“I've often wonder that as well. In my state of SC, the Governor and members of her administration tried to defend her voter ID law by saying that over 950 dead people had been voting in SC. When the DOJ questioned the SC Election Commission they told the truth and in effect said their bosses were lying.
The fact that my elected officials have been lying to me is a severe breach of trust. However, those who support the voter ID law for other ideological reasons, still support the Governor for trying. They get angry at whoever catches and publicizes the lie. I guess they think that all is fair in love and war? Most times they blame liberal media bias. Their own ideological agenda trumps everything else so the ends always justify the means.”
“As much as the First Lady and the President's mother has been deeply insulted by the tacky element in the GOP, I do not believe I've ever heard the President ask for an apology. I'm sure they have to feel that the remarks or jokes were in very poor taste, but they have decided to rise above it. This is a sign of a secure, intelligent person.
I'm not saying that the entire party is tacky but there is probably an element in both parties that could stand some maturation.”
“It is startling to see a professing Christian defend the use of the language that Rush used. If Rush had become angry and had let a colorful word slip, it wouldn't have gotten the coverage that it has. An apology would have been sufficient. Even after some initial feedback on the first day, he went after this well spoken, professional woman for three days! But the issue the bothers me most is that his account of her testimony was a complete fabrication. He then went on to give his opinion on the false testimony. So Mr. Buchanan is defending the lie and the language. Biblically, Mr. Buchanan doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Actually the creepiest thing about Rush's diatribe was after condeming Ms. Fluke as a "loose woman" for defending the medical use of contraception he then wanted to watch her private life on the internet. This double standard is astonishing!”
randalusa on Jul 20, 2013 at 13:04:48
“You don't even know what it means to be a warrior for God (a true Christian). So being startled by a comment made by one is kind of leaping the gate.”
“States are going to be allowed to opt out of the National Plan if they show that their plan will cover a similar amount of the population and that the plan provides for basic health care. The regulations defining an insurance plan that offers basic health care is still being written. That's why it came up. Twenty-eight states already have similar regulations and the Catholic affiliated institutions have complied without complaint. Eight of those states are more stringent and require Churches to provide contraceptive coverage as basic healthcare.
Simply using the argument that this violates their religious beliefs opens the door for the more obscure religious beliefs of some denominations. How much should the religious beliefs of some be allowed to effect the lives of others?
In this country, churches can proclaim their message using most any media in order to convert others to their position. Considering that 98% of all Catholic women have used some form of birth control, one could deduce that the church is losing this argument. Are they trying to get the government to enforce this for them? In this country, we are free to reject or accept a particular religious belief. The Bible is a big advocate of free will as well.”
“After reading this article I had to double check that I hadn't accidently stumbled into the Comedy section of Huff Po. Seriously?
The appropriate discussion is how far should the religious beliefs of some be able to effect others? Several years ago, I read of a child who needed to be given blood. His parents refused the treatment as it was against their religious beliefs. Should the parents be allowed to make this life and death choice for their child especially when the treatment would allow for a full recovery. What if the child could speak for his self?
I can speak for myself. I do not require another adult to make health or moral choices for me. I'm astounded by the size of the ego of someone who would presume to do so.”
“Youngtown would be an interesting case study. With so many services privatized, I'd like to see an overall cost comparison to living there versus places in which the local municipality performs those services. Much of the property taxes assessed in my County are used to fund the school system. Possibly, the original retirees who formed the Youngtown were trying to avoid supporting a school system when they no longer had children in the system. I don't agree with that reasoning but I have heard people ask why should they have to support the school when they no longer have children enrolled.
In my state as well as others, over a period of time, property taxes have been lowered while sales tax was increased to cover the shortfall. It is a politically popular move with likely voters. However, sales tax collection is much more volatile than property taxes even with the recent real estate price bubble and subsequent correction. The budget difficulties many municipalities found themselves in during the Great Recession was more about a sharp decline in revenue and not about an increase in spending.”
“At least we are agreeing on the approximately 400,000 deportations. In a previous post, I mentioned that this administrration wasn't using work place raids as the previous one did but is relying more heavily on auditing companies in industries that tend to use illegal immigrants. I'm a CPA and have auditing experience. It is common to change methods and processes as people get used to a particular approach and may learn to get around it. It seems to have been effective. I really like the idea of fining the companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Logically, saying that this administration is looking the other way when it's doing at least as well as the previous administration just doesn't make sense. But Arpaio is what started this conversation. Again, mainly due to my profession I've reviewed the misuse of funds and how it was done. I've read the accounts of the severe physical abuse sometimes leading to deaths in his jails. It was difficult to make it through one account. The initial investigation began in mid 2008 but it has led to revealed so much that it has continued this long. This guy is bad news. For me it has nothing to do with immigration. He's hurting the cause rather than helping it. ”
“The PBS source agrees with the figures that I mentioned. I said that a little under 400,000 were deported and it says that 396,906 in 2011 and over 392,000 in 2010 were deported. It mentions that 2011 was a record year. It also mentions that there has been an 89% increase in criminals deported since 2008. Again, the my general point is that this administration is continuing to move forward on this issue. There is no policy to ignore it. If there had been a dramatic, unexplained decrease I would agree with you. ”
LJ P on May 13, 2012 at 10:41:40
“Key word being criminals deported. Defined by the administration as those who commit crimes in the US not related to immigration. ALL illegal immigrants are in reality criminals. At present rates it will take 30 to 40 years to deport all of these. That is not progress. There are 12 to 15 million of them. They are not making progress. Work-site inspections have been virtually abandoned, states that try to
enforce federal immigration laws are punished, and illegal immigrants
are given the right to apply for work authorization in 90 percent of
cases. Throughout the three years of his administration, Obama has waived
applying several of our immigration rules and has refused to enforce
other immigration laws. workplace enforcement efforts have fallen by 70 percent in the three years Obama has been in office. Deportation
of only "criminals" (ones who commit crimes other than those related to working here and illegally crossing our border) "amounts to a back-door way of granting amnesty
to other people who are living in the U.S. illegally but haven't
committed crimes. This is smoke and mirrors. Even if we deported a million a year, it would take 12-15 years to get all these jobs back and stop the drain on our economy in so many ways. It is game playing, nothing more. ”
“They died because they were beaten to death by the Sheriffs officer. They weren't quick beatings or quick deaths. There were many witnesses. One account mentioned over 30. Arpaio created and encouraged a violent, bullying culture. Yes people die in society as well as in jail. But if they die because someone murders them, the murderer should be held accountable. ”
“There have been civil suits that have led to large multi million dollar settlements. The Norberg and Angster suits come to mind but there were others. These large settlements and large number of complaints have not endeared him to the Mayor, Board of Supervisors or other Count Officials. Maybe our differences are due to vocabulary but Judge John Leonardo found that he had misused the power of his office in February 2010. The misuse of funds allegations were after a review by the Maricopa County Office of Management and Budget. I hadn't read anything about Arpaio in a while but because of our conversation I did a review last night in order to not misstate. When I was following the Arpaio case more close it seemed the best source of news were Arizon papers especially the Phoenix New Times.”
LJ P on May 12, 2012 at 18:04:43
“Both suits you cite were suits brought the families of people who died int eh jail. This happens in all jails whenever there is death. This is not unique. Settlements happen to save the county money. They are not admissions of guilt.
However, the point is that the Federal investigations have resulted in no suits or criminal charges. A consent decree is not a finding of guilt from a trial. IT is judicial review by a judge (a liberal one who supports open borders in this case) whcih is unilateral without defense or jury. The Arizona papers are my sources too. IT seemd the knowledge you are missing is in the subtleties of the law. The feds have been trying for years to get evidence on him and have to date gotten nothing from all their expense.”
“Where are you getting your figures? It's not what I see anywhere read. I'd like to read what you're seeing. I've even seen discussions on whether it will hurt Obama's re election efforts with the hispanic population. ”
LJ P on May 12, 2012 at 18:33:50
“I will have to go back in my history to find the reference, but here is some reading for you in the mean time. I will get back to you with the reference.
“Deportations for 2009 were 5% higher than 2008. It was considered a record number and an Immigration expert at Princeton said we have never deported as many as we now. Deportation for 2010 were a little under 400,000.
My point is that if this administration deportations were much lower the the previous then we may have grounds for complaint but they are actually a better. Thanks to the the great recession of 2008, less illegal aliens are trying to immigrate. For example, if we had no illegal aliens left then our annual deportations would be zero which would be a decline from the prior year. That decline would not mean that we are falling down on the job. I heard a very recent report that it actually may be a negative flow. That would have to mean that a greater percentage are being deported as opposed to the time period of the housing bubble.
I'm not implying that we can now ignore illegal immigration but we are improving and moving in the right direction.”
LJ P on May 12, 2012 at 07:26:41
“Your numbers are wrong, I gave you the real numbers, there was only a 1% change in the last year and less than 10% over 3 years. Bush had a 150% increase over 8 years. Many of the deportation i the first two years of Obamas administration were due to deportations started in the bush years which take 12 to 18 months. The number of new deportation is down dramatically. The number of dismissed cases of non criminals is down dramatically You can't claim that this is because the inflow of new illegals is down. There are 13 to 15 million illegals still in this country!!! at this rate it will take over 40 years to get rid of them all. The fed should be looking for all the help they can get, no suing states who want to help them free of charge. The Obama plan is to ignore and mask the problem.”
“A federal grand jury began an inquiry for abuse of power in 2008. He targeted his political opponents like the Mayor, County Managers and Supervisors and accused them of bogus criminal activity. In 2010 a judge ruled that he had abused the power of his office. A federal grand jury has been investigating criminal abuse of power since 2009. ”
LJ P on May 12, 2012 at 07:36:29
“Listen, I have read all the news reports. The point you seem to miss in all of this is that THERE HAVE BEEN NO CRIMINAL OF CIVIL CHARGES BROUGHT YET. In all of these investigations, probes, decisions, rulings, Findings, and grand juries there has not been one criminal or civil action taken. how can this be? They didn't waste any time going after the state for 1070. Why are they waiting to file charges against Arpaio? Could it be they don't have sufficient proof of anything serious?
By the way the 2010 event you mention was not a finding, is was a "notice of
claim against Sheriff Joe Arpaio and other Maricopa County officials
over an alleged abuse of power" All the suits were dismissed.”
“The most egregious allegations made against Arpaio and Maricopa jails were not made by Hispanics. Many non Hispanics have died in his jail at the hands of his employees. Arpaio is not in charge of the long term prisons, His manages County jails so most the people in his jails have not been charged or brought before a judge. A Phoenix newspaper has reported on the details of these deaths and it's chilling.
The victims of the criminal abuse of power charges are not Hispanic.
The misuse of over $100M in funds under his trust had nothing to due with Hispanics. He kept a separate set of books different from the official records kept by Human Resources.
Arpaio is using immigration to gather people to his defense as it's such a contentious topic but abuse of possible illegal aliens is only one issue. But on that topic, deporting illegal aliens is appropriate for the correct authority but its not okay to beat them up first.”
BeasTT on May 13, 2012 at 00:55:47
“People die in jail, people also die in society too.
“The investigations began in mid 2008. Also a Federal Judge ruled that Maricopa County had violated civil rights in 2008.”
LJ P on May 11, 2012 at 22:53:06
“That was a consent decree dating from 2001 actually. This judge has been trying to enforce since then. In 2008 and 2010 he tried to enforce it again, but had no authority. You can be sure it will be brought up again if this lawsuit gets filed. I doubt it will though once the SCOTUS finds for 1070. There are no criminal charges, and civil charges yet. only accusations, findings, and condemnations. Sounds more like harassment. I can't wait to see the governments evidence. Their complaints to date were moldy bread, not enough mental health providers. A shortage of sinks and soap. Nothing here sounds too drastic or endemic. The consent decree you refer to is only in his pre trial holding areas as I understand it. All this and pink underwear too! sounds like the right track to me.”
“The DOJ investigation began in June 2008. A federal judge ruled that Maricopa jails violated civil rights was in 2008. The Arpaio investigation began well before this administration took office.
I read the quote below in the Washington Post a while ago.
"The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.
But while previous administrations have relied on workplace raids, Obama has moved away from that tactic, instead auditing companies that hire illegals and assessing $6.4 million in fines. He has also tried to target immigrants with criminal backgrounds for deportation, skipping over those who are caring for children or the elderly:
Nearly 50 percent of the people who have been deported from the United States this budget year have a criminal conviction, from driving without a license and DUI to major felonies, ICE's Morton said. That represents an increase of more than 36,000 over the same period in 2009, which showed a rise of 22,000 over 2008. "Occasionally, you will hear criticism that our criminal alien efforts are focused around people with cracked tailpipes and speeding tickets. That's simply false," Morton said."
There are other issues that you can justifiably complain regarding this administration but ignoring illegal immigration is not one of them.”
LJ P on May 11, 2012 at 22:35:53
“What year was a while ago. I looked it up. IT is july 26, 2010. That is old and the numbers were wrong. He never achieved those numbers. The number I quoted were from the DOJ themselves reported in 2012.for 2011. Thus since these numbers were never achieved this would be a lie. Since the article was a lie and was old news it is disingenuous to report it.”
“I agree that he has the right to express his opinion but not to make up his own facts. He presents information as if it is akin to a news program then goes on to express his opinion on his made up facts.
It is past time that we have some truth in media laws. Other countries manage to have this without infringing on free speech. Professionals are held to a higher standard in their own field. Programs that represent themselves as news should be held to a higher standard. Even "opinion" shows which are available on the right and the left, should state facts clearly before launching into their opinion.
By reading other posts, it is obvious that many of his listeners believe that Ms. Fluke actually said that she was having so much sex that she couldn't afford her contraception. Just the nature of how contraception works should have clued them in. Making up the facts in this manner, inflames his listeners, making it near impossible to have a reasonable conversation. Sometimes I think his listeners want to be inflamed and thrive on the adrenalin.”