“Living one's life is not FORCING it on anyone. That's like saying Spanish-speaking people are forcing us to speak Spanish or disabled people are forcing us all to use wheelchairs. You're being ridiculous.”
“It's not horrible in the right circumstances—many spec-ed classes have isolation space where mobile/verbal children will go voluntarily. It's an immense relief for them and it improves behaviour because they are not reacting to excess stimulus. Many special needs kids process things differently for us—imagine if every colour you saw translated in your brain as someone shouting at you, or if footsteps sounded like a drum next to your head, if pencil on paper was like nails on a chalkboard. You'd want to get some peace, too!
Using a cardboard box for it with a non-verbal child is outrageous, no question about that. It's not safe, we have no evidence of protocol in place for its use, no observation of the child, etc. Also, the teacher may not be using it appropriately, an aide taking the child outside might be just as useful and allow for interpersonal time. We also have no idea if a "quiet room" would be an appropriate therapy for this child, only that it is for some children.
I can only speak as a long-time volunteer with special needs kids and family member of two profoundly autistic boys. Isolation therapy can be punishment to many children but to others it is a sanity-saving respite that allows them to cope at other times. For a child experiencing stimulus as pain or other distress, it's merciful. It simply has to be applied appropriately and safely.”
SecularJoe on May 17, 2012 at 17:43:44
“Thank you for such a thoughtful post. Very helpful. F & F”
“That's really sad, looks like a psychotic or schizophrenic break. I hope she gets help. I don't know why this is in the news, it's a private health issues. Heartbreaking. On the other hand, please note, this is what usually happens when someone "loses it". The mentally ill are just sick, not generally violent.”
perlin on May 19, 2012 at 19:15:49
“You are right. Why this is in the news? It is a private health problem.”
“Why does a special needs classroom not have an appropriate isolation room? Isolation and sensory deprivation are common tools for helping spec-needs kids cope with overstimulation. SpecEd teachers are not fundamentally horrible people—yes, it was inappropriate and the teacher should be investigated but it's also the act of someone severely overwhelmed and undersupported.”
SecularJoe on May 17, 2012 at 17:06:56
“If sensory deprivation helps them with overstimulation, is it so horrible? I'd like to hear some expert opinions on this. Everyone assumes the teacher was at wits end, but maybe this was the case of effective treatment?”
“Still, how a person tips or is likely to tip should not influence my behaviour as a server or a human being. I am certain that the base cause here is racism.”
shroomtune on Apr 25, 2012 at 06:38:07
“That is unrealistic. Racism aside, if you go to a casino in Vegas and look poor, how do you think they are going to treat you compared to someone who arrives in a fancy car with expensive clothes. Our society is rife with examples of people being treated better because they are perceived in advance of providing a better payday.”
“When you're asleep in your bunk, surrounded by your peers, you should not have to be thinking about fending off advances. Do you think any soldier wants to hurt one of their comrades in arms, the people they depend on to survive? The place you should be safest is in their presence. When you go to war, you go to war with the enemy. Not with your fellow soldiers. The army would fall to pieces if they preached that.”
“Not putting yourself in the situation of what? Being in proximity to half the human race, especially ones entrusted with carrying out explicit orders necessary to the survival of the nation? The average soldier carries with them over 1500 unique skills to be deployed in various situations. Not raping people should surely be among them.”
“Let no one suggest that misogyny has left the building. How dare a women comment on football! It was magnificent, watching the internet explode in a frenzy of "Shut your w___e mouth, b___h!" because she voiced her feelings on the matter. Let us not forget our places, ladies. Back to the kitchen, and give your man the cupboard to the key where you keep your shoes.”
“The information is out there. It's audited yearly. 3% of all services (not dollars) are abortion services and those are paid for privately.
PP provides the actual doctors and the organization of health care for low income women. A mammogram is not a doctor, nor is it counselling or financial assistance. PP refers women for affordable mammograms and then takes care of them once the results are in.”
“Directing attention to a site that endangers people and their children--and, yes, originally there were all kinds of details down to what restaurants or parks the reviewers visit regularly as well as photographs of the reviewers and information about their children--is a terrible, terrible thing to do no matter what. You screwed up hugely. It was a terrible, lazy, crappy move and you should feel bad about it. You personally and everyone else remotely responsible for what appears on that page. Seriously.”
“Actually, both sides DON'T. I'm part of both sides of this issue, a writer and a reviewer. One group, the reviewers, engages in gleeful snark and the occasional public flogging of a BOOK or the actions of a particularly foolish person. That's all. Laughter and some foul language limited to very specific corners of the internet.
The other side publishes collected private information about the reviewers and vaguely insists that they be "stopped" along with defaming their characters and exposing their children. This other side also equates harsh words with terrorism, gang violence, and mob behaviour--their supporters have even suggested prosecution of people who negatively review books. Seriously.
Please stop falsely equating these two sets of actions. There is no equivalency at all.”
"It isn't so much the individual bully reviews, which are bad enough. It's that they form gangs and roam through GR like rabid animals, mocking, harassing, terrorizing, and humiliating authors. They do it for amusement. They're like Hell's Angels without the Toys for Tots Christmas drive... For FUN, they psychologically torture and harass people."
How can you even do this on a website? Roam like rabid animals? Goodreads works by you putting a book into your list and typing in a review. There's zero roaming or foaming. Really.
No author is forced to read reviews, stay on Goodreads, accept comments on their blog on Goodreads, etc. No author is being mailed, phoned, stalked, outed or otherwise terrorized by reviewers. This is the most absurd hyperbole I've ever seen, and that includes Sarah Palin saying she can see Russia from her house!
If you can endorse the above quote with a straight face, chances are your reality is distorted enough that your writing is deserving of excoriation.”
KarLyn P on Jul 20, 2012 at 15:04:20
“"It's that they form gangs and roam through GR like rabid animals, mocking, harassing, terrorizing, and humiliating authors."
Agree, that is pure crap. The same thing that brought so many people to this article today is the same method used on GR -- because it went viral. I learned about this on Twitter. I imagine it is posted elsewhere by now, too. This is no different then what happens on GR. When an author starts a public rant, she's going to draw attention to herself, and not in a good way! Those who believe GR has formed gangs are likely inept about social media and how quickly any news of interest can spread. Authors who understand this are smart enough not to respond to negative reviews.”
“This is ludicrous. This isn't even vaguely about BOOKS. It's about people being terrible people. Writing a bad review in your own space? Not terrible. Telling the world where they can find people you've deemed as "needing to be STOPPED", what those people look like, what their habits are? Terrible.
You know how you stop people from having opinions? There's one way. If you're promoting that site, you're promoting an environment that makes it acceptable to terrorise and silence people who have done nothing more than think and speak. Congrats, HuffPoBooks, you've just jumped the shark and contributed to the endangerment of a group of women--a little misogyny to go with the rest of your fail.”
“Given that even to cut an adult's hair without permission can be prosecuted as an assault—even a hate crime—it seems ludicrous to suggest that there is anything acceptable as PERMANENTLY altering the body of an infant in any way. Circumcision IS mutilation, the unnecessary and permanent alteration of another's body without their consent.
If children cannot be tattooed, why can they be circumcised? Tattooing, piercing, and scarification are sacred rites in some cultures, yet not they would never be permitted on children under Western law. To modify the body of a child is simply not in the common good.”
human person on Jul 7, 2012 at 19:02:21
The term "mutilation" describes ... An injury that causes disfigurement or that deprives you of a limb or other important body part.
Mutilation exists separately from whether is happened with consent.”
“How on earth is that an ad hominem, unless you're ashamed of being an MRA?
Holding a person who is mentally incompetent to the same standards as someone who is competent is not right. That's all that's happening here. ”
HagueAbductions on Jun 8, 2012 at 14:43:47
“I never said I was an MRA. Indeed, what I said was "men have all the rights they need."
See how that works? You can pretend you weren't making ad hominem arguments directed at the source, rather than substance, of the comment, and I can pretend to not support the rights of men.
Next I suppose you'll tell me that all women who commit crimes are "not mentally competent" and you are not an apologist for female criminals. Maybe we can even find some pseudo-professional to diagnose you with some other syndrome that absolves you from responsibility for the future children who are murdered by your approving, and justifying, the current lack of consequences for their killers and correlary lack of deterrence. Perpetual Feminine Innocence Syndrome perhaps?
Here's a documentary of another female killer in Canada who, when released and coddled by the criminal justice system after killing her ex-boyfriend, went on to kill his son.