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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 19, 2009 at 20:31:00 in Living

“I'm not clear how clean drinking water prevents, say, polio. Can you expand please?”
Top Autism Panel Backs Research Objectives Mentioning Vaccines -- Dueling Press Releases Ensue

Top Autism Panel Backs Research Objectives Mentioning Vaccines -- Dueling Press Releases Ensue

Commented Nov 18, 2009 at 20:23:55 in Living

“Wow Craig, what a well-informed comment! Your grasp of statistics is second to none!”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 21:06:51 in Living

“Arguing with anti-vaccine advocates is like running in quicksand. There is always one more cherry picked study, one more anecdote, one more double-bank shot conspiracy. They deserve crickets. Millions of them.”

Plurabelle06 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 22:29:41

“I know. I suggested a woman get her 2 young kids vaccinated for H1N1 since she works in a hospital and takes them there often. Since the children are frequently ill and in my home, I thought this would be a safety issue for all of us. She says vaccines can cause autism, so she doesn't vaccinate. Both her kids got H1N1, ran fevers of 105 (one is only 6 months old) and her son shows hallmark symptoms of autism even though he never got a vaccine (he's showed symptoms since he was 6 months old), so obviously the vaccines weren't the cause.”

Tuned IN replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 22:25:00

“Safe vaccination is not the same as anti-vaccination.

By the way .. other than name calling and anecdotal bovine excrement, what facts have you brought to the table... links...re­sources.. etc... I have provided you with studies and workshops hosted by the CDC, FDA, and the Vaccine manufactures which all come to the conclusion that they do not know!!!

Another point: If ASDs have always been prevalent (regardless of reclassification) where are all these people??? How come they weren't in class or in the special ed classroom back in 1964 1972 1977 1982 1987 1993...”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 21:02:04 in Living

“Mercury binds to testosterone all right - when combined in hot benzene. That's what the Geiers are hanging their hat on.

Needless to say, humans don't have hot benzene coursing through their veins.”

Tuned IN replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 21:52:44

“Hmpf... You still haven't read the CDC FDA Pharma workshop symposium at Simpsonwood that I linked ...several times...

Please link to your resources, I am more than happy to read them.

It was actually Dr. Boyd Hailey (one of the world's authorities on mercury toxcity) that revealed the binding to testosterone versus estrogen. It is Dr. Paul Offit (co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine) that challenges and mocks this assertion.”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 20:51:06 in Living

“Nothing ad hominem about that. RuWii analysis was spot on.”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:37:56 in Living

“That's true. Anti-vaxers constantly misrepresent how chemicals enter the body. Formaldehyde, BTW, cross-links with proteins in the muscle before reaching the bloodstream.

Indy69, what are your sources?”

Independent1969 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 13:53:12

“Sources which show there is a difference between injecting something vs. ingesting it? Do you believe there's no difference?”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:31:19 in Living

“"The old saying about polio: It's the rich childrens disease."

There's some truth in this. Polio came roaring back, starting in the 1930s, as public sanitation improved. It peaked in 1952 with 58,000 cases. The vaccine was introduced in 1955. In 1960 there were about 3,000 cases. In 1965 less than 100. In 1970 just 33 cases.”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:24:20 in Living

“"Why do vaccines get a free pass when the only available information on safety-though its anecdotal-indicates possible SERIOUS harm?"

What makes you think Gardasil wasn't safety tested before it went to market? The vaccine doesn't even contain a virus, living or dead. You're playing fast and loose with the truth, just like Maher was when he said polio had declined by 50% in the 30 years before the vaccine was introduced. Where do anti-vaxers get this from?”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:19:49 in Living

“"This just doesnt happen to a healthy teenager!!

Why not? Have you studied the mortality rates for teenage girls? They also die of heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary diseases, diabetes, etc. And they get sick, too. Maybe not in the same numbers as older folks, but it happens.”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:17:28 in Living

“What do you mean by substantial? Are the risks of vaccines worse than the risks of the diseases they prevent?”

ddanimal replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 14:04:53

“Possibly for some vaccines. But the science is not good enough to give a clear answer in many cases.

Hep B vaccine for newborn infants comes to mind as an excessively risky and unnecessary vaccine. I suspect the flu vaccine is another example. The new HPV vaccine gardasil definitely seems suspect as well.

For polio or tetanus or measles, well I would say that the vaccine is the obvious choice.

I just dont think its as simple as the pro-vaccine crowd says it is: "get every available vaccine as soon as possible". I think thats unscientific and irresponsible.”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:13:25 in Living

“I've read worse.”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 13:03:02 in Living

“It sounds as though you have already made up your mind, and that no amount of contradictory evidence will change things. Is that a fair statement?”

Tuned IN replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 13:56:01

http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf

I am reading from the CDC hosted Simpsonwood workshop and what the invited Dr. finding were:

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: “I think it’s clear to me anyway that we are talking about a problem that is probably more related to bolus acute exposures, and we also need to know that the migration problems and some of the other developmental problems in the central nervous system go on for quite a period after birth. But from all of the other studies of toxic substances, the earlier you work with the central nervous system, the more likely you are to run into a sensitive period for one of these effects, so that moving from one month or one day of birth to six months of birth changes enormously the potential for toxicity. There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem. The earlier we go, the more serious the problem.”

“The second point I could make is that in relationship to aluminum, being a nephrologist for a long time, the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Take the time to read this and you may find your evidence contradicted by the vary people who formed your beliefs. At least enough to question.”

Tuned IN replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 13:45:10

“You tell me?

http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf

Dr. Brent, pg. 229: "The medical/legal findings in this study, causal or not, are horrendous and therefore, it is important that the suggested epidemiological, pharmacokinetic, and animal studies be performed. If an allegation was made that a child's neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find junk scientist who would support the claim with "a reasonable degree of certainty". But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned.­"”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 09:04:27 in Living

“Vaccines do not work 100% of the time. Some vaccines are very effective (95-98%), some less so. If you took the time to inform yourself about vaccines before commenting, you would have known this.”

AutismNewsBeat replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 13:03:02

“It sounds as though you have already made up your mind, and that no amount of contradictory evidence will change things. Is that a fair statement?”

Tuned IN replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 12:20:16

“I have studied this since 1987 when my daughter had a "coincidental" seizure 3 hours after vaccinating and remained hospitalized in a catatonic state for 2 days. She is ADHD and Bi-Polar I. We could argue which came first the chicken or the egg. I doesn't matter to me. I will take the chance that my daughters will survive all of the treatable diseases that we vaccinate against, rather than risk the potential life-long side-effects of a known nuerotoxin.

YOU need to expand your study materials:

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:59:34 in Living

“A CDC spot check in Jan., 2002, found less than 2 percent of scheduled pediatric vaccines on clinic shelves contained thimerosal. That means that most of today's 3-5 year olds have never had a TCV.

Lori, can you cite any evidence that today's 3-5 year old have less autism than kids born in the 1990s?”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:56:14 in Living

“Aluminum is the most abundant metal on the planet - it's in everything we eat and drink. An infant is exposed to aluminum from breast feeding in quantities far greater than are found in vaccines. There is even evidence that aluminum is essential for human growth and development.”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:49:43 in Living

“It's a myth that only immune compromised children suffer serious side effect of varicella.”

ChildHealthSafety replied on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:01:49

“Nonsense. Chickenpox is a notoriously mild disease. Its in all the medical text books - that is those published before the drug industry started pushing vaccines for profit.”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:47:08 in Living

“The number of boy bands also exploded in the 1990s - the same time that chronic disease purportedly rose. Coincidence? I think it's worth debating.

/ snark”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:45:22 in Living

“Given that the prevalence of GBS is normally about 1:100,000, it can be expected that some cases would be reported "after" administration of H1N1.”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:42:07 in Living

“Anybody can file a VAERS report. One guy reported that a vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk. If you do a search, you'll find that report. It's still there.”

ChildHealthSafety replied on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:11:47

“Don't believe you. Citation?

Glad to see you don't believe children suffer adverse reactions from vaccines or that the reactions are ignored and under reported by 99%.

And if your claimed "Hulk" report were ever filed, one comedian does not invalidate thousands of genuine reports on an official system created for the express purpose of filing genuine reports.

You don't seem to have much of a point.”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:40:40 in Living

“Haven't you heard of the Null Hypothesis? ; -)”

ray01 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 10:53:59

“Your point is...?”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:38:41 in Living

“Mommy, you rock!”
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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having

Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:37:00 in Living

“The 1960s era small pox vaccine alone contained more antigens than the entire pediatric schedule does today.”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:35:15 in Living

“Ray, are you suggesting that H1N1 vaccine shortage is a fabrication? Do you have any actual evidence for such an astounding claim?”

ray01 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 10:17:01

“pt 2

Based on incomplete and scantly data, the WHO nonetheless predicts with authority that: "as many as 2 billion people could become infected over the next two years — nearly one-third of the world population­." (World Health Organization as reported by the Western media, July 2009).

The statements of the WHO are notoriously contradictory. While creating an atmosphere of fear and insecurity, pointing to am impending global public health crisis, the WHO has also acknowledged that the underlying symptoms are moderate and that "most people will recover from swine flu within a week, just as they would from seasonal forms of influenza" (WHO statement, quoted in the Independent, August 22, 2009).

Reports from Britain by prominent physicians (to the author) suggest that doctors and epidemiologists in the UK are being threatened. They risk being fired by the National Health authorities if they speak out and reveal the falsehoods underlying the data as well as government statements.

It is essential that physicians, epidemiologists and health workers speak out through their respective associations and refute the statements of government health officials who are tacitly acting on behalf of Big Pharma, as well as denounce the manipulation of the data. It is also important to warn the public on the dangers of untested H1N1 flu vaccines.

What we are dealing with is a big lie. A process of generating fake data which is then used to justify a nationwide vaccination program.”

ray01 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 10:05:20

“Autism

pt 1

The H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating the Data to Justify a Worldwide Public Health Emergency


by Michel Chossudovsky

Reliability of the Data



How reliable is this data. Does the data justify a Worldwide public health emergency, including a $40 billion dollar vaccination program which largely favors a handful of pharmaceutical companies? In the US alone, the costs of H1N1 preparedness are of the order of 7.5 billion dollars.( See Flu.gov: Vaccines, Vaccine Allocation and Vaccine Research)

Following the outbreak of the H1N1 swine flu in Mexico, the data collection was at the outset scanty and incomplete, as confirmed by official statements­.(


On the basis of scanty country-level information, the WHO declared a level 4 pandemic on April 27. Two days later, a level 5 Pandemic was announced without corroborating evidence (April 29). A level 6 Pandemic was announced on June 11.

There was no attempt to improve the process of data collection in terms of lab. confirmation. In fact quite the opposite. Following the level 6 Pandemic announcement, both the WHO and the CDC decided that data collection of individual confirmed and probable cases was no longer necessary to ascertain the spread of swine flu. As of July 10, one month after the announcement of the level six pandemic, the WHO discontinued the collection of confirmed cases. It does not require member countries to send in figures pertaining to confirmed or probable cases.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14901
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:33:43 in Living

“Parents who follow Dr. Sears's vaunted schedule have twice the office visits in the first year than if they follow the AAP schedule. Does that mean Sears is promoting a schedule that is all risk, with no known benefit, because he wants to charge for more office visits?”
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Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 08:29:27 in Living

“Research, why haven't autism rates fallen in children born since 2002?”

research replied on Nov 18, 2009 at 02:46:56

“Are you implying that because t thimerosal has been mostly phased out since 2000?

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228

"Much progress has been made to date in removing or reducing thimerosal in vaccines. New pediatric formulations of hepatitis B vaccines have been licensed by the FDA, Recombivax-HB (Merck, thimerosal free) in August 1999 and Engerix-B (Glaxo SmithKline, thimerosal free) in January 2007. In March 2001 the FDA approved a second DTaP vaccine formulated without thimerosal as a preservative (Aventis Pasteur's Tripedia, trace thimerosal). Aventis Pasteur, Ltd was also approved to manufacture a thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine, Daptacel, in 2002."”

research replied on Nov 18, 2009 at 02:07:23

“I don't have a side in the "vaccines cause autism fight" yet.

I do know that I am totally against adding mercury to anything ingested by humans, as it is indisputably one of the most poisonous substances around.

The Contact lens solutions used to use thermasol and now they don't.

MOST vaccines no longer use thermasol so why do ANY of the use it?

We not supposed to eat more than 1 3 oz of swordfish per day, so why are we adding it to anything else?”
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