“ I watch CNN and FOX thank you :) What lies did Ryan tell? ”
Duane7 on Oct 12, 2012 at 15:22:55
“7) “You see, if you reform these programs for my generation, people 54 and below, you can guarantee they don’t change for people in or near retirement.” Here is how the Romney/Ryan Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) “premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.
8) “Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare.” Ryan is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of Medicare beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, cutting waste fraud and abuse, and eliminating inefficiencies in the system. Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.”
Duane7 on Oct 12, 2012 at 15:17:33
“4) “The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups.” Multiple reviews, including an independent review of all Department Of Energy loan programs by Herb Allison –- finance chair for McCain for President 2008 –- have found no “pork” in the stimulus’ funding of green projects, concluding that the loans were not steered to friends or family, as Ryan claims.
5) “Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?” As PolitiFact has pointed out, the money for electric cars in Finland did not come from the stimulus. Rather, it originated with the Energy Department’s Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program, which predated the Obama administration. The claim about “windmills in China” is also inaccurate.
6) “When they see us putting – when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and our allies in Israel, that gives them encouragement.” The Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, told CNN, “President Obama is doing … more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security].””
Duane7 on Oct 12, 2012 at 15:16:10
“1) “It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that [the Libya attack] was a terrorist attack.” Obama used the word “terrorism” to describe the killing of Americans the very next day at the Rose Garden. “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement on September 12.
2) “The administration was blocking us every step of the way. Only because we had strong bipartisan support for these tough [Iran] sanctions were we able to overrule their objections and put them in spite of the administration.” Even the Israeli President has effusively praised President Obama’s leadership on getting American and international sanctions on Iran, which have significantly slowed Iran’s progress.
3) “Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts.” [T]he possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is — and historically has been — greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy way to ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.”
“Joe was lying and constantly interrupting. What debate did you watch?”
Duane7 on Oct 12, 2012 at 15:33:16
“11) “This [Medicare premium support] plan that’s bipartisan. It’s a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon.” Wyden not only voted against Ryan’s budget, he also called the idea that he supported it “nonsense.”
12) “Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
13) “[Unemployment is rising] all around America.” In August, the unemployment rate dropped from a year before in 325 of 372 metro areas surveyed by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.”
Duane7 on Oct 12, 2012 at 15:31:36
“9) “And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.
10) “7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. That’s a $3,200 benefit cut.” Enrollment is actually projected to increase by 11 percent in Medicare Advantage (MA) in 2013. Since the Affordable Care Act was enacted in 2010, Medicare Advantage premiums have decreased an average of 10 percent and enrollment in these plans has increased 28 percent.”
Duane7 on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:20:14
“He copied Mitt's play book and the attack mode. And you will find that the fact checkers are saying Ryan told 24 lies during the debate. Try watching another news station.”
“So by screaming and interrupting Ryan constantly, you people come to the conclusion that Biden won?”
slickbottom on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:30:58
“No. Calling Ryan out on his lying, distortions and his total lake of knowledge on the issues.”
madcowfj on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:19:11
“He won due to the overwhelming number of times he disproved Ryan on every single subject. Economy Ryan used his "math" and Biden said 1+1 is not 11 which Ryan likes to think...Stimulus Ryan took....defense Ryan has no clue because he is not in the trenches actually doing things that help unlike Biden who was not allowed to probably half of what is actually going on in the area anyways due to it being classified.”
HoneyPie on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:14:52
“Seemed to work for Romney.”
eLucida on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:14:14
“No, by calling out Lyin' Ryan's lies.”
Keepsake on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:13:53
“No one was screaming. Biden came with facts, Ryan unfortunately was stopped in his tracks when he found out his lies were not going to be tolerated.”
mamasilverhair on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:12:41
“better a VP who does it than a president...don't you think? No you don't do you?
purplejesus on Oct 12, 2012 at 13:12:03
“for calling Ryan out on his lies and misinformation? Yes”
“ And that's not a lot? The limit was two minutes..”
Nonpartay on Oct 4, 2012 at 18:26:15
“And he didn't go around interrupting the other two all the time like Rmoney did. He was polite and told the truth. Rmoney was rude and told approximately one lie a minute. And no, four minutes are not a lot. Percentage-wise, it's quite small, and President Obama showed a whole lot more respect for the rules than Rmoney did, as well as respect for the other participants. Rmoney called the President of the United States a liar and a boy. This completely disqualifies him from the presidency. He has no clue about sensitive race relations in this country, he has no concept of the virtue of honesty, and we can't trust him.”
“I think they were both rather respectful, But Romney did a wonderful job at getting his point across! I timed Obama's side of the debate..and he got well over two minutes each time and the moderator barely said anything. Romney usually stopped at exactly two minutes, but a few seconds over and the moderator was all over his back, how was this fair? But I found this hillarious!”
Pastdemocrat on Oct 4, 2012 at 00:21:17
runequester on Oct 4, 2012 at 00:21:01
“Naw, the moderator said one or two thing to Romney, and then gave up. Romney was interrupting everybody, but he did so effectively.”
Nonpartay on Oct 4, 2012 at 00:20:49
“President Obama only spoke 4 minutes longer than Rmoney.”