“I find that the Party Insiders are a bit cocky to think that first HRC would accept the Gov job and second, that the voters of NY will automatically give her the stamp of approval. Taking her electability for granted is what got her well behind Obama in the current race.”
“I heard a rumor today that it will be Gore/Obama or Gore/Clinton and the people in the backrooms will decide who gets what since there will not be a clear winner between HRC/Obama and those two will never run together. Maybe thats what Harry is talking about. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Sounds like something Harry would agree to.”
Farfennugen on Mar 25, 2008 at 21:00:06
“BuckeyeNut - "since there will not be a clear winner between HRC/Obama" Only if I had mud in my eyes shot directly out of Hillary's balloon knot would I not be able to see a clear winner when Obama has more states, delegates and popular vote. How is that not a clear winner.”
SouthCentralDel on Mar 25, 2008 at 19:46:15
“now that's booshoot. No way the people voting for Obama will allow someone else(even one as good as Gore) to be 'coronated' into the Presidential nominee.
Are you high?”
biglover on Mar 25, 2008 at 19:40:08
“BuckeyeNut. You can be sure that was a rumor and nothing but.”
HepsibahStarbuck on Mar 25, 2008 at 19:29:17
“Please don't tease me like that, Buckeye! I'd vote for either of those tickets...”
Utopiayes on Mar 25, 2008 at 19:26:47
“I heard the same rumor. But I'll tell you, if they try to pull THAT particular nonsense, then we WILL have a terribly split democratic party and the outcome would be disatrous. Why can't the party just support Obama? He is so progressive and would be an excellent president for this country.”
Thomei on Mar 25, 2008 at 19:17:31
“Having Gore as President will NEVER happen - if the powers that be think they can come in last minute and erase the entire campaign they're dreaming! Another great way to split the party...again.”
“The Republications have realized that HRC is a big liability to the Democratic party for years. Why do you think they have been switching to the Democrats in the primaries and voting for her. Its been obvious.”
jeffhas on Mar 23, 2008 at 22:52:28
“I thought Obama was attracting the Republicans... what was ll that hullabaloo about Obamacans?”
“I'm not sure about Richardson. I don't really think he is that well known to the average person outside of the Southwest even though he has been around for awhile. What about Strickland from Ohio? Even though he does not have a whole lot of experience and does have some ties to HRC, he appears to be fairly popular so far and if he can bring Ohio along that is a plus.”
Jaxxon on Mar 23, 2008 at 18:26:19
“I'd think south or more midwest than Ohio. Virginia governor would be ideal.”
“HRC and Obama will never be on the same ticket-get that out of your minds for those who are harboring that dream. I honestly don't even think they like each other or ever did! Obama will take the nomination unless some major miracle occurs. Will HRC support him?? That is a good question. I think she will go thru the motions because she wants to keep her options open for 2012 but secretly she hopes he will make a terrible president and won't do much to actually help him. Whomever he selects as his VP has to have wide appeal and a lot of experience. At the moment, no one person comes to my mind.”
“How patronizing!! Obama elitests like you are another reason why I refuse to vote for him.”
KarenJW on Sep 7, 2008 at 08:49:39
“That "elitist" crap is so ridiculous and the stupid perpetrators of this nonsense are ever so desperate!”
KC333 on Sep 7, 2008 at 06:27:33
“Is Obama an elitist because he went to Harvard Law School to educate himself and become a professor of Constitutional Law, or is McCain an elitist because he owns seven homes and has never had a normal job in his life. He went from the miltary to Congress. McCain knows what it is like to work in a factory, or lose his job, or see his job get shipped across seas? The answer is no. In fact when a person owns seven homes and does not even know how many he owns, shows me he is out of touch with main stream America. Movie stars and musicians have more than 3 homes. How many Americans are struggling to pay for one house when this man has seven. McCain is the elitist, not Obama. I see you have been brainwashed into believing that the next four years will not look like the last eight. When a person voted for Bush 89% of the time on major issues, then I do not trust that he will be any different than the last eight.”
“Good reply and I respect your views. Main reason O scares me is because I do not believe he has America's interest at heart when it comes to our Security. Even with Biden, I think Obama would be too willing to place our Security in the hands of the most worthless organization ever devised-the UN.
About Hil: Yes you are right. She is smart enough not to cut off her nose. I do think she will do just the minimum to pass muster.”
“You incorrectly assume that I am voting for the repubs. I've said many times, I do not agree with them either. What is revealing is your response in the event Obama is defeated. You believe that the only reason he could lose will be because whites are prejudiced. Can't you Obama zealots get it thru your mind that there are plenty of good people who just dont care for Obama and race has nothing to do with it?”
DCinFrance on Sep 6, 2008 at 06:12:44
“So, basically, you are going to be about as much help as she. A vote. Better than nothing, minus the I told you so. Now, I take issue with "good" people that would chose the republican "platform" and a fundamentalist (by the way, "Islamic Terrorists" are fundamentalists as well). "Good" people stand up for what's right, and killing people in the name of God is not righteous. Yet, O makes you feel insecure for your security. How blind can one be?”
alienufo on Sep 6, 2008 at 05:52:33
“well, if you like Hillary but don't like Obama then its either race or personality because they shared the same positions.”
“I've been quiet for a few months but have been reading the posts and watching Dems slowly destroy each other. I correctly predicted 3 months ago that Obama would never select HRC as his running mate. That was his only chance of winning and I think that many here would agree with me. If you think that HRC wants to see Obama win the election you are also naive and mistaken. Come November 4, there will be a big wind coming from NY carrying the "I told you so" message. Obama is just way too progressive for a large number of dems including myself. Frankly he scares me.
HRC in 2012”
Zelbinian on Sep 6, 2008 at 06:05:15
“First, with Hillary, it was virtually guaranteed that half of the country would NEVER consider voting for her. I'm sorry, I don't like those odds.
Second, you can campaign hard against those in your party, but turning on your own - running negative campaign ads against someone in your own party - is not something that ought to be rewarded.
Third, several major print news organizations have shown that there is virtually no daylight between the policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. There are plenty of minor differences in implementation, sure. But that does not make Obama significantly more progressive than Hillary, necessarily. I agree that he is more progressive, but not by the measure you seem to indicate.
Fourth . . . wtf does it mean to be too progressive, anyway? Green energy; Energy Independence; Affordable College; Affordable Healthcare for all; Sensible plans about Iraq; Equal opportunities for all, including gays, lesbians, women, latinos, blacks, etc; . . . what is it about these ideas that is so scary, if I may ask?”
demandfortruth on Sep 6, 2008 at 05:51:39
“this country is so far right of center, that you need a president as "progressive" as obama to get us back to equilibrium.
and frankly he's not progressive enough in my opinion. but he's by far the best candidate we have. and yes, it is your best interest to vote for him.”
deb123 on Sep 6, 2008 at 05:41:32
“I've been waiting for this point of view to be expressed -- and honestly understand it. I do disagree that HC wants Obama to lose, however. As political as HC is and as angry or disappointed as she may be, she has more than an election at stake. She has her standing in the Senate and the Dem Party to consider. She's smart enough to not cut off her nose to spite her face. As for your fear of Obama, I find it difficult to understand how a HC supporter could "fear" Obama. Their platforms and directions for taking the country are basically the same. We had two exceptional candidates for the Dem Party and one had to win and one had to lose. The good news is, the Dems have a vision to move the country forward and the Repubs don't. If you don't like Obama, so be it. Hold your nose and vote Democrat. It's in your own best interest.”
Mogamboguru on Sep 6, 2008 at 05:36:39
“Hey, here comes the last PUMA standing!
But, besides this, you are wrong. The DNC has come to terms with O.ba.ma as their best-imaginable presidential candidate EVER, and with the Clin.tons as "elder states(wo)men" - which goes vice versa, too; if only for the fact that, the Clintons are still 20 millions deep in debt after Hill's devastatingly poorly managed campaign and need the help of O.ba.ma and the DNC for their relief.”
Jessegirl on Sep 6, 2008 at 05:32:02
“Can you explain "too progressive" and provide a couple examples?
I don't know what you mean.”
Phenomenal1 on Sep 6, 2008 at 05:31:46
“The rational black guy scares you but you're fine with a gun touting, pro-life, power-abusing, creationist book-banner who thinks God will tell her what to do in Iraq if she prays hard enough? Didn't you just have a president who took that same approach?
"HRC in 2012"
Should probably be changed to "Someone white forever"”
“This is a very good post and I enjoyed reading it. Where I disagree with you is that I believe that the Democratic party that I have been a member of for approximately 50 years has been hijacked by the far left and most progressive members. I applaud your
remarks about corporate greed. I do feel that you, as a business owner, will soon feel some pain about your new taxes, entitlements to employees, and a general loss of business due to other business owners having to let people go. Myself, I am going to retire so that I will not have to pay more and more taxes to a party that will just give it away. Obama will never get my vote and neither will McCain. Both of them have way too many faults. Libertarian looking better all of the time or even Nader.”
missjabez on Jun 1, 2008 at 07:50:12
“Very well said and I respect your opinion.”
Thabit on Jun 1, 2008 at 07:24:53
“When a position or idea in a party gains more supporters , how is this hijacking , are you saying that the only party you feel comfortable in has no room to change with the times and situation? I'm 53 and a Nam Vet so i remember a different america from the one i live in now (and i miss it) i have not felt comfortable with policys of our government for 28 years . This country has been going down the tubes since Regans first term. Obama is the first politician that i have seen in 30 years that that is talking about the America i fought to live in”
“Too all of those that want Bush impeached. There are a lot of good comments but only a few have it correct. First-it will never happen! Kucinich, Conyers, etc. are nut cases. I'm from Ohio and I know that the first time someone runs against Denis, they can have it-he is way out there somewhere. Once elected Obama will grant Bush and gang executive clemency for any or all crimes they may have committed. This has been going on for years and will continue. All of them know they have to cover their own butts and to do that, they protect each other. I've said it over and over-get rid of all of them. Power corrupts. I guarentee the DNC will be renting out Abe's bedroom again. Wanna bet on how long before Obama is no longer "pure" My bet is that Obama will loose his purity 5 minutes after taking oath. Thats how long before he starts doing paybacks for all of those who got him elected.”
lobear00 on May 18, 2008 at 10:50:47
“You make a good "Mindreader, and one would think "maybe "you have god" written across your forehead.”
“What a double standard most of you have here. Had that been McCain that had said that, I guarentee the comments would of been 'dirty old man" kind of thing. Obama should of apoligized immediately. It is unprofessional-especially for a person in his shoes. Had I been that female reporter, I would have said "I am not your sweetie" I do say that when I go to a restaurant and will not give any waitress a tip if she calls me sweetie. Quit making excuses for him. The man needs to control his "words" which he so highly values.”
Thabit on May 14, 2008 at 18:01:56
“You mean like Hillary apologyzes for being racist and a republican in a Democratic Primary
Tell you what hold your breath till one apologizes and vote for the one that lets you breathe first”
bygollymissmolly on May 14, 2008 at 18:01:53
“No, if McCain had said it to someone I would have thought it was as inconsequential as I think Obama saying it is.
My boss calls me "dear" all the time. He even calls the guys I work with "dear" on occasion. Does it mean anything? No, it doesn't.”
momofsix on May 14, 2008 at 18:01:53
“If McCain had said it , it would have started with a C.”
seenitall on May 14, 2008 at 17:59:41
“try some yoga...breathe slowly and deeply”
barrista on May 14, 2008 at 17:57:14
“Um if McCain had said it, noone would bat an eye, because noone woudl have even heard of it. But we do have pro-hillary supporters (i.e Ben Smith via Politico) making a big deal of it, trying to find anything to attach to Obama.
The reporter was annoying, and the word was only amplified because she made a big deal of it in her sign-off.
“Guess I will join the fray: The DNC and old core Demos have stabbed HRC in the back. She has given her all for the Democratic party for 30 years-even staying with slick so as not to make that whole situation even worse then what it was. She has every right to be peed at all of them and not make their life easier. Hate to bust the bubble here but Obama will not win the GE without HRC. I don't believe Michelle will let her be his VP so it's over. In 2012 HRC will be where she wants to be. I've said this over and over. The great messiah has too much baggage to get elected. BTW-I still expect the October bomb from Obama-just don't know if the repubs or HRC will release it.”
ImmanuelGoldstein on May 14, 2008 at 05:54:28
“Dude face facts, the Dems could run 2 dead fish and beat the Republicans this year.”
abby4ever on May 14, 2008 at 03:45:20
“Do you always take Novak's fantasies as gospel?”
doonie on May 14, 2008 at 03:03:15
“1. It'll be HRC as it has been reported from numerous news sources that her staff are searching fiendishly for something to hang on Obama and I suspect it can easily be something created, a show of their desperation.
2. Who do you know that would stay with a philandering husband like slick Billy? I'm female, and I don't know of anyone unless they had an agenda......know what I mean?
3. Senator Obama does not need HRC to win the nod. there are far more experienced and suitable candidates for that role, Ed Rendell, Webb and Richardson are just a few that have been mentioned n. Also Joe Biden who I like. So, nope she's not needed.
He's not the great messiah....that sounds disrespectful. He's just a man, with a vision, one of change and restored order in Washington. And Hillary has given herself 30 years, it was her husband that was President, not her.”
bikemessenger on May 14, 2008 at 03:00:03
“You think that the Clintons don't have baggage? ! Check out Bob Herbert's recent columns. The Clintons have more baggage than the Titanic did when it went down.”
“Novak is a scumbag who I wouldn't trust for anything, however, I believe this story may be possible. I do not think that Michelle would want Hill around for any reason. I also still do not think that HRC would take the VP slot if offered. The only way these two are going to get together is if the powers that be in the DNC order it.”
lizr on May 11, 2008 at 19:27:37
“Even if it's correct, it was leaked as slime to negatively affect Obama.
We need to get smart about considering the Source.
Novak is rt up there w Cheney and Rove in the running for Prince of Darkness.
They are the Macbeth Witches in Drag.”
Aleka4 on May 11, 2008 at 19:21:47
“Goodness, it is just an overstatement of the obvious if you ask me. Of course Michelee would dislike Clinton - How would you feel about someone who attacked -your- spouse the way Clinton has gone after Obama? Nothing to do with politics but i should think it obvious that Michelle would loathe Clinton for her low racist tactics. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figrue that.
But! That doesn't mean she has any say in the VP. It is not her choice and I think it misleading to try to present her as making choices FOR Obama - it makes him look weak, which is, I am sure, the point of this article.
As someone else pointed out - he doesnt need her to tell him not to pick her.”
“I don't like her for several reasons. The latest is when she said that people with two pieces of the pie are going to have to give one of them up. I've worked 55 years for my very modest 2 pieces and I'll be damm if I am just going to give one of them up while I am sure Michelle will keep her whole pie to herself.”
koromuso on May 11, 2008 at 18:59:36
If your two pieces of the pie are "very modest", then Michelle Obama isn't talking about you. She;s talking about the CEOs of companies that destroy their firms and then walk away with $65 million dollar bonuses. She's not talking about people who work hard for 55 years and have a home and maybe even a boat and a couple of cars. She's talking about people who have multiple homes in New York and California and the Cote d'Azur and maybe a condo in Rio as well.
THOSE people are robbing folks like you and me blind; they are destroying the wealth of this country. Michelle Obama isn't attacking the middle class. She's going after the robber barons.”
“Yea-those are all open for debate. Only thing I would disagree with is the Old Fart! Guess you can't help yourself.
Unlike JJ, I don't care if you take this pesonal or not. I'm older then you. It's known that I do not support Obama for many reasons but I would never vote repub. Since HRC is out, I will have to hold my nose and hope for the best.”
“I'm a Vietnam Vet also and while I disagree with most of McCains positions, his service is unquestionable. It is well documented that he could of left Vietnam early because of his wounds but he didn't until the last of the men were out. Personally, I'm sick and tired of the age and diaper "jokes" One last thought: I bet you loved Kerry-the phoney who faked tossing his medals away and called vets a lot of baby killers before congress. Too bad the VC couldn't of captured you.”
ejay579 on May 11, 2008 at 07:21:34
“While jokes about age sometimes go over the top, age is a valid consideration. Many infirmities incident to age impact on the ability to do the job, particularly those of the mental variety. You exhibit a double standard on the veteran issue. Kerry's service was belittled because of what he did after he came home. Not being satisfied with looking at Kerry's post war activities, the chicken hawks had to belittle his service. McShame belongs to the party which did this and now the chickens are coming home to roost. And, by the way, I am a Vietnam vet as well. I would recommend two movies to you
"No Country For Old Men" and the original "Manchurian Candidate".”
“With the joking of age discrimination I see in here and what am sure is going to come before November, McCain ought to grab all of the 60 and over crowd. One thing about those old folks (I'm one of them), they turn out to vote and don't piss them off. My best advice is for Bamas campaign to lay off of the senile ads. They aren't gonna go down well with seniors.”
steve12 on May 11, 2008 at 13:13:08
“A lot of older Americans recognize in themselves that they aren't so spritely as they were years before. Also, Obama has taken some positions on taxes that should show great appeal to older Americans. I don't think there's any senior block for McCain.
Obama is not going to resort to cheap shots on McCain's age. He's got the late night comedians to do that for him.”
CocteausTwin on May 11, 2008 at 08:33:43
“Hey if one really cannot laugh at themselves, can you really claim you have a sense of humor?
Have you seen any senile ads? I didn't think so and you will not. People can judge for themselves if they think it is a problems. Old age and senility are not synonymous!!”
focher on May 11, 2008 at 05:23:09
“Two things. First, making jokes (even when some consider them inappropriate) can be construed as exactly that - making jokes. Second, reading someone's post on a blog should never - and I really do mean never - be attributed to a candidate.”