs, imported foreign workers, and have worked really hard to gut education for American children. They now want to cut $40 billion/year in food aid to poor families, while keeping the $240 billion/year taxpayer-funded subsidies to corporations (i.e., corporate welfare). If corporations believe in the fantasy of a "free market," they, too, should be cut adrift to sink or swim on their own.”
Benjamin Gauzey on Dec 4, 2013 at 23:49:49
“I was a have-not. I had to pay my own way through college by working minimum wage jobs to pay my rent and school costs. I made it just fine. Others can do the same thing.”