“it doesn't surprise me because today on fb there was a posting of a walmart man wearing a hat that had two huge female breast on top of it - this was supposed to be in support of breast cancer awareness. he had a slight smirk on his face. i found this distasteful - nothing funny or amusing or relevant to such a horrible disease. this is nothing more than a porn hat. if i had breast cancer and saw this 'hat' trivializing my cancer, i would cry. this so wrong.
maybe we should 'support' mens' testicular cancer by donning hats with testicles hanging off. vulgar and insulting. sick people out there. what is wrong with walmart.....
children are going to see this. what woman or man in their right minds would accept this. our morals have sunk to an all time low. if anyone out there thinks this is a good thing, they have certainly got their priorities in the wrong place.
my sympathies go out to the woman who had this happen to her. it's a horrible world with live in.”
“Thanks for the very interesting interview. One question: Cas sent Dean back to 1973 where he met young John in the diner. One patron told young John to say hello to his dad for him. So if Henry had disappeared in 1958 why would someone ask John to say 'hello' in 1973? I thoroughly enjoyed Henry. I wish they would have mentioned Grandma Winchester. I don't like Amelia. She turned me off the first time she was introduced insulting Sam for bringing in an injured and talking about Sam like he deliberately hit the animal. She needs therapy. Also, she's supposed to be a widow. Did they bury a corpse or not? Her husband just reappears and all is well? Come on! I like Benny and hope to see him again. I don't trust Naomi. I think she is not what she appears. Cas is not well so why hasn't Naomi healed him? Why didn't Angels know of Henry's secret life? They know or arranged everything involving the Winchesters? I was very happy to get some answers, but I think we have more questions.”
“Rather bad timing - and airing the finale on Christmas night when everyone is usually with their families and NOT thinking of tv shows! I don't understand the mentality. Please do not replace this with another stupid 'reality' show, or cooking show, or God forbid, another Cardassian type thing. Or Honeybooboo - yeah definitely gotta watch that! Or what is it 'Terrors in Tiaras'. Was it for ratings? Maybe it's just a 'con' on us!”
“Seeing is not necessarily believing. We've been fooled before. Has an Eagle ever done this before? Especially with people around? Small animals yes, but this is a pretty large child...so I have trouble believing it. And how fortunate that someone just happened to be filming the bird at that particular time.”
chatnuptime1 on Dec 19, 2012 at 15:08:30
“What chase down food from the sky? Of course. Did the eagle know that was a 20 lb. human ? unlikely. But yes they chase down rabbits and snakes and various other small game animals on the ground in this fashion. They are carnevours after all.”
“#2 Well we will see I suppose as time goes on - this perception thing has me wondering -- did any of this really happen? Or is it going to be like the 'Charlie' episode where we thought we saw one thing and then later they filled it in to see what actually happened.”
“I also do not want to make snap decisions on Benny w/o more info. Although since Cas and Sam will be suspicious of him which is very normal, that alone is an area which Dean will have to decide on himself if he wants to continue his relationship with Benny. After all Sam is his real life blood brother; Cas is as close to that as an Angel can be considering how many times Dean has also forgiven Cas. Benny is a newcomer, a vampire who needed Dean to help him escape from Purgatory. Forming a bond of sorts is normal in a situation like they were in but still w/o Dean, Benny would still be there. I always find things like this odd. God creates Purgatory which only humans can get out of but only creatures' souls are supposed to be in. This was a just in case an accident happened deal? Yet, he didn't supply a way for humans to know about it. Death could enter Hell and retrieve Sam's soul, but he couldn't go to Purgatory to see if Dean was there? Sam said he had no clue which I thought was dumb for a hunter to say. When Dick Roman was killed, he was going to Purgatory, so since we SAW Dean and Cas get sucked into the same area where Dick was just standing, why couldn't Sam even have an inkling they went there if they didn't actually 'die'? He stopped searching? #1”
“Another absurd waste of money - these are intelligent people doing this? I must have been out to lunch for the 'Idiot Project of the year" grant. I think that money would best be spent on the here and now, not the hereafter. There is absolutely no benefit to those who are trying to live in the 'real' world. With inflation, unemployment, droughts, I would believe we could possibly find something else to do with this money. The money should be spent on the living not the dead. I don't care if I see a white light, a tunnel or a vegetable garden. $5 million could power the lights we have, fix the tunnels that need repair and feed lots of people. End this silliness.”
“I thoroughly enjoyed 'Citizen Fang' and I have always liked Benny and I like him even more now! The man has great restraint and self control. Martin was in worse shape than he was in the hospital and should never have been released! He was a walking time bomb! John Gries did an excellent job as Martin in this episode, what a change. Dean faking out Sam, well I think he did that because he knew Sam would try to kill Benny but that also it would keep him safe because he couldn't be sure what Benny might do to Sam.
I'm still not comfortable with 'believing' the Amelia reality. She was rude and harsh to Sam when we first met her with the way she spoke to him, so I instantly didn't like her. Can't believe they even got together. But I do know that if a man is declared dead by the army and they had a body, who did they bury? Maybe Don was 'resurrected' and this is just another manipulation by someone.
I'm not all that accepting Naomi either as the Angel 'new boss'. Everything is slightly 'off' this season. I thinks it's great to keep us off balance too...what is real what is not. Who knows, Sam may have had a breakdown and everything we see is suspect.
A 'Vacation Day' episode would be nice, where the brothers get in tune with each other and talk out everything in a non combatant atmosphere.”
“Left out a comment on what you said about the old characters coming back instead of new ones. That would be great if they could do it in a believable way - I miss Ellen, Jo, Ash, Rufus and Bobby - even annoying Frank who I don't believe is really dead! (I'm in a total minority on that one though!). On Supernatural, anything is possible - it's just depends on how you create that 'possible'.”
“I do agree that the show could use some new characters that aren't going to get killed off. They should be interesting and definitely advance the plot.Bobby as a ghost did work well because he was able to be 'himself' at least for a while. Sorry to see him go. Robert Singer said this season would be like a 'Raiders of the Lost Arc' hunt, involving Kevin and the tablets. Since Crowley took Kevin, I'd say his motives are looking up - possibly wanting to rule the world, Hell and Heaven? I hope they do not linger on another Angel story line because then it's just redundant and 'been there, done that' - I'd say no more trips to Hell either. But there is still some unfinished business out there left over from Eve - her spider children for one. Plus whatever other 'creatures' who are still around. Are the dragon guys still around too? There were two who didn't die. Gotta go - have a good day.”
“Thank you, Restless Thoughts for responding. I appreciate your comments and your reply. I agree that killing off characters just to advance the plot of any show would be 'cheap' but there are reasons which justify doing that. I didn't like Ellen and Jo, Rufus, Bobby etc dying but their deaths are considered part of a 'war' which the show is involved in with its current 'big bad'. The brothers' path since on their 'road' since the series started was killing monsters; the 'family business' and characters were added along the way which did advance the story lines. But with any 'war' there is loss and unfortunately, the way everyone dies in this show is really similar to what might happen if this were 'real' and not a fantasy. I think the deaths of long term characters each had a direct meaning of importance, even if it was sad to see them go. It might have been nice to explore the other characters more, but Eric Kripke wrote the story about two brothers and their relationship with each other, fighting evil as the theme. He was also very meticulous in research and critical of how the scripts. Characters are great companions to the story. Learning more about Bobby, although it was during his 'death' As Dean said 'it ends sad or bloody' so that is the way the story goes. It's about tragedy and hope which is real life. Looking forward to new characters to go down the road.”
RestlessThoughts on Jul 12, 2012 at 06:41:29
“Supernatural could, but hasn't really, changed death from being the end of a character's story. There's nothing after death; no growth, no goals, no struggles, no nothing. The rare times a character came back from death, they were more like props. No plot advancement from death. (An example of what I consider a good continuation is like Beetlejuice or Being Human; big difference between those ghost characters and, say, Hendricksen or Jo ghost; plus they didn't play on viewers' emotions with a teary death scene. Bobby as a ghost was great, because he still had motivation, goals, etc. He was still a fleshed out character even if his story arc ended up pointless.)
And just because that's how the show started/was pitched doesn't mean that's how it has to stay nor how it is now. A lot of fans prefer the newer quote "family don't end with blood", which was also penned by Eric Kripke. I like that one too, it's how I've always viewed the show what with John, Mary & Jess' impacts from day one. I like the show being about family, instead of brotherhood. Supernatural is more than Sam and Dean.
Hah again, I agree with your last bit. More characters would be good. Though I wouldn't protest old characters being brought back instead of new. ;)
Thank you for the discussion. :) Sorry if my points weren't clear.”
RestlessThoughts on Jul 12, 2012 at 06:28:47
“Ugh I'm long winded. This is going to be a two part reply, sorry.
Now wait a sec. You said in your first post we shouldn't expect the show to be like real life. So why now is it great that it's realistic in it's killing of characters?
I didn't call death 'cheap' because it advances plot. That wouldn't be very cheap. I called it 'cheap' because it's used just to try and get an emotional response from viewers (ie make fans cry). The deaths haven't served a purpose besides that (well, gore, and getting rid of troublesome loose ends). I don't think any of the deaths in Supernatural have advanced any plot points whatsoever except Sam and Dean's firsts. Not even Bobby's since nothing came of him being a ghost. Part of the reason that storyline sucked. (Also we learned a lot about Bobby in previous episodes, not just his death scene.)
I don't see the importance of having characters die. Yeah, real people die, yadda yadda. But that's what 'red shirts' and victims of the week are for. Killing off the faceless characters is enough to show there's tragedy in 'war', if that's the point that needs made.
Besides, Sam and Dean aren't supposed to be super hunters; if they (and Garth) can live, other characters should be able to as well. Rufus, John and Bobby living for so long also proves that well enough.”
“I don't think the series should have ended with s.5 as someone previously posted. Dean losing his little brother like that was heartbreaking even though it may have been a great ending it was still disturbing, and Dean ending up with Lisa a character who was NEVER developed enough to warrant that. If you pay attention to the story. Lisa was just another fling of Dean's from 9 years previous when we first met her in s.3 - which was a very cute episode with little Ben. And all Dean wanted to do was 'hook' up with her again as another 'dying wish' before he went to Hell. But realistically, a guy showing up at your door after all those years, seeing that there is a party going and forcing his way in, doesn't sit to well with me. As Death would say 'you have an inflated sense of your importance' LOL Dean never brings her up, but he ends up with her because at the end of s.5 -all of sudden Dean decides he 'wants' to have a family? An idea he never expressed and was actually against if you recall 'Bugs' . When Dean went to Hell he told Sam to keep hunting, not to go 'live a normal life' which was always what Sam wanted, so it just struck me as odd that Dean would drop everything and become a family man with a woman he had a brief 'connection' with 13 years before.”
“You cannot contain the world of the Supernatural with what we as humans perceive as the way something SHOULD be written or not done or should have been done a different way type statement. Real life isn't like that so why should a show based on fantasy be forced to be that way? Killing off characters may be painful, but real life is painful too and you cannot bring those people back like you can in this tv show! I may not agree with some of the things presented in the show, but I ENJOY what is presented to me as a diversion from my own reality. I watch this show to 'escape' into 'their' world - so I guess something is wrong with me??? Over the years they have given us some remarkable and memorable episodes and as long as they keep doing that, I will be happy.
Everything about this show is sculpted with the greatest detail down to the set decorations (the mantel clock in 'Time After Time' - my family had one exactly like that when I was a child among other things I noticed since I grew up in that time) The show is about the relationship of the brothers and their continued journey on their Road. It would be pretty boring if it was always based solely on fighting monsters.”
RestlessThoughts on Jul 11, 2012 at 03:53:07
“Well, the show IS written, made for and watched by humans, so I think you CAN talk about how something should or should not be handled in it by how we humans perceive it. It's not a bad thing to point out perceived flaws in a vain attempt to make the show better, either.
I find killing off characters cheap. It's a cheap way to get an emotional response and it's a terribly lazy ending. Characters don't struggle or grow after they're dead. Again, it's cheap to kill off characters, like for example Hendricksen, instead of dealing with the more complicated mess those characters can cause, like an agent realizing monsters are real. It also does kill hope and stagnate the other characters, as Mo pointed out. The lost potential is what's painful.
I do agree with your last statement. S7 was mostly about fighting monsters and I found it pretty boring. I don't think the show is just about the brother's relationship though. That'd also be boring, unless you threw in some OOCness to shake things up. Plus as Mo pointed out, more characters is a chance for more interesting things, and if we know the characters well already those things will also feel like they matter more.
And yes, the show does do a lot of things right. But some of the more drastic things like killing cool characters can make a bigger impact in enjoyment levels than, say, set decorations. :/
“I agree about the snub to SUPERNATURAL - if the Good Wife had won you can be sure it would have been on tv in full force. The CW doesn't even promote this show like it should. Everyone from Jared and Jensen, the entire crew everyone who has anything to do with this show should be recognized. 'Time constraints' my you know what. They should have cut all those unnecessary comic skit and the singing etc. They had time to do the best 'comedy' network show but not 'drama' come on.They also had time to do the cable shows. This should have been titled 'The Comedy Choice Awards' since that was what it consisted of in my point of view. Could think I tape these awards shows so I can fast forward through all the stupid stuff.”